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United Kingdom30775 Posts
On May 13 2017 00:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2017 00:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 13 2017 00:09 Palmar wrote:
Am I wrong to interpret that df would have been lynched if rayn had simply stayed on df instead of switching to vivax? It would have been a tie but impossible to tell who would get lynched in that situation from a player's perspective, I really thought it was df. Ergo rayn jumped off his own mafia wagon for no reason. Then he says we're dumb for not following him post flip. Then he returns and says he thought df was town. So we're dumb for not following him onto town df. Aka rayn is inconsistent and tilted. Aka mafia. Aka lynch all rayns Actually I'm gonna back off a bit on what I just wrote. Turns out when rayn left the df wagon it was 5 people on damdred and 3 on df. Grack's vote for df came literally at last second. rayn did indeed NOT save df because even if he'd stayed it was 5-3 and would've gone down to 4-4 with damdred getting there first with the Grack switch. so I'm gonna relax a bit about that rayn vote.
This doesn't matter at all because now you're saying that rayn thought he could lynch 0 vote vivax over his scum read df. Vivax, who had not been talked about at all.
What does he berate people for after the lynch? Not lynching df (who he now says was a town read!!). What else does he berate us for? Lynching damdred after not talking about it! Who did he want to lynch after? Vivax after not talking about it!
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On May 13 2017 00:44 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2017 00:36 Palmar wrote:On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1? Btw, this is just you being wrong about me. I am one of the strongest proponents of intelligent sheeping on TL. It's not gonna be me that builds the best case every game. My job is to identify the best case and go with that. The Palmar I know doesn't sheep people Day 1?
Then you just don't know me. It's like one of the things I take pride in.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23686540
But I cba arguing about it, it's not really relevant this game.
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On May 13 2017 00:35 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2017 19:04 Skynx wrote:
How about you give me two reasons why i am scum now without cherrypicking?
I think my initial reasons I posted before peacing out on D1 are pretty good. Didn't really delve much deeper into the stuff you posted afterwards but it looks more confrontational so that looks better at glance.
Then again I don't like that you show up right now and the first thing you want to talk about is yourself. That should be your lowest priority as town, more than 2 days away from a lynch.
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On May 13 2017 00:50 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2017 00:44 LightningStrike wrote:On May 13 2017 00:36 Palmar wrote:On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1? Btw, this is just you being wrong about me. I am one of the strongest proponents of intelligent sheeping on TL. It's not gonna be me that builds the best case every game. My job is to identify the best case and go with that. The Palmar I know doesn't sheep people Day 1? Then you just don't know me. It's like one of the things I take pride in. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23686540But I cba arguing about it, it's not really relevant this game.
I forgot about you sheeping Damdred that game Day 1 probably because that game was years ago. God bless Damdred's case on Eden. Okay point nullified probably likely town for that effort.
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On May 13 2017 00:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2017 00:18 Palmar wrote:On May 13 2017 00:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 13 2017 00:09 Palmar wrote:
Am I wrong to interpret that df would have been lynched if rayn had simply stayed on df instead of switching to vivax? It would have been a tie but impossible to tell who would get lynched in that situation from a player's perspective, I really thought it was df. Ergo rayn jumped off his own mafia wagon for no reason. Then he says we're dumb for not following him post flip. Then he returns and says he thought df was town. So we're dumb for not following him onto town df. Aka rayn is inconsistent and tilted. Aka mafia. Aka lynch all rayns Actually I'm gonna back off a bit on what I just wrote. Turns out when rayn left the df wagon it was 5 people on damdred and 3 on df. Grack's vote for df came literally at last second. rayn did indeed NOT save df because even if he'd stayed it was 5-3 and would've gone down to 4-4 with damdred getting there first with the Grack switch. so I'm gonna relax a bit about that rayn vote. This doesn't matter at all because now you're saying that rayn thought he could lynch 0 vote vivax over his scum read df. Vivax, who had not been talked about at all. What does he berate people for after the lynch? Not lynching df (who he now says was a town read!!). What else does he berate us for? Lynching damdred after not talking about it! Who did he want to lynch after? Vivax after not talking about it! Ok
Note that I'm not 100% convinced and if he keeps trying to lynch me I might just spite lynch him, but that's not the point.
It is reasonable to believe he had no faith in the Damdred lynch.
It is reasonable to believe he did not think he could get the votes for the DF lynch (with only 2 people supporting him)
It is unreasonable of him to think he could get Vivax lynched, but it's technically possible he thought he could get a switch on Vivax
And all the rest can be explained by rayn being an asshole.
My point here is that I've gone from "rayn must be lynched" to "there exists a scenario where he's town, however unlikely".
And you should acknowledge the chance is there too.
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On May 13 2017 00:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2017 00:50 Palmar wrote:On May 13 2017 00:44 LightningStrike wrote:On May 13 2017 00:36 Palmar wrote:On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1? Btw, this is just you being wrong about me. I am one of the strongest proponents of intelligent sheeping on TL. It's not gonna be me that builds the best case every game. My job is to identify the best case and go with that. The Palmar I know doesn't sheep people Day 1? Then you just don't know me. It's like one of the things I take pride in. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23686540But I cba arguing about it, it's not really relevant this game. I forgot about you sheeping Damdred that game Day 1 probably because that game was years ago. God bless Damdred's case on Eden. Okay point nullified probably likely town for that effort.
I've done it often. I sheep good cases when I see them. Plenty of times I've just sheeped a marv case or something.
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Now that you reminded about the stuff from that game I wish Half The Sky was playing in this game to determine HF's alignment a lot easier 
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I am 100% convinced DF is town.
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I am fairly certain LS and Vivax are town too.
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Turkey7150 Posts
On May 13 2017 00:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2017 00:35 Skynx wrote:On May 12 2017 19:04 Skynx wrote:
How about you give me two reasons why i am scum now without cherrypicking? I think my initial reasons I posted before peacing out on D1 are pretty good. Didn't really delve much deeper into the stuff you posted afterwards but it looks more confrontational so that looks better at glance. Then again I don't like that you show up right now and the first thing you want to talk about is yourself. That should be your lowest priority as town, more than 2 days away from a lynch.
It is relevant since you've done nothing of value other than your confident push on me.
If you cannot even stand behind your reasons I'm gona follow rayn and lynch you tomorrow.
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Turkey7150 Posts
On May 13 2017 00:57 Palmar wrote:
I am fairly certain LS and Vivax are town too.
On May 13 2017 00:57 Palmar wrote:
I am 100% convinced DF is town.
Why?
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I think HF and Grack are mafia. I think Skynx or something is the last one.
This all ignores wildcards like Prison Break and fuba that I just haven't paid much attention to.
rayn makes everything harder. I _think_ he sounds like a townie, but his play at the end of the day followed by the ridiculously out of touch berating of town after the flip is sooo bad. Like what he did last night is high on there on the scale of worst plays I've seen, ever.
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throw in TW and sl (because I forgot them in the moment) as people that are wildcards too.
maybe skynx should be in that group too, of people I just haven't spent any time on.
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United Kingdom30775 Posts
If anything i do like palmar for being so reasonable
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On May 13 2017 01:03 Holyflare wrote:
If anything i do like palmar for being so reasonable
I too like palmar
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On May 13 2017 00:59 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2017 00:57 Palmar wrote:
I am fairly certain LS and Vivax are town too. Why?
I'm choosing to not answer.
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On May 13 2017 00:59 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2017 00:54 Vivax wrote:On May 13 2017 00:35 Skynx wrote:On May 12 2017 19:04 Skynx wrote:
How about you give me two reasons why i am scum now without cherrypicking? I think my initial reasons I posted before peacing out on D1 are pretty good. Didn't really delve much deeper into the stuff you posted afterwards but it looks more confrontational so that looks better at glance. Then again I don't like that you show up right now and the first thing you want to talk about is yourself. That should be your lowest priority as town, more than 2 days away from a lynch. It is relevant since you've done nothing of value other than your confident push on me. If you cannot even stand behind your reasons I'm gona follow rayn and lynch you tomorrow.
Well I answered it already. Now what? Do I have to dive your filter and find more things to accuse you with or what do you want from me? I feel like there's a lot more going on than just you. I'm expecting answers from 3 half afk people, basking in Palmar's high quality posts, reminding myself that I spontaneously TR Grack for superficial reasons, putting what rayn did into another possible perspective, and being paranoid about LS cause him and Damdred are BFFs usually.
The only guy I'm leaving out from my head atm is darthfoley.
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not because I don't want to, just because I cba going back and citing the examples/posts that made me think that way. I might do at some point.
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United Kingdom30775 Posts
Also palmar, you should read the rest of the night because you excluding fuba from any list is bad.
Fuba is very likely apathetic mafia. He voted for sl and didn't vote anywhere else despite absolving sl of being mafia. He was around at deadline and didn't care which is bad when in my world the other wagon is likely town aka mafia didn't give a shit about what was happening.
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Turkey7150 Posts
On May 13 2017 01:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2017 00:59 Skynx wrote:On May 13 2017 00:54 Vivax wrote:On May 13 2017 00:35 Skynx wrote:On May 12 2017 19:04 Skynx wrote:
How about you give me two reasons why i am scum now without cherrypicking? I think my initial reasons I posted before peacing out on D1 are pretty good. Didn't really delve much deeper into the stuff you posted afterwards but it looks more confrontational so that looks better at glance. Then again I don't like that you show up right now and the first thing you want to talk about is yourself. That should be your lowest priority as town, more than 2 days away from a lynch. It is relevant since you've done nothing of value other than your confident push on me. If you cannot even stand behind your reasons I'm gona follow rayn and lynch you tomorrow. Well I answered it already. Now what? Do I have to dive your filter and find more things to accuse you with or what do you want from me? I feel like there's a lot more going on than just you. I'm expecting answers from 3 half afk people, basking in Palmar's high quality posts, reminding myself that I spontaneously TR Grack for superficial reasons, putting what rayn did into another possible perspective, and being paranoid about LS cause him and Damdred are BFFs usually. The only guy I'm leaving out from my head atm is darthfoley.
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