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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 29 2016 21:05 Jean Valjean wrote: You understand the actual chances of this happening are next to zero, right? Looking at the vote counts, amount of cleared people and thread sentiment, I would beg to differ. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
Jealous is basically my "this guy is never going to be mafia/mafia of the year". I basically love how he think, I love everything he posts and he is a strapping lad in every possible way. I think this guy has a fantastic future in TL Mafia. If he somehow ends up the mafia I'll be doubly impressed. But yeah, I am never lynching this guy. Skynx had a good day 1, but unless he's contributed much since daybreak I'm meh on him GB is "confirmed" (he has a role, no other blues have claimed, he shot mafia) I am "confirmed" (towniest player in thread, lynched mafia) Superbia is probably town. His gambit is of course possible mafia play (superbia is probably the player with the greatest mafia range in this game), but meh. He also sounded townie in the end when I put some pressure on him during the night. Tumblewood has been more backgroundy than most, but every time I read posts by him I just think he doesn't sound like what mafia would sound like. I'm sort of letting him off as town. I think mafia is most likely somewhere in: Damdred/Artanis/Chez/Tictock Of those there exists at least one reason for 3 of them (all but chez) to think they're town. Damdred might be genuinely frustrated about the lack of respect he's getting (he has been bitching about being a good player yet ignored). Tictock still sounds scummy, but his reaction to superbia's test was.... ok? He's still suspicious because as I explained earlier all he needed was to know the track was false, but still. He's probably my 2nd choice for the remaining mafia. Artanis I already explained. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 29 2016 21:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm curious how it feels to be on the opposite end of the table though. It's interesting. We know one of us is good enough to pull his head out of his ass during a tunnel and get shit done (lynch scum). Now we're about to find out if the other one is good enough. pro-tip: I'm not gonna help you by doing the typical townie things on TL Mafia: flame excessively, yell, pout, self-vote, or any of the other classic defenses. I am going to stick to my principles, stay transparent, explain my thoughts, and I believe that will get me where I need to go. So yeah, it's interesting, unexpected, but something I can deal with. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
There is literally no downside for you in better explaining your read, if you're town. At worst, you'll still want to lynch me but town has a better understanding of why you did it, at best, you're going to realize your conclusion is faulty and we can start doing other things. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
So I'm kinda realizing that if we are putting Jean under some scrutiny due to the possibility of an Epic Bus situation D1, then we should also reexamine Super as well since I think the biggest thing going for him is his push D1 on Moosy. So kinda open ended to everyone, what do you think about Super's fake claim on me today? Too ballsy for scum? Too insane for town? In particular I feel like he did not provide sufficient pressure to me to be able to really conclude that I am not scum for not having conceded (I'm actually not a fan of how much this "well he didn't concede today, must not be mafia" logic is being thrown around today...). I've shown in other games that I tend to not give up or surrender despite dire circumstances. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 29 2016 21:37 Jean Valjean wrote: And this is not a one way investigation Artanis, you are still a possibility for scum this game ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KlkEtLA.gif) Deadline's today right? That's kind of unfortunate since I've got improv until close to deadline. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
Jean Valjean (3): Tictock, Artanis[Xp], Damdred Damdred (2): Chezinu (2): Jealous (1): Artanis[Xp] (0): Tictock (0): Not Voting (3): GlowingBear, Chezinu, Superbia As of now, Jean Valjean will get lynched! Day 2 ends Wednesday, Jun 29 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . TL countdown synchronizes with your device local time and not with the TL server time. It might be inaccurate. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 29 2016 22:45 Tictock wrote: Humm, I'm gunna hold off giving this game too much thought for a few more hours, but I plan to be around for EoD today. So I'm kinda realizing that if we are putting Jean under some scrutiny due to the possibility of an Epic Bus situation D1, then we should also reexamine Super as well since I think the biggest thing going for him is his push D1 on Moosy. So kinda open ended to everyone, what do you think about Super's fake claim on me today? Too ballsy for scum? Too insane for town? In particular I feel like he did not provide sufficient pressure to me to be able to really conclude that I am not scum for not having conceded (I'm actually not a fan of how much this "well he didn't concede today, must not be mafia" logic is being thrown around today...). I've shown in other games that I tend to not give up or surrender despite dire circumstances. You are voting me. What in my gameplay seems indicative of your "super bus" scenario. Didn't I waffle on Moosy's real alignment right until the lynch? Do I actually sound like mafia? Have my contributions this game been pushing mafia agenda? Generally, while I understand fear lynching, you need to have at least one thing that makes the person you want to lynch mafia. I do not want to get lynched, as I pointed out myself, the no1 priority of a townie is not to get lynched. The problem is I'm having a hard time finding the right frequency to communicate with a few of you (for example Artanis, and it seems you/damdred). I'm trying to be open and transparent, but none of you actually want to explain why you think I'm mafia, and to someone who likes structured and logical play as much as I do, it's very hard for me (and a weakness of mine) to communicate with people who just want to lynch because... random butterflies? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
If Jean Valjean was mafia he would never ever kill QT last night. It's simple: either scum was trying to take the bodyguard down or the bodyguard is scum and tried to make it look like he was trying to kill the bodyguard. Either way, Jean isn't scum. IF he was scum and had hit the bodyguard, he would have to explain why he would be alive day3. That's a horrible position for Mafia to put himself in. He would kill another townie that had less chance to be town according to my town reads. I took a risk to give the bodyguard to a null read of mine exactly because of this by the way. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On June 29 2016 23:05 Jean Valjean wrote: You are voting me. What in my gameplay seems indicative of your "super bus" scenario. Didn't I waffle on Moosy's real alignment right until the lynch? Do I actually sound like mafia? Have my contributions this game been pushing mafia agenda? Generally, while I understand fear lynching, you need to have at least one thing that makes the person you want to lynch mafia. I do not want to get lynched, as I pointed out myself, the no1 priority of a townie is not to get lynched. The problem is I'm having a hard time finding the right frequency to communicate with a few of you (for example Artanis, and it seems you/damdred). I'm trying to be open and transparent, but none of you actually want to explain why you think I'm mafia, and to someone who likes structured and logical play as much as I do, it's very hard for me (and a weakness of mine) to communicate with people who just want to lynch because... random butterflies? Actually, Jean, your attitude against Moosy reeked of TMI. There was a post where you just said "ok, too trolly to be town" and locked on lynching him. Anyway, NK points you as town | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
It's easy to see how you are mafia, and if we get near lylo/mylo you can't be allowed to get that far just in case honestly. And lynching a suiciding moosey isn't that great but that goes for all of is who were on you so you could kill moose. @Super you will really regret lynching me btw idk why I have to be lynched when I have put in a lot of work today and general activity is stupid high for probably dying today | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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Jealous
10077 Posts
On June 29 2016 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Deadline's today right? That's kind of unfortunate since I've got improv until close to deadline. I'm still waiting for your analysis ): This would also help to quiet Jean saying you don't contribute? ^^ | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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Jealous
10077 Posts
As TT said, the main reason this wagon even gained traction was because of some flight of fancy, more of a sentimental "let's jump to conclusions because we want this to be the greatest game evar" than any real analysis of Jean's play. As TT said, Superbia could be equally guilty of the same legendary bus technique. Basing Jean's lynch on this and inactivity is too great a risk because we lose 2 potentially townie votes and we lose a townie who can't be NK. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On June 30 2016 00:57 GlowingBear wrote: We are not lynching Rayn EHMM Jean Valjean today! What kind of stupidity is this? If Jean Valjean was mafia he would never ever kill QT last night. It's simple: either scum was trying to take the bodyguard down or the bodyguard is scum and tried to make it look like he was trying to kill the bodyguard. Either way, Jean isn't scum. IF he was scum and had hit the bodyguard, he would have to explain why he would be alive day3. That's a horrible position for Mafia to put himself in. He would kill another townie that had less chance to be town according to my town reads. I took a risk to give the bodyguard to a null read of mine exactly because of this by the way. Eh while this is a decent WIFOM NK argument (and possibly the first I've seen made to TR someone) I think your assumption that QT was killed because he might be BG a little flawed. There is just as much chance he was killed because basically everyone agreed he was town or because he was on the right track and heavily TR. Though I think my first thought was also that he was killed as a potential BG. If he was killed because he was on the right track it would implicate Super actually. On June 27 2016 04:17 QuickTwist wrote: This is the last post of the day for me. 1) Your read on him is very non-commital. That is sometimes considered a Scum tell all on its own. 2) I read your reasons for reading him both Town and Scum as greatly reaching into things that are not alignment indicative at all. It would be one thing if they were solid Town and Scum tells, but they are not. Combine these two and what are you left with? No stance taken one way or the other based off reasons that are not AI. You might as well have just said "He hasn't done anything AI" but the fact that you are trying to blow a post like that up by both giving a strong stance both ways and giving non-valid reasoning just makes it a terrible terrible post. Why this is a Scummy post is because: 1) Its one of the longer posts you have made 2) You are fabricating reads 3) You don't have hardly any long posts to begin with 4) So it makes it look like you are trying look like you are doing more than you really are. | ||
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