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It is no wonder we have the behavioral issues we have on this site, the only way people will believe anything you say is if you become an emotional trainwreck, something I will not allow myself to do because I am trying to set an example here. Even if it means getting lynched, which I believe should be every town's #1 priority to avoid.
This is ironically a very emotionally based statement.
I don't think this is actually true though some people like to use emotional reactions to base their reads on.
Besides "he's trying to survive" is a very valid method of scum hunting. Motivations behind posting is very much something to be considered.
Now that I'm thinking about it, you've been very vocal about how Town should play ... but I'm interested in what your thinking is regarding the best method town should employ when hunting scum.
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That was directed towards Jean in case that's not obv.
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EC was really important for Mafia for he was the rolecop. With the rolecop ability EC could find the bodyguard faster. That's why Moosy sacrificed himself. That's why Mafia probably voted Jean Valjean day1 (so Mafia wouldn't lose probably their most important role).
That's why Damdred, voting me then hammering Jean, should be the most suspicious person to you guys. Regardless of his play, all hard evidence points him to be EC's partner. It amuses me that you guys are town reading Damdred after all that. He needs to get out of our way, no matter how townie you believe Damdred can be. I'm talking about HARD EVIDENCE.
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These lynches are wrong. We're not hunting a confirmed scum here, we're just considering options. "Hmmm, I'm not feeling like chocolate today so lemme get strawberry ice cream" is wrong, it should be "Oh, I'm definitely feeling like caramel today!"
I feel like no one has been conclusive with their reasonings why someone can be scum. We should try a different approach.
Here is a thought, you know who's name haven't been mentioned at all by anyone today?
+ Show Spoiler +
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On June 30 2016 04:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Stop defending yourself JVJ. Get us a lynch. I'm 100% against lynching you
Is Jean just never scum for you?
This is actually kinda important kus you are likely making it very far in this game.
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On June 30 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote:These lynches are wrong. We're not hunting a confirmed scum here, we're just considering options. "Hmmm, I'm not feeling like chocolate today so lemme get strawberry ice cream" is wrong, it should be "Oh, I'm definitely feeling like caramel today!" I feel like no one has been conclusive with their reasonings why someone can be scum. We should try a different approach. Here is a thought, you know who's name haven't been mentioned at all by anyone today? + Show Spoiler +
TW is town. It's probably just Chez actually 
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On June 30 2016 04:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:33 Skynx wrote:On June 30 2016 04:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 30 2016 04:19 Skynx wrote:
Wow thats like impossible just cuz he could have easily just go for the other target (I forgot who) cuz no one would blame him for not lynching Moosy cuz of his bs tactics. You are aware bussing is a thing right? And Moosy is someone likely to die at some point anyway. The cred could definitely be worth it. Plus, there'd have been a lot of backlash had he lynched a town Superbia, and in the eventuality of JVJ being scum it has to be him that brings it home. Alright so here are few reasons why this is not that good of a strategy: 1) Moosy nearly always survive day1 the way I understand the meta so if you really want to bus someone the target definitely should've been emp cuz some were sr'ing him anyway. 2) Emperor didn't really bus Moosy or tried to get credit for the kill either which he has done in newbie mafia. 3) If he really want's to get cred as mafia I'd think he woulda add some flair to his post like how HF or Palmar does, you know one of those 'I'm a fkin god' memes. I think his cred for his kill kinda went under the radar. 1) Yeah, but Moosy will die at some point in the game before LYLO. When he's mayor and pulls the trigger, he gets the cred. 2) Uhh? We know for a fact both Emperor and Moosy were scum so I'm not sure what you're getting at here. 3) He kind of has been, but he couldn't do it too much given he stated it wasn't as much of a lynch where he expected to hit scum as much as it was policy and how they 'should' flip mafia in that situation. Thinking of that, that might actually be the best reason yet why he might be town.
2) emp was getting scumread very highly. If lynching Moosy was a mafia decision he would surely put up some case on why we should lynch Moosy. I dunno how thats complicated...
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On June 30 2016 04:44 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 30 2016 04:33 Skynx wrote:On June 30 2016 04:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 30 2016 04:19 Skynx wrote:
Wow thats like impossible just cuz he could have easily just go for the other target (I forgot who) cuz no one would blame him for not lynching Moosy cuz of his bs tactics. You are aware bussing is a thing right? And Moosy is someone likely to die at some point anyway. The cred could definitely be worth it. Plus, there'd have been a lot of backlash had he lynched a town Superbia, and in the eventuality of JVJ being scum it has to be him that brings it home. Alright so here are few reasons why this is not that good of a strategy: 1) Moosy nearly always survive day1 the way I understand the meta so if you really want to bus someone the target definitely should've been emp cuz some were sr'ing him anyway. 2) Emperor didn't really bus Moosy or tried to get credit for the kill either which he has done in newbie mafia. 3) If he really want's to get cred as mafia I'd think he woulda add some flair to his post like how HF or Palmar does, you know one of those 'I'm a fkin god' memes. I think his cred for his kill kinda went under the radar. 1) Yeah, but Moosy will die at some point in the game before LYLO. When he's mayor and pulls the trigger, he gets the cred. 2) Uhh? We know for a fact both Emperor and Moosy were scum so I'm not sure what you're getting at here. 3) He kind of has been, but he couldn't do it too much given he stated it wasn't as much of a lynch where he expected to hit scum as much as it was policy and how they 'should' flip mafia in that situation. Thinking of that, that might actually be the best reason yet why he might be town. 2) emp was getting scumread very highly. If lynching Moosy was a mafia decision he would surely put up some case on why we should lynch Moosy. I dunno how thats complicated...
2) Doesn't really need to when he's the one pulling the trigger. MD flipping red would give him all the cred he needs.
I think it's Chez though. Mostly PoE.
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Also, considering how important EC was as the rolecop, to the point Moosy sacrifices himself, it makes it more likely that Jean Valjean is town.
There is literally NOTHING to use against Jean Valjean other than TMI (weak argument) and stiff ganeplay (debatable, since I think he had very emotional posts that made him look townie. It's basically myself in that game Blazinghand was Mafia and people kept pushing me)
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Also he might've been looking to see if he could get away with lynching someone else if he's mafia. But it doesn't matter, JVJ's emotional-trainwreck post that claims not to be an emotional trainwreck probably makes him town.
I just find it very difficult to actually vote for my friend
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On June 30 2016 04:43 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Stop defending yourself JVJ. Get us a lynch. I'm 100% against lynching you Is Jean just never scum for you? This is actually kinda important kus you are likely making it very far in this game.
Jean Valjean CAN be scum. But is he scummier than Damdred or more useless than chez? No. So we lynch the scummiest/the person which we have less information.
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I don't think Jean ever has the balls to act this way as mafia. I would be incredulous if he pulled off that sort of bullying into power as scum.
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You can't really blame JVJ for "trying to survive" because as I said when I was under pressure, both town and scum have that in their best interest and in their faction's best interest. Town wants to live to prevent a mislynch that would extend scum's lifetime, scum wants to live to scum at night.
When this wagon first formed, I thought it was purely to a light a fire under JVJ's ass and force him to devote some time to D2 and making reads, but at this point I feel like you guys are wasting valuable time that could be spent having him contribute to other reads with greater depth because you force him on the defensive. If he didn't have to deal with the repeated badgering, he might do something that is better for the town as a whole - i.e., provide detailed reads. This would be to town's benefit whether he is town or not, and some of the things he may say would be more AI than him trying to stay alive.
So, in pursuing that line of thought: JVJ, why not Damdred? I posted a pretty detailed list of posts from him and my interpretation of them. Despite you saying that you like my play, you seem to not even have him on your radar. Cut your losses on defense and consider that the best defense could be a good offense.
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On June 30 2016 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:
EC was really important for Mafia for he was the rolecop. With the rolecop ability EC could find the bodyguard faster. That's why Moosy sacrificed himself. That's why Mafia probably voted Jean Valjean day1 (so Mafia wouldn't lose probably their most important role).
That's why Damdred, voting me then hammering Jean, should be the most suspicious person to you guys. Regardless of his play, all hard evidence points him to be EC's partner. It amuses me that you guys are town reading Damdred after all that. He needs to get out of our way, no matter how townie you believe Damdred can be. I'm talking about HARD EVIDENCE.
Come on GB, you know just as well as I do that some people are incapable of doing certain things as mafia. Faking emotions is a big weak spot for Damdred. He doesn't get this upset in this way, nor would he not have conceded by now. Given he KNOWS there's NO WAY he won't be lynched before lylo he would've already conceded.
He also wouldn't have tried this hard during the day.
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On June 30 2016 04:34 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:23 Tictock wrote:
Eh maybe not.
So Jean assume this crazy town does in fact lynch you.
Would you say Chez should definitely be the next lynch? Probably Chez Possibly Artanis, but that's mostly because I don't want to live in a world where he is this bad and town. It's based on nothing but Artanis' skill level at the game. Maybe Skynx, in face of overwhelming ignorance he seems to KNOW I am town, and his contributions dropped off quite fast. I don't want to call for people's head for not being bad, but who knows. My suspicions on him is mostly based on his strong early game and weak game ever since (which might be mafia indicative). In general, I believe the game will sort of solve itself. GB is confirmed and unkillable so mafia must hunt for the bodyguard. We definitely have one unclaimed blue role so there's that too, which might help.
I do apologise for my absence. It's basically due to the fact that after my 1st scum game, I think I played 1 very good town game and playing good right now aswell so I got lazy because i was so town. Also other stuff like work and all but lack of activity today is purely due to lazyness
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On June 30 2016 04:34 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:23 Tictock wrote:
Eh maybe not.
So Jean assume this crazy town does in fact lynch you.
Would you say Chez should definitely be the next lynch? Probably Chez Possibly Artanis, but that's mostly because I don't want to live in a world where he is this bad and town. It's based on nothing but Artanis' skill level at the game. Maybe Skynx, in face of overwhelming ignorance he seems to KNOW I am town, and his contributions dropped off quite fast. I don't want to call for people's head for not being bad, but who knows. My suspicions on him is mostly based on his strong early game and weak game ever since (which might be mafia indicative). In general, I believe the game will sort of solve itself. GB is confirmed and unkillable so mafia must hunt for the bodyguard. We definitely have one unclaimed blue role so there's that too, which might help.
Eh I'm pretty sure Skynx is town, but half of that is based off how he played as mafia last game.
I would kinda expect Scum to be all for lynching you but I could maybe see them holding back and defending you to avoid suspicions from this kinda out there push.
I'm not sure why scum!Art would go from defending Damdred to yolo pushing you, especially when he's also been hard town reading Chez. He's kinda limiting his options too much with those kinda hard townreads to be scum imo.
Chez, I admit I'm not sure about.
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I also don't like the way that tt jumped on Jean after art brought it up. He wasn't thinking about Jean until art made a case (which was not so convincing) and then immediately jumped on him.
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On June 30 2016 04:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:
EC was really important for Mafia for he was the rolecop. With the rolecop ability EC could find the bodyguard faster. That's why Moosy sacrificed himself. That's why Mafia probably voted Jean Valjean day1 (so Mafia wouldn't lose probably their most important role).
That's why Damdred, voting me then hammering Jean, should be the most suspicious person to you guys. Regardless of his play, all hard evidence points him to be EC's partner. It amuses me that you guys are town reading Damdred after all that. He needs to get out of our way, no matter how townie you believe Damdred can be. I'm talking about HARD EVIDENCE. Come on GB, you know just as well as I do that some people are incapable of doing certain things as mafia. Faking emotions is a big weak spot for Damdred. He doesn't get this upset in this way, nor would he not have conceded by now. Given he KNOWS there's NO WAY he won't be lynched before lylo he would've already conceded. He also wouldn't have tried this hard during the day.
I don't really think he was emotional in this game and I'm not sure he wouldn't concede. This argument is WIFOM, btw. That may be exactly what he wants you to think.
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I'm sorry my friend, I really am, but I have no choice to save my other friend.. May you find peace with your comrades.
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On June 30 2016 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:
EC was really important for Mafia for he was the rolecop. With the rolecop ability EC could find the bodyguard faster. That's why Moosy sacrificed himself. That's why Mafia probably voted Jean Valjean day1 (so Mafia wouldn't lose probably their most important role).
That's why Damdred, voting me then hammering Jean, should be the most suspicious person to you guys. Regardless of his play, all hard evidence points him to be EC's partner. It amuses me that you guys are town reading Damdred after all that. He needs to get out of our way, no matter how townie you believe Damdred can be. I'm talking about HARD EVIDENCE.
Great post.
On June 30 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote:These lynches are wrong. We're not hunting a confirmed scum here, we're just considering options. "Hmmm, I'm not feeling like chocolate today so lemme get strawberry ice cream" is wrong, it should be "Oh, I'm definitely feeling like caramel today!" I feel like no one has been conclusive with their reasonings why someone can be scum. We should try a different approach.Here is a thought, you know who's name haven't been mentioned at all by anyone today? + Show Spoiler +
You've already responded to what I believe was the conclusive reasoning on Damdred, so I don't see how you can say this.
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