EPTOn June 30 2016 04:14 Skynx wrote:
Bah I'm so nakkered but w/e, whats up then?
Bah I'm so nakkered but w/e, whats up then?
We're lynching our mayor whom lynched mafia D1 because he's probably mafia.
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
We're lynching our mayor whom lynched mafia D1 because he's probably mafia. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can't really get anything out of the vote counts. We already know MD committed suicide-by-mayor and EC ended up parking his vote on TW (off-wagon) and didn't come back until 90 min past deadline. Could've actually been AFK, could've been strategical, but there's strategical reasons for him to be afk whether JVJ is scum or not. He positioned himself in a way that he couldn't end up voting for either wagon but could probably justify a vote on either still. I also went through Chez's filter but didn't find much in it to sway me one way or the other. Bleh. Compare Chez's filter with his efforts in, for example, Names are hard, where he actually contributed to hunting scum. Sure, he might be full on troll this game and only part time troll last game, and I'll be the first to admit, I am terrible at reading trolling or weird players (I mentioned this with Moosy and Chez at some point on Day 1). None of this changes the fact that I have this expectation that in his own weird way Chez is always going to be useful to town. That is precisely the reason I enjoy playing with him despite him being a troll, which is something I generally don't like. He is actually a capable scum hunter and he is very much able to help town win when he puts his mind to it, and none of this is what I've seen so far. Not to mention, this is getting to be almost PoE. I have no idea if scumdred or scumtock would have the balls to attack me. I know you would, but I just have too many reasons to give you a pass today. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
60% JVJ 37% Chez 3% Superbia/Skynx 0% anyone else. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:12 Jean Valjean wrote: I genuinely think I am being lynched for playing like town. The only argument I've actually seen against me the one Damdred mentioned about me trying to figure out the game with incomplete information. Everyone, and I mean literally everyone, has at absolutely best skimmed every post in the game. It's much more likely people skim and skip parts of the game. I am just honest about it, because you know... I'm transparent and helpful. I like how I'm being totally ignored and your argument is basically "I'm not mafia kus I'm so clearly town" Funnily enough there is a very easy thing you could do to convince me you are in fact town, but you are not doing it... | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:16 Jean Valjean wrote: Compare Chez's filter with his efforts in, for example, Names are hard, where he actually contributed to hunting scum. Sure, he might be full on troll this game and only part time troll last game, and I'll be the first to admit, I am terrible at reading trolling or weird players (I mentioned this with Moosy and Chez at some point on Day 1). None of this changes the fact that I have this expectation that in his own weird way Chez is always going to be useful to town. That is precisely the reason I enjoy playing with him despite him being a troll, which is something I generally don't like. He is actually a capable scum hunter and he is very much able to help town win when he puts his mind to it, and none of this is what I've seen so far. Not to mention, this is getting to be almost PoE. I have no idea if scumdred or scumtock would have the balls to attack me. I know you would, but I just have too many reasons to give you a pass today. Taking a single game from Chez' history doesn't do him justice. He plays differently in just about each game he plays. I agree that he's usually useful as town, but he can also go AFK for extended periods as either alignment. This game it appears he's been busy and he did make some insights here and there, though they were more vague in construct. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:19 Skynx wrote: Wow thats like impossible just cuz he could have easily just go for the other target (I forgot who) cuz no one would blame him for not lynching Moosy cuz of his bs tactics. You are aware bussing is a thing right? And Moosy is someone likely to die at some point anyway. The cred could definitely be worth it. Plus, there'd have been a lot of backlash had he lynched a town Superbia, and in the eventuality of JVJ being scum it has to be him that brings it home. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
So Jean assume this crazy town does in fact lynch you. Would you say Chez should definitely be the next lynch? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On June 30 2016 02:30 Jealous wrote: To remove uncertainty from potentially painful end-game scenarios that have muddled my analytical breakdown of when we CAN or SHOULD lynch Jean, I have a couple of questions: GlowingBear, will you ever use your pardon? If so, in what scenarios and why? If you were in an endgame scenario where you had to choose between Jean and your bodyguard to lynch, who would you lynch? Jean: Under what circumstances would you push a GlowingBear lynch? Whenever my bodyguard is at risk | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The main reason I think you're mafia is because you're playing survivalist and because everyone else bar Chez is extremely Town. Also, mafia does all of those things, are you kidding? Mafia's the party that wants to look good. I'm playing survivalist because that is what I have to do. I don't particularly want to, but I have to. Notice though that in the process I'm still trying to figure the game out. I have laid out reasons for everything I've done. On June 30 2016 04:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Logic is an awful guide in mafia. Townies are illogical as hell whilst mafia's very concerned with it. Some townies are very logical, for example, yours truly. In fact, almost every townie who is actually consistently really good at this game is logical. I mean, it's hard to not ridicule you when your thought process is: Jean wants to stay alive - like a townie Jean lynches mafia - like a townie Jean is logical - like townies should strife to be Jean is transparent - like a townie should be Jean is helpful and willing to engage and explain - like a townie should be Jean fought for the mayor role - something mafia NEVER does Conclusion: Jean is mafia. Q.E.D I am of course massively frustrated with both myself for not figuring out how to beat sense into you guys, and at you guys for being so immensely stupid to think it's even possible I am mafia. Show me ONE mafia in the past year on team liquid who has played a game anywhere like what I've done here. Even the best scum players cling to weak arguments, are uncooperative and don't show the leadership I've shown. You are lynching objectively the most townie player you have ever seen on TL Mafia. No I'm not one of those people who can throw a tantrum or say something dumb and become an innocent child in the process, but I have, for all intents and purposes, played what should be an exemplary perfect town game. I let logic guide me to a scum lynch. I made sure scum had no shot at the mayor role, and I've argued and fought in the reasonable and helpful way we want this forum to work in, and the reward is an inane suspicion from people whose best reasons to attack me is literally "he's trying to survive" and "he's trying to solve the game BUT admits not having read every post". It is no wonder we have the behavioral issues we have on this site, the only way people will believe anything you say is if you become an emotional trainwreck, something I will not allow myself to do because I am trying to set an example here. Even if it means getting lynched, which I believe should be every town's #1 priority to avoid. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:26 Jean Valjean wrote: I'm playing survivalist because that is what I have to do. I don't particularly want to, but I have to. Notice though that in the process I'm still trying to figure the game out. I have laid out reasons for everything I've done. Some townies are very logical, for example, yours truly. In fact, almost every townie who is actually consistently really good at this game is logical. I mean, it's hard to not ridicule you when your thought process is: Jean wants to stay alive - like a townie Jean lynches mafia - like a townie Jean is logical - like townies should strife to be Jean is transparent - like a townie should be Jean is helpful and willing to engage and explain - like a townie should be Jean fought for the mayor role - something mafia NEVER does Conclusion: Jean is mafia. Q.E.D I am of course massively frustrated with both myself for not figuring out how to beat sense into you guys, and at you guys for being so immensely stupid to think it's even possible I am mafia. Show me ONE mafia in the past year on team liquid who has played a game anywhere like what I've done here. Even the best scum players cling to weak arguments, are uncooperative and don't show the leadership I've shown. You are lynching objectively the most townie player you have ever seen on TL Mafia. No I'm not one of those people who can throw a tantrum or say something dumb and become an innocent child in the process, but I have, for all intents and purposes, played what should be an exemplary perfect town game. I let logic guide me to a scum lynch. I made sure scum had no shot at the mayor role, and I've argued and fought in the reasonable and helpful way we want this forum to work in, and the reward is an inane suspicion from people whose best reasons to attack me is literally "he's trying to survive" and "he's trying to solve the game BUT admits not having read every post". It is no wonder we have the behavioral issues we have on this site, the only way people will believe anything you say is if you become an emotional trainwreck, something I will not allow myself to do because I am trying to set an example here. Even if it means getting lynched, which I believe should be every town's #1 priority to avoid. These comments make it really, really hard not to just want to afk lynch you and stop talking to you. For someone who claims to be playing to win you're not doing a very good job at diplomacy. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You are aware bussing is a thing right? And Moosy is someone likely to die at some point anyway. The cred could definitely be worth it. Plus, there'd have been a lot of backlash had he lynched a town Superbia, and in the eventuality of JVJ being scum it has to be him that brings it home. Alright so here are few reasons why this is not that good of a strategy: 1) Moosy nearly always survive day1 the way I understand the meta so if you really want to bus someone the target definitely should've been emp cuz some were sr'ing him anyway. 2) Emperor didn't really bus Moosy or tried to get credit for the kill either which he has done in newbie mafia. 3) If he really want's to get cred as mafia I'd think he woulda add some flair to his post like how HF or Palmar does, you know one of those 'I'm a fkin god' memes. I think his cred for his kill kinda went under the radar. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:23 Tictock wrote: Eh maybe not. So Jean assume this crazy town does in fact lynch you. Would you say Chez should definitely be the next lynch? Probably Chez Possibly Artanis, but that's mostly because I don't want to live in a world where he is this bad and town. It's based on nothing but Artanis' skill level at the game. Maybe Skynx, in face of overwhelming ignorance he seems to KNOW I am town, and his contributions dropped off quite fast. I don't want to call for people's head for not being bad, but who knows. My suspicions on him is mostly based on his strong early game and weak game ever since (which might be mafia indicative). In general, I believe the game will sort of solve itself. GB is confirmed and unkillable so mafia must hunt for the bodyguard. We definitely have one unclaimed blue role so there's that too, which might help. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: These comments make it really, really hard not to just want to afk lynch you and stop talking to you. For someone who claims to be playing to win you're not doing a very good job at diplomacy. I don't really care, I'm trying to convince everyone else but you by posting. You specifically I have decided to cut my losses with, sometimes you can't argue with stupid. I think you're awful at scumhunting if you're town, at least this game, and I don't want to be diplomatic with you. I want to convince everyone else that I am not mafia. I think that is the best way forward. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:33 Skynx wrote: Alright so here are few reasons why this is not that good of a strategy: 1) Moosy nearly always survive day1 the way I understand the meta so if you really want to bus someone the target definitely should've been emp cuz some were sr'ing him anyway. 2) Emperor didn't really bus Moosy or tried to get credit for the kill either which he has done in newbie mafia. 3) If he really want's to get cred as mafia I'd think he woulda add some flair to his post like how HF or Palmar does, you know one of those 'I'm a fkin god' memes. I think his cred for his kill kinda went under the radar. 1) Yeah, but Moosy will die at some point in the game before LYLO. When he's mayor and pulls the trigger, he gets the cred. 2) Uhh? We know for a fact both Emperor and Moosy were scum so I'm not sure what you're getting at here. 3) He kind of has been, but he couldn't do it too much given he stated it wasn't as much of a lynch where he expected to hit scum as much as it was policy and how they 'should' flip mafia in that situation. Thinking of that, that might actually be the best reason yet why he might be town. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:19 Tictock wrote: I like how I'm being totally ignored and your argument is basically "I'm not mafia kus I'm so clearly town" Funnily enough there is a very easy thing you could do to convince me you are in fact town, but you are not doing it... And what would that be? I'm also willing to learn, as today has demonstrated i'm far from a perfect player. I know this particular issue is a massive weakness of mine (I always end up being assumed to be the "hidden mafia"). I wish I knew how to get the supertown status with no suspicions attached to it. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:30 GlowingBear wrote: Stop defending yourself JVJ. Get us a lynch. I'm 100% against lynching you I think Chez is most likely, I already explained why. Like I have this feeling that Chez almost always indicates in some weird way (often through lists) how he's thinking about the game. He has not done that here. | ||
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