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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 16:17 GMT
#901
Jesus I'm so sad we killed Damdred. I decided to go looking for the great post that initially had me thinking df is town. I found. Let me tell you a Palmar filter diving story:

I went and looked for this post:

On May 10 2017 22:20 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 18:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Lol ask Vivax about the Ika burden of proof.

This has been one of my most tame shit fights.


Makes me more suspicious of you. Feel like town!Grack goes hamboni jabroni on Rayn for this shit fight. I've seen you in other games get into shit fights so deep D1 that you get mislynched as doc, but you're always spicy and have a "fuck you" attitude about the fight. You don't feel as "fuck you" here. Seems like you're setting yourself up to have wiggle room with Rayn later or something.

I like Palmar's posts about you. I think Palmar is real town.

Also hi


But just slightly below that I found this post:

On May 10 2017 22:48 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 22:44 Holyflare wrote:
But your damdred read is crap because he does stuff like that all the time


I don't like any time someone town reads someone and qualifies it with "it doesn't make sense and it's bad." Especially when that person appears to be scummy ATM


Which is both a good post from df (but not very alignment indicative, I concede). So I checked what read df had given on damdred:

On May 10 2017 22:28 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 08:10 Damdred wrote:
Probably right, I missed you and your witty love HF.

I kinda think Rayn is town for a bad reason that has no real basis


Scum scum scummy


Which means HF thought damdred was town, so I decided to check what was the basis of HF's townread on Damdred because I know HF kinda led the charge on the lynch.

I found this:

On May 11 2017 06:49 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2017 06:43 Damdred wrote:
On May 10 2017 22:20 darthfoley wrote:
On May 10 2017 18:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Lol ask Vivax about the Ika burden of proof.

This has been one of my most tame shit fights.


Makes me more suspicious of you. Feel like town!Grack goes hamboni jabroni on Rayn for this shit fight. I've seen you in other games get into shit fights so deep D1 that you get mislynched as doc, but you're always spicy and have a "fuck you" attitude about the fight. You don't feel as "fuck you" here. Seems like you're setting yourself up to have wiggle room with Rayn later or something.

I like Palmar's posts about you. I think Palmar is real town.

Also hi


I do like this post from DF, HF.

He was also the first one to call out my post as summy I believe (?). But I am a little biased towards him currently eh...


That's the gem post I like. More than 50% of the thread has said anyway.


In it, HF quotes Damdred calling df's post that I liked really good, we've come full circle. Damdred, the lost hero, agreed with me on that df post.

Man I wish he was still here....

This is a rather non-sensical rant, it was just pretty cool how it all came around.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 12 2017 16:20 GMT
#902
Why and when did I think damdred was town? I told damdred to find that post because I said I liked it and he did.

But then he voted df later so I lynched him.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 12 2017 16:22 GMT
#903
Rayn and I had an entire fight over that df post even. That was the entire basis for rayn wanting to lynch df. Which was the worst case I've seen in a long time.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 16:23 GMT
#904
On May 13 2017 01:20 Holyflare wrote:
Why and when did I think damdred was town? I told damdred to find that post because I said I liked it and he did.

But then he voted df later so I lynched him.

I am wrong, I didn't proofread that big post because it doesn't have much to do with the game, just an interesting circle in filter diving.

You didn't say damdred was town, you simply said he did these "bad reasons" reads all the time, which is correct.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 16:24 GMT
#905
Like I didn't even register it as you thinking damdred was town, rather just that at that point you defended him. Poor choice of words for me.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 16:26 GMT
#906
meh

I am not gonna make many concrete decisions today. never lynch df before rayn and grack.

rayn should technically be lynched for terrible play but I'm unsure
grack is scum
hf has done some alarming things, but I'm still torn
there's plenty of low effort people
LS and Vivax, kinda feel like they're good, but it's not super strong
df should not be lynched.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 12 2017 16:28 GMT
#907
Just read my filter, it solves the game for you. I made very smart posts against rayn vs df early d1.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 12 2017 16:28 GMT
#908
Actually quite impressed with myself
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 12 2017 16:36 GMT
#909
I'm having trouble catching up but I'll give my reads based on my vote analysis of day 1. I don't know people here so I can't make meta reads, so I'm going to make reads based on votes and on my own reference points of what scum does, since I found them to be universal across all sites, and while meta-based reads can be more accurate and detailled, there are some things that scum always does so I'm going to trust my ability to solve this game the way I usually do it. Either way, I haven't caught up yet, but I do have a few strong reads so far:

Grackaroni (2) - Palmar, sicklucker
sicklucker (2) - Prison Break, fuba
Vivax (1) - raynpelikoneet
darthfoley (3) - Damdred, Tumblewood, Grackaroni
Damdred (4) - darthfoley, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Skynx
Skynx (1) - Vivax

Not voting (0) -

Damdred is the lynch!



According to my theory that "we prob catched 1-2 scum, and scum is now trying to spread the votes so it's not obvious who it is and they can control the lynch at any moment", combined with the fact that Damdred was the lynch and flipped town, I want to look at the people that were on the vote, that were also a possible target.

People on the vote: darthfoley, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Skynx

Alright let's look at the reasons why they voted

So darthfoley has 3 votes, and Damdred has 4 votes, so at this point it's likely both are town because if they were scum, scum could've pushed the others harder, which makes me think scum could be between the people with 1 or 2 votes.

Townread on darthfoley, based on this analysis

Both Holyflare and Skynx were late on the Damdred lynch, so both are suspicious. darthfoley was also on damdred, but if damdred was scum he could have switched to another target rather than having 2-3 scum pile on the same person. There's probably a townie with like 2 townvotes in there, so why not use 1-2 scum to pile onto it, which also gives additional momentum for others to join and to form a big wagon? This makes my townread on dartfoley stronger.

Holyflare very looks bad for coming in and dropping the vote, Skynx looks bad for dropping the final vote.

As for LightingStrike, I like LightingStrike. He looks town. He's been calling out Holyflare and pressuring him a long time. I can't see it being scum/scum. I can see it being LightningStrike town, Holyflare scum.

I also like how LightningStrike pushes Sicklurker as well, I think if sicklurker was town he had been the lynch day 1, like it seems scum is just trying to steer direction away from him everytime so he doesn't get lynched. Sicklurker also with the 180 on me, first he townreads me and says it's likely for people from other sites to scumread him (aka trying to get me to drop my case against him) - then he goes "he didn't re-evaluate, so he's scummy". I did re-evaluate, I just came to the same conclusion. The fact you townread me at first after I scumread you is already weird, but then your 180 on me is even weirder, only makes sense from a scum PoV

Posts from LightningStrike such as "why you guys trying to settle on to lynching low activity players? Why can't we lynch HF?" seem like actively trying to keep town into the good direction, where as scum you would want to keep town going after inactives (because, then you can just up your activity and join the hunt for inactives. it's an easy strategy for scum to bandwagon on town being bad and imploding, so trying to keep town in the right direction is major townpoints.)

Let's look at an earlier vote-count:

vote-count 3:

Holyflare (1) - LightningStrike
Grackaroni (2) - Palmar, sicklucker
sicklucker (2) - Prison Break, fuba
darthfoley (2) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax
Damdred (1) - Grackaroni
Skynx (1) - darthfoley

As to be seen here, if we assume there's 2 scum between (holyflare, sicklurker, skynx), then it makes sense that Damdred was the counterwagon to it. This vote-count does not prove anything, but like I said it's highly likely 1-2 scum were between these, and we know darthfoley-damdred aren't it, according to my reads.

I want to look more into Skynx before I give me opinion - does this site have an ISO fuction? Right now I'm going control f people's names but it's not the most effective way in the world, ugh.. Though Skynx pushed both sicklurker and holyflare so based on connections, it's likely that he's town or bussing, so I'm leaning Skynx on being town

I also want to look into Grackaroni as well, but sicklurker pushed him though, so prob not a team

We should kill Sicklurker and Holyflare 100%, will vote either of them
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 12 2017 16:39 GMT
#910
Also note how HolyFlare tried to switch my attention away from sicklurker today. He kind of soft-defended him when I brought it up, and then he tells me the entire time to look elsewhere, as does sicklurker, so they're teaming up against me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 12 2017 16:44 GMT
#911
Maybe you should look at my reasons for voting people rather than just my position on lynch?

I do appreciate the effort, however misguided it is.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 12 2017 16:45 GMT
#912
I'm not soft defending sicklucker either. I'm trying to get you to do something other than pushing sicklucker because I think your points on him got defeated but you were still pushing it which was bad and I wanted to see what you were capable of.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
May 12 2017 16:50 GMT
#913
Hm also:

According to my theory that "we prob catched 1-2 scum, and scum is now trying to spread the votes so it's not obvious who it is and they can control the lynch at any moment"


If that's your theory why do you begin looking for mafia in the people on the wagon?

Also you can press the filter button under a person's post and see alll their posts.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 12 2017 17:09 GMT
#914
On May 13 2017 01:36 Prison Break wrote:
I'm having trouble catching up but I'll give my reads based on my vote analysis of day 1. I don't know people here so I can't make meta reads, so I'm going to make reads based on votes and on my own reference points of what scum does, since I found them to be universal across all sites, and while meta-based reads can be more accurate and detailled, there are some things that scum always does so I'm going to trust my ability to solve this game the way I usually do it. Either way, I haven't caught up yet, but I do have a few strong reads so far:

Grackaroni (2) - Palmar, sicklucker
sicklucker (2) - Prison Break, fuba
Vivax (1) - raynpelikoneet
darthfoley (3) - Damdred, Tumblewood, Grackaroni
Damdred (4) - darthfoley, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Skynx
Skynx (1) - Vivax

Not voting (0) -

Damdred is the lynch!



According to my theory that "we prob catched 1-2 scum, and scum is now trying to spread the votes so it's not obvious who it is and they can control the lynch at any moment", combined with the fact that Damdred was the lynch and flipped town, I want to look at the people that were on the vote, that were also a possible target.

People on the vote: darthfoley, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Skynx

Alright let's look at the reasons why they voted

So darthfoley has 3 votes, and Damdred has 4 votes, so at this point it's likely both are town because if they were scum, scum could've pushed the others harder, which makes me think scum could be between the people with 1 or 2 votes.

Townread on darthfoley, based on this analysis

Both Holyflare and Skynx were late on the Damdred lynch, so both are suspicious. darthfoley was also on damdred, but if damdred was scum he could have switched to another target rather than having 2-3 scum pile on the same person. There's probably a townie with like 2 townvotes in there, so why not use 1-2 scum to pile onto it, which also gives additional momentum for others to join and to form a big wagon? This makes my townread on dartfoley stronger.

Holyflare very looks bad for coming in and dropping the vote, Skynx looks bad for dropping the final vote.

As for LightingStrike, I like LightingStrike. He looks town. He's been calling out Holyflare and pressuring him a long time. I can't see it being scum/scum. I can see it being LightningStrike town, Holyflare scum.

I also like how LightningStrike pushes Sicklurker as well, I think if sicklurker was town he had been the lynch day 1, like it seems scum is just trying to steer direction away from him everytime so he doesn't get lynched. Sicklurker also with the 180 on me, first he townreads me and says it's likely for people from other sites to scumread him (aka trying to get me to drop my case against him) - then he goes "he didn't re-evaluate, so he's scummy". I did re-evaluate, I just came to the same conclusion. The fact you townread me at first after I scumread you is already weird, but then your 180 on me is even weirder, only makes sense from a scum PoV

Posts from LightningStrike such as "why you guys trying to settle on to lynching low activity players? Why can't we lynch HF?" seem like actively trying to keep town into the good direction, where as scum you would want to keep town going after inactives (because, then you can just up your activity and join the hunt for inactives. it's an easy strategy for scum to bandwagon on town being bad and imploding, so trying to keep town in the right direction is major townpoints.)

Let's look at an earlier vote-count:

vote-count 3:

Holyflare (1) - LightningStrike
Grackaroni (2) - Palmar, sicklucker
sicklucker (2) - Prison Break, fuba
darthfoley (2) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax
Damdred (1) - Grackaroni
Skynx (1) - darthfoley

As to be seen here, if we assume there's 2 scum between (holyflare, sicklurker, skynx), then it makes sense that Damdred was the counterwagon to it. This vote-count does not prove anything, but like I said it's highly likely 1-2 scum were between these, and we know darthfoley-damdred aren't it, according to my reads.

I want to look more into Skynx before I give me opinion - does this site have an ISO fuction? Right now I'm going control f people's names but it's not the most effective way in the world, ugh.. Though Skynx pushed both sicklurker and holyflare so based on connections, it's likely that he's town or bussing, so I'm leaning Skynx on being town

I also want to look into Grackaroni as well, but sicklurker pushed him though, so prob not a team

We should kill Sicklurker and Holyflare 100%, will vote either of them

Sorry to tell you this but I didn't push sicklucker at all lol.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 12 2017 17:12 GMT
#915
I thought you said you didn't like his day 1 + made a few posts about how he could be scum, like early this day

Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 12 2017 17:13 GMT
#916
On May 13 2017 01:50 Holyflare wrote:
Hm also:
Show nested quote +

According to my theory that "we prob catched 1-2 scum, and scum is now trying to spread the votes so it's not obvious who it is and they can control the lynch at any moment"


If that's your theory why do you begin looking for mafia in the people on the wagon?

Also you can press the filter button under a person's post and see alll their posts.


That was my theory earlier on, when everyone had 1-2 votes. Obviously as end of day nears, people want to push 1 townie for the mislynch, and in this case your last vote looked very bad
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 12 2017 17:14 GMT
#917
scum wants the votes spread early-mid day, and want to steer them toward a townie mid-late day
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 12 2017 17:14 GMT
#918
On May 13 2017 02:12 Prison Break wrote:
I thought you said you didn't like his day 1 + made a few posts about how he could be scum, like early this day


All I said was I would try to get read him around Day 2 since he hard to read Day 1 since he doesn't play Day 1's.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 12 2017 17:15 GMT
#919
I've seen enough games where someone is townread by a lot of people from day 1 on, keeps getting defended by town + sometimes their mates, never gets lynched and ends up being scum

Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 12 2017 17:16 GMT
#920
On May 13 2017 02:14 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2017 02:12 Prison Break wrote:
I thought you said you didn't like his day 1 + made a few posts about how he could be scum, like early this day


All I said was I would try to get read him around Day 2 since he hard to read Day 1 since he doesn't play Day 1's.


Alright "push" is an overstatement, but from my PoV, as far as making reads go, I liked the fact you had the same concern as me (not liking his day 1), therefore I can see you being town because we think alike
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