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To remove uncertainty from potentially painful end-game scenarios that have muddled my analytical breakdown of when we CAN or SHOULD lynch Jean, I have a couple of questions:
GlowingBear, will you ever use your pardon? If so, in what scenarios and why?
If you were in an endgame scenario where you had to choose between Jean and your bodyguard to lynch, who would you lynch?
Jean: Under what circumstances would you push a GlowingBear lynch?
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He was the most town read person GB he always should of been the kill
That's not an argument
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On June 30 2016 02:30 Jealous wrote:
To remove uncertainty from potentially painful end-game scenarios that have muddled my analytical breakdown of when we CAN or SHOULD lynch Jean, I have a couple of questions:
GlowingBear, will you ever use your pardon? If so, in what scenarios and why?
If you were in an endgame scenario where you had to choose between Jean and your bodyguard to lynch, who would you lynch?
Jean: Under what circumstances would you push a GlowingBear lynch?
What in the world was that about pushing gb
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On June 30 2016 02:22 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:
We are not lynching Rayn EHMM Jean Valjean today! What kind of stupidity is this?
If Jean Valjean was mafia he would never ever kill QT last night. It's simple: either scum was trying to take the bodyguard down or the bodyguard is scum and tried to make it look like he was trying to kill the bodyguard.
Either way, Jean isn't scum. IF he was scum and had hit the bodyguard, he would have to explain why he would be alive day3. That's a horrible position for Mafia to put himself in. He would kill another townie that had less chance to be town according to my town reads. I took a risk to give the bodyguard to a null read of mine exactly because of this by the way.
Eh while this is a decent WIFOM NK argument (and possibly the first I've seen made to TR someone) I think your assumption that QT was killed because he might be BG a little flawed. There is just as much chance he was killed because basically everyone agreed he was town or because he was on the right track and heavily TR. Though I think my first thought was also that he was killed as a potential BG. If he was killed because he was on the right track it would implicate Super actually. Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 04:17 QuickTwist wrote:On June 27 2016 04:08 Superbia wrote:On June 27 2016 04:05 QuickTwist wrote:On June 27 2016 04:02 Superbia wrote:On June 27 2016 02:42 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 18:18 Superbia wrote:
A quick few notes about how I feel about damdred btw:
I think damdred could be scum, but not for the reasons that have been brought up (iirc). I think his reads have been sort of relaxed and I can see them coming from a town perspective. I do want to see some reasons behind them. Especially the two I asked at the start of the game.
Damdred's most scummy play this game has been his chicanery regarding presidency. He started the game off with the whole "I don't want to be president but I want to support a town president" or something along those lines. I think this is actually sort of scummy. I think as town you want to be the president, especially if you believe in your own ability. Moreover, it felt like he did want the presidency from the very start. His last page of his filter also has him pushing more and more towards getting the presidency.
Damdred, can you explain? Did you really not want presidency? If so, what has changed?
Moreover, can you elaborate on your early reads a little? Why did you conclude artanis vs qt was TvT that quickly? This post sucks and I'm Scum reading you for it. Why? I'll just say it like this: your reasons for both Town reading him AND Scum reading him are not even AI. AI? uwut? How does it make me scum? Also what does it mean for damdred's alignment? This is the last post of the day for me. 1) Your read on him is very non-commital. That is sometimes considered a Scum tell all on its own. 2) I read your reasons for reading him both Town and Scum as greatly reaching into things that are not alignment indicative at all. It would be one thing if they were solid Town and Scum tells, but they are not. Combine these two and what are you left with? No stance taken one way or the other based off reasons that are not AI. You might as well have just said "He hasn't done anything AI" but the fact that you are trying to blow a post like that up by both giving a strong stance both ways and giving non-valid reasoning just makes it a terrible terrible post. Why this is a Scummy post is because: 1) Its one of the longer posts you have made 2) You are fabricating reads 3) You don't have hardly any long posts to begin with 4) So it makes it look like you are trying look like you are doing more than you really are.
Wouldn't this be a little too... basic? Killing the one person who suspects you (I don't think there were others or if there were, they did not make a case like this) is suspicious as all hell and when you have the pick of the litter so early in the game, I don't think Superbia would go for something so direct.
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On June 30 2016 02:32 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 02:30 Jealous wrote:
To remove uncertainty from potentially painful end-game scenarios that have muddled my analytical breakdown of when we CAN or SHOULD lynch Jean, I have a couple of questions:
GlowingBear, will you ever use your pardon? If so, in what scenarios and why?
If you were in an endgame scenario where you had to choose between Jean and your bodyguard to lynch, who would you lynch?
Jean: Under what circumstances would you push a GlowingBear lynch? What in the world was that about pushing gb
GB is another person who can't be killed if his bodyguard is alive. In an end-game scenario where you have Jean/GlowingBear/Bodyguard/Random townie, if GB is scum then he will probably try to lynch Jean and then win the game at night. There are other such end-game scenarios where lynching GB might become an option for Jean, which is why I want his take on the matter.
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Anyways, for me Jeans play today is interesting enough to keep him in consideration.
He responds to Supers claim saying it adds up because
On June 28 2016 07:05 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 06:54 Jealous wrote:On June 28 2016 06:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Confirmed town, impossible to be killed at night.
This is perfect So let me get this clear on paper: you claim Vigi? yes he's claiming vigilante, and superbia is claiming tracker. Both are believable claims, mostly because ticktock is the scummiest player in the thread and it makes no sense for mafia to fakeclaim right now.
I think we just won.
Which still seems like a very sudden flip on his read on me given these were his last posts addressing me in the night.
On June 28 2016 00:52 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 00:49 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 00:25 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 27 2016 23:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 23:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I may have made a huge mistake Yeah, you should've pardoned MD! He is probably talking about the bodyguard. This is the one thing that's going to be extremely helpful in deducing GlowingBear's alignment. His choice of bodyguard is very, very important. Do not let him get away with anything less than a full explanation for his choice and make sure it fits his thinking and approach. In addition, this is just speculation, but at some point in the game it may be a good idea to claim the bodyguard role. The reason is quite simple. We probably have some blues the mafia is going to be looking into shooting. A claimed bodyguard is a massive annoyance to mafia because if they want to eliminate me they have to first kill the bodyguard (if I understand the rules correctly). That means two extra nights for our blue roles to do their job. Also, this is more long term, but there is no world where we have named townie + 3 blue roles. That would be excessive, so if a situation comes up where the claims look like that, be very vary of the claims and start making hard decisions on blue roles. I think it's a little early to be discussing this. How about you deliver me some mafia instead of telling people what they should or should not discuss. Go forth my minion and find mafia, then deliver me their heads. I shall make quick judgement of your successes or failures.
On June 28 2016 01:33 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 01:27 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 01:08 emperorchampion wrote:On June 28 2016 00:48 Tictock wrote:On June 27 2016 23:13 emperorchampion wrote:On June 27 2016 21:12 Tictock wrote:
Yea thats the one.
The whole switch of choice over who to lynch is what makes this an imposing EoD to reread. Not only do I need to look at why people voted who they did for mayor, but when that happened in correlation with who the mayor claimed would be the lynch.
That's why I've had issues with Damdred's filter kus his vote and reads were all over the place EoD. Said he didn't trust GB to be mayor kus he's "wishy-washy" or something, voted GB. Pressed Jean to Lynch me and semi-defended Moosy, voted Jean right before EoD who claimed he was going to lynch Moosy.
Like the switch at the end seems towny because Moosy was scum, but nothing about how he got there makes any sense to me. Damdred has stated at least once his reasons for switching, this post feels very fluffy It sounds like you disagree with my read then and presumably you think Damdred is town. So what am I not seeing? Why is Damdred town? While we are at it, who are you scumreading Emp? I think Damdred stated fairly clearly why he switched his vote. I will discuss reads more during the day phase, but my post does not make any assumptions of damdred's alignment. I am uneasy with how you are coming to your own conclusion in your post about damdred's actions, rather than evaluating what he has already posted. It makes more sense to me to maybe say, "oh I don't believe that you switched your votes for this reason, here is why I think you actually switched votes..." then continue on to your post or something. But I don't see any of that. Ok I'm just going to assume you are mafia with Damdred then. Is this something you genuinely believe?
But then hey I'm prob the only person who cares about how his read on me develops.
It's more just the trend in his play today which is very survivalist motivated.
On June 28 2016 08:43 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 08:41 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 06:06 Superbia wrote:TT why'd you visit QT bro?  Either you just fucked up SUPER bad (see what i did there?) as scum... Or this is the worst fakeclaim on this site since December. So you're contesting the claim? Fine. I assume you're also ok with lynching you then Superbia, because either way it's an auto win.
"Lets just kill you both" with no thoughts attached, and remind you he had just made the point about it being stupid for scum to fake claim.
On June 29 2016 06:20 Jean Valjean wrote:
Hey guys, I'm partially unavailable today, and probably tomorrow too. I am sorry for that, I should have more time to contribute on thursday.
I will try to make sense of what is going on in a little while, also I'm not particularly bothered about what we kill today.
Speaks for itself...
Then when this pressure started he comes back and starts defending himself, while also making an out of nowhere push on Chez, and fighting/considering Art.
The choice of Chez is really interesting to me because it kinda looks like a strategic choice not a reasoned one. Like Jean says this is his current scum pool.
On June 29 2016 21:13 Jean Valjean wrote:
I think mafia is most likely somewhere in:
Damdred/Artanis/Chez/Tictock
And decides Chez is the most scummy for being underwhelming.
Chez also happens to be the least active/vocal of this group, is not a current wagon (so a vote for chez is not simply a vote for survival), and is kinda a wildcard player in general.
I think it's an even more interesting pick when you consider the amount of evidence that we've discussed tying Damdred to both flipped scum, that I was "the most scummy player in the thread" at one point in Jean's eyes, and that he and art have been constantly fighting and accusing each other all game. Yet we all get kinda flimsy hand wavey reasons why we aren't worth considering today, well me and Damdred at least... the Art stuff is more developed.
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GB is confirmed town jealous...
Though jealous is almost dumb telling himself idk
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On June 30 2016 02:33 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 02:22 Tictock wrote:On June 30 2016 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:
We are not lynching Rayn EHMM Jean Valjean today! What kind of stupidity is this?
If Jean Valjean was mafia he would never ever kill QT last night. It's simple: either scum was trying to take the bodyguard down or the bodyguard is scum and tried to make it look like he was trying to kill the bodyguard.
Either way, Jean isn't scum. IF he was scum and had hit the bodyguard, he would have to explain why he would be alive day3. That's a horrible position for Mafia to put himself in. He would kill another townie that had less chance to be town according to my town reads. I took a risk to give the bodyguard to a null read of mine exactly because of this by the way.
Eh while this is a decent WIFOM NK argument (and possibly the first I've seen made to TR someone) I think your assumption that QT was killed because he might be BG a little flawed. There is just as much chance he was killed because basically everyone agreed he was town or because he was on the right track and heavily TR. Though I think my first thought was also that he was killed as a potential BG. If he was killed because he was on the right track it would implicate Super actually. On June 27 2016 04:17 QuickTwist wrote:On June 27 2016 04:08 Superbia wrote:On June 27 2016 04:05 QuickTwist wrote:On June 27 2016 04:02 Superbia wrote:On June 27 2016 02:42 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 18:18 Superbia wrote:
A quick few notes about how I feel about damdred btw:
I think damdred could be scum, but not for the reasons that have been brought up (iirc). I think his reads have been sort of relaxed and I can see them coming from a town perspective. I do want to see some reasons behind them. Especially the two I asked at the start of the game.
Damdred's most scummy play this game has been his chicanery regarding presidency. He started the game off with the whole "I don't want to be president but I want to support a town president" or something along those lines. I think this is actually sort of scummy. I think as town you want to be the president, especially if you believe in your own ability. Moreover, it felt like he did want the presidency from the very start. His last page of his filter also has him pushing more and more towards getting the presidency.
Damdred, can you explain? Did you really not want presidency? If so, what has changed?
Moreover, can you elaborate on your early reads a little? Why did you conclude artanis vs qt was TvT that quickly? This post sucks and I'm Scum reading you for it. Why? I'll just say it like this: your reasons for both Town reading him AND Scum reading him are not even AI. AI? uwut? How does it make me scum? Also what does it mean for damdred's alignment? This is the last post of the day for me. 1) Your read on him is very non-commital. That is sometimes considered a Scum tell all on its own. 2) I read your reasons for reading him both Town and Scum as greatly reaching into things that are not alignment indicative at all. It would be one thing if they were solid Town and Scum tells, but they are not. Combine these two and what are you left with? No stance taken one way or the other based off reasons that are not AI. You might as well have just said "He hasn't done anything AI" but the fact that you are trying to blow a post like that up by both giving a strong stance both ways and giving non-valid reasoning just makes it a terrible terrible post. Why this is a Scummy post is because: 1) Its one of the longer posts you have made 2) You are fabricating reads 3) You don't have hardly any long posts to begin with 4) So it makes it look like you are trying look like you are doing more than you really are. Wouldn't this be a little too... basic? Killing the one person who suspects you (I don't think there were others or if there were, they did not make a case like this) is suspicious as all hell and when you have the pick of the litter so early in the game, I don't think Superbia would go for something so direct.
My point overall here was the NK logic is pretty WIFOM.
I'm not throwing out what GB said though kus it's an interesting point, just not sure it's as solid as he seems to believe.
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On June 30 2016 02:40 Tictock wrote:Anyways, for me Jeans play today is interesting enough to keep him in consideration. He responds to Supers claim saying it adds up because Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 07:05 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 28 2016 06:54 Jealous wrote:On June 28 2016 06:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Confirmed town, impossible to be killed at night.
This is perfect So let me get this clear on paper: you claim Vigi? yes he's claiming vigilante, and superbia is claiming tracker. Both are believable claims, mostly because ticktock is the scummiest player in the thread and it makes no sense for mafia to fakeclaim right now.
I think we just won. Which still seems like a very sudden flip on his read on me given these were his last posts addressing me in the night. Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 00:52 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 28 2016 00:49 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 00:25 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 27 2016 23:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 23:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I may have made a huge mistake Yeah, you should've pardoned MD! He is probably talking about the bodyguard. This is the one thing that's going to be extremely helpful in deducing GlowingBear's alignment. His choice of bodyguard is very, very important. Do not let him get away with anything less than a full explanation for his choice and make sure it fits his thinking and approach. In addition, this is just speculation, but at some point in the game it may be a good idea to claim the bodyguard role. The reason is quite simple. We probably have some blues the mafia is going to be looking into shooting. A claimed bodyguard is a massive annoyance to mafia because if they want to eliminate me they have to first kill the bodyguard (if I understand the rules correctly). That means two extra nights for our blue roles to do their job. Also, this is more long term, but there is no world where we have named townie + 3 blue roles. That would be excessive, so if a situation comes up where the claims look like that, be very vary of the claims and start making hard decisions on blue roles. I think it's a little early to be discussing this. How about you deliver me some mafia instead of telling people what they should or should not discuss. Go forth my minion and find mafia, then deliver me their heads. I shall make quick judgement of your successes or failures. Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 01:33 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 28 2016 01:27 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 01:08 emperorchampion wrote:On June 28 2016 00:48 Tictock wrote:On June 27 2016 23:13 emperorchampion wrote:On June 27 2016 21:12 Tictock wrote:
Yea thats the one.
The whole switch of choice over who to lynch is what makes this an imposing EoD to reread. Not only do I need to look at why people voted who they did for mayor, but when that happened in correlation with who the mayor claimed would be the lynch.
That's why I've had issues with Damdred's filter kus his vote and reads were all over the place EoD. Said he didn't trust GB to be mayor kus he's "wishy-washy" or something, voted GB. Pressed Jean to Lynch me and semi-defended Moosy, voted Jean right before EoD who claimed he was going to lynch Moosy.
Like the switch at the end seems towny because Moosy was scum, but nothing about how he got there makes any sense to me. Damdred has stated at least once his reasons for switching, this post feels very fluffy It sounds like you disagree with my read then and presumably you think Damdred is town. So what am I not seeing? Why is Damdred town? While we are at it, who are you scumreading Emp? I think Damdred stated fairly clearly why he switched his vote. I will discuss reads more during the day phase, but my post does not make any assumptions of damdred's alignment. I am uneasy with how you are coming to your own conclusion in your post about damdred's actions, rather than evaluating what he has already posted. It makes more sense to me to maybe say, "oh I don't believe that you switched your votes for this reason, here is why I think you actually switched votes..." then continue on to your post or something. But I don't see any of that. Ok I'm just going to assume you are mafia with Damdred then. Is this something you genuinely believe? But then hey I'm prob the only person who cares about how his read on me develops. It's more just the trend in his play today which is very survivalist motivated. Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 08:43 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 28 2016 08:41 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 06:06 Superbia wrote:TT why'd you visit QT bro? Either you just fucked up SUPER bad (see what i did there?) as scum... Or this is the worst fakeclaim on this site since December. So you're contesting the claim? Fine. I assume you're also ok with lynching you then Superbia, because either way it's an auto win. "Lets just kill you both" with no thoughts attached, and remind you he had just made the point about it being stupid for scum to fake claim. Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 06:20 Jean Valjean wrote:
Hey guys, I'm partially unavailable today, and probably tomorrow too. I am sorry for that, I should have more time to contribute on thursday.
I will try to make sense of what is going on in a little while, also I'm not particularly bothered about what we kill today. Speaks for itself... Then when this pressure started he comes back and starts defending himself, while also making an out of nowhere push on Chez, and fighting/considering Art. The choice of Chez is really interesting to me because it kinda looks like a strategic choice not a reasoned one. Like Jean says this is his current scum pool. Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 21:13 Jean Valjean wrote:
I think mafia is most likely somewhere in:
Damdred/Artanis/Chez/Tictock
And decides Chez is the most scummy for being underwhelming. Chez also happens to be the least active/vocal of this group, is not a current wagon (so a vote for chez is not simply a vote for survival), and is kinda a wildcard player in general. I think it's an even more interesting pick when you consider the amount of evidence that we've discussed tying Damdred to both flipped scum, that I was "the most scummy player in the thread" at one point in Jean's eyes, and that he and art have been constantly fighting and accusing each other all game. Yet we all get kinda flimsy hand wavey reasons why we aren't worth considering today, well me and Damdred at least... the Art stuff is more developed.
Posts like this are glad I reconsidered you.
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On June 30 2016 02:40 Damdred wrote:
GB is confirmed town jealous...
Though jealous is almost dumb telling himself idk
OH right. Whoops, I forgot haha. Thanks for correcting me.
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My questions to GB still stand.
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I don't think that's something scum forgets who shot their partner.
Ehhh its kinda weak, but I don't think I want to lynch jealous especially with his attitude/interactions today.
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On June 30 2016 02:44 Damdred wrote:
I don't think that's something scum forgets who shot their partner.
Ehhh its kinda weak, but I don't think I want to lynch jealous especially with his attitude/interactions today.
I was writing up a long analysis on why we should/should not lynch Jean and many of them boiled down to some endgame variation of Jean/GB/Bodyguard/Townie so I started thinking about that scenario in a vacuum where one of them had to be scum and I forgot that GB can't be scum. It's like when you start a u substitution in calculus and you forget what your u was and didn't write your work down x_x I've forgotten that QT was dead before when doing my reads too, haha. I should be more mindful.
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I took another look at Moosy' filter to see if any of his posts involving Jean were revealing, but they weren't.
So went to Emp's filter instead.
This post gave me pause when I first saw it...
On June 26 2016 11:12 emperorchampion wrote:For Jean Valjean: I think that he was overly defensive of the slight scum lean that Artanis gave him. Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. I think I can understand his post from the mentality of "I contributed as much as I could with the limited time I have". But these responses seem very heavy handed: Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 08:27 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. On June 26 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. That's just an objective statement. I have said very little and acknowledged that my contributions would be lacking today. If you want to call me mafia you have to explain why what little I have said is no useful. I am almost certain you are mafia by now. Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 08:31 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 08:27 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. On June 26 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. That's just an objective statement. I have said very little and acknowledged that my contributions would be lacking today. If you want to call me mafia you have to explain why what little I have said is no useful. I am almost certain you are mafia by now. So I'm mafia for applying a reason you called Damdred mafia for onto you? Must mean you're like 110% mafia then, especially since you didn't explain it for Damdred yourself. First of all, I wasn't talking about Damdred, I was talking about Superbia, a player that generally can be fairly helpful. In addition, he has posted three pages of content, something that I clearly haven't done, so the direction of his posts has become clear, while I would argue the direction of my posts is not yet clear. It is unreasonable to call someone mafia for not posting helpful things when he has posted 3 posts in general. If you want to call me mafia for being inactive that's fine, if you think I'm actively lurking and avoiding posting, that's fine too. I just think the rationale you just gave is both unreasonable and opportunistic. I don't believe you think your own reasoning is valid, and that means you must be mafia. Another thing that gives me pause was his calling out of super: Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Very little Superbia has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. While he also seems to be fairly aware of supers' meta here: Two things: 1) I think that Super has had some direction, and I think I have a fairly good read on the way Super plays. 2) Something that I find odd about all of this is that there had been no mention of Moosy at all in this "you haven't contributed anything useful" line of thinking. From his posts so far this is what I have seen: 1) He is admittedly not very involved 2) He has read through Super's and my filter, which he believes are empty but he gives no mention of Moosy's lack of contributions 3) Very defensive posting Overall I'm not thrilled with his responses, and I will be very interested to see the level of his interactions as the game progresses.
Then I found the small follow up he made later one (he messed up the code in that post but this was directly responding to his own points from the above.
I believe that the three points above can easily be explained by someone who is afk, ie you don't have time to look through the entire game, you just read filter, you've given a reason that you are away and someone leans scum on you for not believing that reason. This in a way makes sense to me.
Jean's activity since then I'm not so sure. It seems like he is willing to invest time in the game now, and he has been making posts that are at odds with his opening goals. I would be interested to hear others opinions on this matter though, since he seems to be heavily town read.
This is actually kinda confusing, but given that Emp's main point was that Jean wasn't considering Moosy as scum I'm half tempted to just conclude that the scum team decided to bus each other all game.
At first I thought this might actually prove Jean is town, especially since this was basically Emp's only push this game. However the followup he made to his own case feels weird. It's like he's still scum reading Jean but doesn't want to push him really.
I'm a bit torn of how to interpret this. Anyone else have some thoughts?
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Really think jealous is almost lock town.
If I get lynched today just never touch him
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On June 30 2016 03:25 Tictock wrote:I took another look at Moosy' filter to see if any of his posts involving Jean were revealing, but they weren't. So went to Emp's filter instead. This post gave me pause when I first saw it... Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 11:12 emperorchampion wrote:For Jean Valjean: I think that he was overly defensive of the slight scum lean that Artanis gave him. On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. I think I can understand his post from the mentality of "I contributed as much as I could with the limited time I have". But these responses seem very heavy handed: On June 26 2016 08:27 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. On June 26 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. That's just an objective statement. I have said very little and acknowledged that my contributions would be lacking today. If you want to call me mafia you have to explain why what little I have said is no useful. I am almost certain you are mafia by now. On June 26 2016 08:31 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 08:27 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. On June 26 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. That's just an objective statement. I have said very little and acknowledged that my contributions would be lacking today. If you want to call me mafia you have to explain why what little I have said is no useful. I am almost certain you are mafia by now. So I'm mafia for applying a reason you called Damdred mafia for onto you? Must mean you're like 110% mafia then, especially since you didn't explain it for Damdred yourself. First of all, I wasn't talking about Damdred, I was talking about Superbia, a player that generally can be fairly helpful. In addition, he has posted three pages of content, something that I clearly haven't done, so the direction of his posts has become clear, while I would argue the direction of my posts is not yet clear. It is unreasonable to call someone mafia for not posting helpful things when he has posted 3 posts in general. If you want to call me mafia for being inactive that's fine, if you think I'm actively lurking and avoiding posting, that's fine too. I just think the rationale you just gave is both unreasonable and opportunistic. I don't believe you think your own reasoning is valid, and that means you must be mafia. Another thing that gives me pause was his calling out of super: On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Very little Superbia has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. While he also seems to be fairly aware of supers' meta here:
I was talking about Superbia, a player that generally can be fairly helpful
Two things: 1) I think that Super has had some direction, and I think I have a fairly good read on the way Super plays. 2) Something that I find odd about all of this is that there had been no mention of Moosy at all in this "you haven't contributed anything useful" line of thinking. From his posts so far this is what I have seen: 1) He is admittedly not very involved 2) He has read through Super's and my filter, which he believes are empty but he gives no mention of Moosy's lack of contributions 3) Very defensive posting Overall I'm not thrilled with his responses, and I will be very interested to see the level of his interactions as the game progresses. Then I found the small follow up he made later one (he messed up the code in that post but this was directly responding to his own points from the above. Show nested quote +
I believe that the three points above can easily be explained by someone who is afk, ie you don't have time to look through the entire game, you just read filter, you've given a reason that you are away and someone leans scum on you for not believing that reason. This in a way makes sense to me.
Jean's activity since then I'm not so sure. It seems like he is willing to invest time in the game now, and he has been making posts that are at odds with his opening goals. I would be interested to hear others opinions on this matter though, since he seems to be heavily town read.
This is actually kinda confusing, but given that Emp's main point was that Jean wasn't considering Moosy as scum I'm half tempted to just conclude that the scum team decided to bus each other all game. At first I thought this might actually prove Jean is town, especially since this was basically Emp's only push this game. However the followup he made to his own case feels weird. It's like he's still scum reading Jean but doesn't want to push him really. I'm a bit torn of how to interpret this. Anyone else have some thoughts?
It's a form of distancing IMO just in case Jean or ec flips both get slight cred I think.
Kind of confusing though tbh
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I think we should just do chezinu btw. =/
I'm just scared he's a PR and isn't here atm.
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On June 30 2016 03:36 Superbia wrote:
I think we should just do chezinu btw. =/
I'm just scared he's a PR and isn't here atm.
Is it weird that I actually highly prefer a Jean lynch to Chez?
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Like I feel like most of the people mainly up for the lynch have been decently townie today.
I've been sheeping Artanis on Chezinu but idk. It's either chez or Damdred.
I don't think I want to yolo lynch Jean today.
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On June 30 2016 03:39 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 03:36 Superbia wrote:
I think we should just do chezinu btw. =/
I'm just scared he's a PR and isn't here atm. Is it weird that I actually highly prefer a Jean lynch to Chez?
No. I can maybe see it.
It's just a very risky play. x;
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