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On June 30 2016 04:40 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +It is no wonder we have the behavioral issues we have on this site, the only way people will believe anything you say is if you become an emotional trainwreck, something I will not allow myself to do because I am trying to set an example here. Even if it means getting lynched, which I believe should be every town's #1 priority to avoid. This is ironically a very emotionally based statement. I don't think this is actually true though some people like to use emotional reactions to base their reads on. Besides "he's trying to survive" is a very valid method of scum hunting. Motivations behind posting is very much something to be considered. Now that I'm thinking about it, you've been very vocal about how Town should play ... but I'm interested in what your thinking is regarding the best method town should employ when hunting scum.
1) everyone tries to survive. Read my #1 commandment on playing town, it's basically "try not to get lynched".
2) Everyone has their own way of scumhunting. I could write an essay about it, but it's usually a combination of multiple factors. Take current Artanis for example, he's very much a combination read for me.
Scumpoint: Artanis is a good player who is playing extremely badly
Townpoint: Artanis has a long filter
Townpoint: Artanis is jolly and willing to chase random things, like smurfhunting, he's also being a dick in a way that feels townie
Scumpoint: His logic was way off on day 1 and he let himself be pushed around
Townpoint: He's still actively playing when his meta suggests he would usually quit or lower his effort as scum when this far behind.
Townpoint: He is making a big play if he's mafia. If he knows I'll flip town he also knows massive attention will come to him when I'm dead.
Scumpoint: He is one of the few players who might go for the "go big or go home" approach, sort of contesting my pervious point
These are just random thoughts. Then there's tone in individual posts and interactions, and I don't weigh all points equally. In general it's easiest to find mafia when someone ticks many scum boxes. This means of course that my read on Artanis is swingy and conflicted, but in general I don't want to kill him becuase there's simply too many reasons not to.
Because no one that is actually playing in this town ticks all the scum boxes, I simply think the most straightforward play is to kill Chezinu, who is uncharacteristically useless and by process of elimination the most likely to flip mafia.
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On June 30 2016 04:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 30 2016 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:
EC was really important for Mafia for he was the rolecop. With the rolecop ability EC could find the bodyguard faster. That's why Moosy sacrificed himself. That's why Mafia probably voted Jean Valjean day1 (so Mafia wouldn't lose probably their most important role).
That's why Damdred, voting me then hammering Jean, should be the most suspicious person to you guys. Regardless of his play, all hard evidence points him to be EC's partner. It amuses me that you guys are town reading Damdred after all that. He needs to get out of our way, no matter how townie you believe Damdred can be. I'm talking about HARD EVIDENCE. Come on GB, you know just as well as I do that some people are incapable of doing certain things as mafia. Faking emotions is a big weak spot for Damdred. He doesn't get this upset in this way, nor would he not have conceded by now. Given he KNOWS there's NO WAY he won't be lynched before lylo he would've already conceded. He also wouldn't have tried this hard during the day. I don't really think he was emotional in this game and I'm not sure he wouldn't concede. This argument is WIFOM, btw. That may be exactly what he wants you to think.
Oh come on, be realistic. Damdred has a scumteam of MD and EC whom die before D2 even starts. He has to live through D2, D3, D4, and D5 and you think he tries this hard?
Give this a good, hard think through, please.
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Art, the only way I won't try to lynch damdy today is if you don't try to lynch Jean today.
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On June 30 2016 04:47 Tumblewood wrote:
I don't think Jean ever has the balls to act this way as mafia. I would be incredulous if he pulled off that sort of bullying into power as scum.
Did you keep track of 1-day mafia? rayn was the #1 townread of everyone who turned out to be gf. I don't think its fair to disregard some1 being maf cuz if intentional aggressive or 'bullying' kinda play style being too much.
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Chez is and always will be a wild card. Don't think he's scummy but I really don't want to bring him to LyLo.
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On June 30 2016 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also he might've been looking to see if he could get away with lynching someone else if he's mafia. But it doesn't matter, JVJ's emotional-trainwreck post that claims not to be an emotional trainwreck probably makes him town. I just find it very difficult to actually vote for my friend 
Literally the cancer that's killing TL Mafia.
Hint: I am perfectly aware my recent posting is emotional (despite claiming it isn't), does that change your opinion?
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On June 30 2016 04:52 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:40 Tictock wrote:It is no wonder we have the behavioral issues we have on this site, the only way people will believe anything you say is if you become an emotional trainwreck, something I will not allow myself to do because I am trying to set an example here. Even if it means getting lynched, which I believe should be every town's #1 priority to avoid. This is ironically a very emotionally based statement. I don't think this is actually true though some people like to use emotional reactions to base their reads on. Besides "he's trying to survive" is a very valid method of scum hunting. Motivations behind posting is very much something to be considered. Now that I'm thinking about it, you've been very vocal about how Town should play ... but I'm interested in what your thinking is regarding the best method town should employ when hunting scum. 1) everyone tries to survive. Read my #1 commandment on playing town, it's basically "try not to get lynched". 2) Everyone has their own way of scumhunting. I could write an essay about it, but it's usually a combination of multiple factors. Take current Artanis for example, he's very much a combination read for me. Scumpoint: Artanis is a good player who is playing extremely badlyTownpoint: Artanis has a long filter Townpoint: Artanis is jolly and willing to chase random things, like smurfhunting, he's also being a dick in a way that feels townie Scumpoint: His logic was way off on day 1 and he let himself be pushed around Townpoint: He's still actively playing when his meta suggests he would usually quit or lower his effort as scum when this far behind. Townpoint: He is making a big play if he's mafia. If he knows I'll flip town he also knows massive attention will come to him when I'm dead. Scumpoint: He is one of the few players who might go for the "go big or go home" approach, sort of contesting my pervious point These are just random thoughts. Then there's tone in individual posts and interactions, and I don't weigh all points equally. In general it's easiest to find mafia when someone ticks many scum boxes. This means of course that my read on Artanis is swingy and conflicted, but in general I don't want to kill him becuase there's simply too many reasons not to. Because no one that is actually playing in this town ticks all the scum boxes, I simply think the most straightforward play is to kill Chezinu, who is uncharacteristically useless and by process of elimination the most likely to flip mafia.
Oh, shut it. If it is in fact Chez then I've never given a hard townread on any scum and I managed to clear my name quite solidly. Your dickwaving happening during D1 also did little but prove you have a giant ego.
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On June 30 2016 04:54 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Also he might've been looking to see if he could get away with lynching someone else if he's mafia. But it doesn't matter, JVJ's emotional-trainwreck post that claims not to be an emotional trainwreck probably makes him town. I just find it very difficult to actually vote for my friend Literally the cancer that's killing TL Mafia. Hint: I am perfectly aware my recent posting is emotional (despite claiming it isn't), does that change your opinion?
Nope.
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On June 30 2016 04:51 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:
EC was really important for Mafia for he was the rolecop. With the rolecop ability EC could find the bodyguard faster. That's why Moosy sacrificed himself. That's why Mafia probably voted Jean Valjean day1 (so Mafia wouldn't lose probably their most important role).
That's why Damdred, voting me then hammering Jean, should be the most suspicious person to you guys. Regardless of his play, all hard evidence points him to be EC's partner. It amuses me that you guys are town reading Damdred after all that. He needs to get out of our way, no matter how townie you believe Damdred can be. I'm talking about HARD EVIDENCE. Great post. Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote:These lynches are wrong. We're not hunting a confirmed scum here, we're just considering options. "Hmmm, I'm not feeling like chocolate today so lemme get strawberry ice cream" is wrong, it should be "Oh, I'm definitely feeling like caramel today!" I feel like no one has been conclusive with their reasonings why someone can be scum. We should try a different approach.Here is a thought, you know who's name haven't been mentioned at all by anyone today? + Show Spoiler + You've already responded to what I believe was the conclusive reasoning on Damdred, so I don't see how you can say this.
You were, I'm talking about accusations against Jeal/JVJ mostly, Damdred is my lynch.
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So GB...
On June 25 2016 09:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 09:27 Damdred wrote:
Oh emperor is interesting opinions would,be nice. i'm p sure he's town tbh.
You think Moosy is defending his scum buddy Emp from his scum buddy Damdred here?
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On June 30 2016 04:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, the only way I won't try to lynch damdy today is if you don't try to lynch Jean today.
That's what I'm doing. Chop chop.
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On June 30 2016 04:53 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:47 Tumblewood wrote:
I don't think Jean ever has the balls to act this way as mafia. I would be incredulous if he pulled off that sort of bullying into power as scum. Did you keep track of 1-day mafia? rayn was the #1 townread of everyone who turned out to be gf. I don't think its fair to disregard some1 being maf cuz if intentional aggressive or 'bullying' kinda play style being too much.
It would help to know for sure who he is, but the only times I am aware of that ever happening are holyflare in Himalayas mafia and apparently rayn in one-day. Not impossible but very unlikely.
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On June 30 2016 04:48 Jealous wrote:
You can't really blame JVJ for "trying to survive" because as I said when I was under pressure, both town and scum have that in their best interest and in their faction's best interest. Town wants to live to prevent a mislynch that would extend scum's lifetime, scum wants to live to scum at night.
When this wagon first formed, I thought it was purely to a light a fire under JVJ's ass and force him to devote some time to D2 and making reads, but at this point I feel like you guys are wasting valuable time that could be spent having him contribute to other reads with greater depth because you force him on the defensive. If he didn't have to deal with the repeated badgering, he might do something that is better for the town as a whole - i.e., provide detailed reads. This would be to town's benefit whether he is town or not, and some of the things he may say would be more AI than him trying to stay alive.
So, in pursuing that line of thought: JVJ, why not Damdred? I posted a pretty detailed list of posts from him and my interpretation of them. Despite you saying that you like my play, you seem to not even have him on your radar. Cut your losses on defense and consider that the best defense could be a good offense.
This guy is my hero.
I haven't read Damdred, what little time I've had here today has been spent defending myself.
In addition, I made a comment early on in day 1 that "Damdred had a post that sounded like an actual human being", and his annoyance at not getting the respect he thinks he deserves means he's slightly less likely to be mafia.
And tbh... I forgot about him.
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^ That plus I kinda agree with Art, Scumdred prob would have conceded given the pressure and evidence I was piling against him are why I'm reading Damdred as town now.
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Like I read Jealous' case and it's actually somewhat valid. I'm gonna go freshen up on it. Maybe the best player in the game had the solution for us all along.
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On June 30 2016 04:49 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:34 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 30 2016 04:23 Tictock wrote:
Eh maybe not.
So Jean assume this crazy town does in fact lynch you.
Would you say Chez should definitely be the next lynch? Probably Chez Possibly Artanis, but that's mostly because I don't want to live in a world where he is this bad and town. It's based on nothing but Artanis' skill level at the game. Maybe Skynx, in face of overwhelming ignorance he seems to KNOW I am town, and his contributions dropped off quite fast. I don't want to call for people's head for not being bad, but who knows. My suspicions on him is mostly based on his strong early game and weak game ever since (which might be mafia indicative). In general, I believe the game will sort of solve itself. GB is confirmed and unkillable so mafia must hunt for the bodyguard. We definitely have one unclaimed blue role so there's that too, which might help. I do apologise for my absence. It's basically due to the fact that after my 1st scum game, I think I played 1 very good town game and playing good right now aswell so I got lazy because i was so town. Also other stuff like work and all but lack of activity today is purely due to lazyness
This is a relatively townie response to be honest. (tonally)
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Alright lets try this, who's everyone's next target if Damdred dies tonight?
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On June 30 2016 04:59 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:49 Skynx wrote:On June 30 2016 04:34 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 30 2016 04:23 Tictock wrote:
Eh maybe not.
So Jean assume this crazy town does in fact lynch you.
Would you say Chez should definitely be the next lynch? Probably Chez Possibly Artanis, but that's mostly because I don't want to live in a world where he is this bad and town. It's based on nothing but Artanis' skill level at the game. Maybe Skynx, in face of overwhelming ignorance he seems to KNOW I am town, and his contributions dropped off quite fast. I don't want to call for people's head for not being bad, but who knows. My suspicions on him is mostly based on his strong early game and weak game ever since (which might be mafia indicative). In general, I believe the game will sort of solve itself. GB is confirmed and unkillable so mafia must hunt for the bodyguard. We definitely have one unclaimed blue role so there's that too, which might help. I do apologise for my absence. It's basically due to the fact that after my 1st scum game, I think I played 1 very good town game and playing good right now aswell so I got lazy because i was so town. Also other stuff like work and all but lack of activity today is purely due to lazyness This is a relatively townie response to be honest. (tonally)
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On June 30 2016 04:51 Tumblewood wrote:
I also don't like the way that tt jumped on Jean after art brought it up. He wasn't thinking about Jean until art made a case (which was not so convincing) and then immediately jumped on him.
I don't know if this is true and reading jealous' case right now so can't check it. Maybe it's valid, who knows.
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On June 30 2016 04:53 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:47 Tumblewood wrote:
I don't think Jean ever has the balls to act this way as mafia. I would be incredulous if he pulled off that sort of bullying into power as scum. Did you keep track of 1-day mafia? rayn was the #1 townread of everyone who turned out to be gf. I don't think its fair to disregard some1 being maf cuz if intentional aggressive or 'bullying' kinda play style being too much.
This sounds like you should be considering a Jean lynch...
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