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On July 01 2015 04:44 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 04:43 Holyflare wrote:On July 01 2015 04:38 Fidei86 wrote: As I've said, I think that a confirmed red check is vastly more reliable than any of the other points people are making or have made so far this game. And no, you constantly posting that you're town does not make you town. Other people reading you town does not make you town. I can't say that any other way. I'd much rather lose the game on the off chance you are extremely unlucky than because we basically picked another vote out of the air.
I think Shockkey is very likely scum. He has spent basically his entire filter ripping on LS and defending himself. Highly unconvincing. Then again, that could just be how he plays. But if people won't lynch you, I'll have to follow my dead teacher and mentor in going on Shockey. Guess who has also done that. Onegu. Guess what makes shockeyy actually more likely to be town than onegu? His participation in the actual game and yes, while he is discrediting LS it looks like he believes what he is saying. Can you say the same thing for Onegu who is pushing ls for something that doesn't even make sense? Shockeyy has posted lots of things in hidden url's in posts that I don't think he would do. On day 2 when GB was claiming cop shockey was constantly posting hidden things saying that if GB switched to him then GB is confirmed scum because GB read shockeyy as town all the cycle. Shockey has also got 6 times the filter size of his largest mafia game. Shockey does not have a red check on him but there is a vast expanse of information that makes Onegu likely mafia that you aren't even looking at because "he's a coin flip" Shockey's filter is six pages long. If his average filter length is one page, then either he gets MLed day 1 a lot, or he's a really bad played.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/111913-tl-mafia-xviii?user=ShoCkeyy
2 pages long in 6 CYCLES
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On July 01 2015 04:43 Fidei86 wrote: I don't think you're an idiot, HF. I think you're actually very smart. I've been told that you're an aspiring lawyer (or possibly a lawyer already?). Anyway, as a smart guy (and as a town person), you would recognise that this bickering between us is not helping town at all. I'm kind of ashamed for having participated in it myself. And you know that your words towards me are not convincing me that you're not scum. So why keep posting?
Because, I care a very great deal about this game. This is one of my only hobbies outside work that I can sink my time into. I don't want to lose after playing not so great because of some silly person saying that they believe a red check over something else because of statistics. I despise people that use statistics. Blazinghand uses statistics almost every game and he is one of the most useless players on the site and I look down on him for it because it isn't playing the game of mafia at all. I am heavily emotionally invested in being right and not being mislynched. I've been mislynched once ever as town and I didn't like it and it was because I was afk and didn't fight back. I tried to avoid it secretly on day 3 even if I knew I kind of had to be lynched to prove GB was a fake cop, I still deep down didn't want to die.
I don't like that you are actively throwing the game, perhaps because you are new and lost or perhaps because you just don't actually care about this game enough. I do. So please don't ruin this game for me because you are being stubborn. At least put some ACTUAL work into the game instead of behaving like a douche to me. I know it's an argument that's being useless perpetuated but I will do anything to convince you of my actual alignment. You should read my past games, please? At the very least read my filter and make your own judgement.
I strongly believe that Onegu is a far better lynch from my 30 games of experience. I just told him to post about the game and he actively just didn't do it. He doesn't really know what's going on and my case on him was actually just great.
I hate people afking and I normally carry the game myself but this game is just impossible because of this fucking red check, it's infuriating. I don't like not being listened to at all. Really really do not like it.
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Even now, where he says i'm lying and that he wasn't playing a game of dota and he was here and going to actively play and win the game. What's he actually doing? Nothing.
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Instead he's actually in a game of dota again. Playing, waiting on the shockeyy mislynch to happen and afking.
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Also you say that players are deflecting off of me so we're probably mafia together. You'll find out post game/in later games that that almost never happens. Mafia hate to associate with each other like that.
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On November 12 2014 20:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2014 16:04 Holyflare wrote:On November 12 2014 15:15 geript wrote: HF is really easy to tell as town because of the difference in how and why he pushes. I hope other people pick up on this. I feel that way too, like I'm pushing really obviously not scummy things as mafia and sticking to it You kinda do. But more importantly you did not give a single fuck in LYLO/MYLO/whatever. At that point it was really really obvious that you were scum. That's the second mafia win handed to you by ritoky - you should make a thread thanking him instead of apologizing to Obi.
^ i mean that's the most accurate meta so far for me i think if you don't trust what i'm saying, you can check to back it up for yourself
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please people, stop afking :'(
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LS if you're not mafia, then why vote for me? You still haven't given a good reason why to vote for me? All you're doing is voting for a town. You vote for me and it's an auto lose. Why not vote for obvious mafia unless you're mafia too?
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On July 01 2015 03:02 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On July 01 2015 02:49 Fidei86 wrote: Onegu played exactly the same way as this in HG and he was town then too. no he plays like that every game and you don't really know what makes the difference between town onegu or mafia onegu Stop being bad. Lynch RuXxar or Shockky today. I am playing now so suck it. Also why does scum onegu not push you today? Like HF can never read me. Since we were in newbies together. @RuXxar Why do I need to defend myself at this point we are still 4 hours from lynch and I am not dieing. And like your only reason for scum reading me is I am not doing anything... Well guess what I am now so your arguement is void. Damdred is being dumb/mafia because he knows for a fact I am willing to vote with my tunneled scum read as town. Also ruXxar the point about you making people look worse, you did it with VA and me right as you came in the game. Shockky because onegu rule. And also knowing my meta and thinking this is my scum play.
I need you to actually do something at all, because basically this is ALL that you gameplan encompasses:
1. Be afk. 2. Show up when people accuse you. 3. Be afk. 4. Show up to vote. 5. Be afk.
And you showing up here and saying "I'm here" doesnt mean that you are ACTUALLY doing something!
Yes I analyzed you as I came into the game and your filter looked like shit. Guess what? It still does.
You're going to call me scum for scumreading you? Really? You even KNEW that you looked like scum, so why do you hold that against me?
On June 21 2015 12:13 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2015 12:05 LightningStrike wrote: ruXxar since you are here I think you should take a look at Onegu I want a outsider perspective from someone who never played with him before and tell me your thoughts on him please. This is so bad. Like obv people who never played with me will see me as anti town and you know it. So why ask someone who never played with me their thoughts?
You don't WANT people to read you because you know you're going to look like scum? What kind of mentality is that? It's like you're shying away from contact with the outside world, but as soon as someone even hints at you being scum you come out claws first and start an OMGUS train against them. You are even aware, as you make abundantly clear in the above post, that your play looks like scum. So tell me this: If you are town, playing in a game trying to win. Why the hell would you continue to play in a way that makes people perceive you as scum?!
1: It gives you no credit. Your opinion isn't going to be worth anything if people don't think you're town. 2: It makes it easy for scum to mislynch you. 3: You make it incredibly hard for town when you get down to a LYLO situation and you've provided basically 0 content that supports you as town.
Do you know how incredibly stupid way of playing that is?
If you are town, and you are playing like this in all your town games, I don't even want to play with you anymore, because honestly you're making the game shit for everyone else trying to invest time into it and actively trying to the best of their ability to win.
YOU DONT WIN AS TOWN BY BEING AFK ALL GAME AND NOT CONTRIBUTING.
And now you show up saying "I'm here" and throw out 1 liners as if that's somehow supposed to be self evident. Like we have some sort of telepathic connection into your brain that will automatically explain the stances you take?!
How about you spend more than 2 minutes to read an accusation against you and actually flesh out your posts with some arguments and logical reasoning.
Bring your own sentiment to the thread, bring new thoughts, ideas, new suspects. You don't show any sign of actually thinking about the game outside of the 2 minutes you spend looking for posts made against you and your OMGUS attack against people.
You say you're going to play? How about you give some REASONING behind what you say instead of throwing out crap like this:
Stop being bad. Lynch RuXxar or Shockky today. ..No explanation
I have dropped my LS read. ..No explanation
On July 01 2015 03:57 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 03:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:On July 01 2015 03:13 Onegu wrote:On July 01 2015 03:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:On July 01 2015 03:02 Onegu wrote:On July 01 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:On July 01 2015 02:49 Fidei86 wrote: Onegu played exactly the same way as this in HG and he was town then too. no he plays like that every game and you don't really know what makes the difference between town onegu or mafia onegu Stop being bad. Lynch RuXxar or Shockky today. I am playing now so suck it. Also why does scum onegu not push you today? Like HF can never read me. Since we were in newbies together. @RuXxar Why do I need to defend myself at this point we are still 4 hours from lynch and I am not dieing. And like your only reason for scum reading me is I am not doing anything... Well guess what I am now so your arguement is void. Damdred is being dumb/mafia because he knows for a fact I am willing to vote with my tunneled scum read as town. Also ruXxar the point about you making people look worse, you did it with VA and me right as you came in the game. Shockky because onegu rule. And also knowing my meta and thinking this is my scum play. Lol onegu rule and b/s I don't know your meta, but you've obviously have done nothing this game. Even when we were mafia together in my first return game, you did more, you did more in my town game. In this game, you've pretty much have done nothing. There's a huge difference in how you've been playing and you should see the same with me, but you just call me mafia because you're mafia and I've outed you. I've given MANY reasons how you can be mafia and all you can say is "onegu rule". Can you honestly say this game is like the game we were scum together in or the game we were town together in? You played way better when we were town together, I also want you to answer the same question. Can you honestly say this game is like the game we were scum together in or the game we were town together in? Scum ...No explanation.
No I thought Mig was tracker with check on scum GB ...No further explanation.
You know how badly I want to lynch you right now? You're lucky. You should've never made it this far. But I'm done with you unless you actually show up and play. It looks like you might make it one more day, I hope you enjoy it.
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k ruxxar is probably town then after all
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On July 01 2015 04:38 Fidei86 wrote: As I've said, I think that a confirmed red check is vastly more reliable than any of the other points people are making or have made so far this game. And no, you constantly posting that you're town does not make you town. Other people reading you town does not make you town. I can't say that any other way. I'd much rather lose the game on the off chance you are extremely unlucky than because we basically picked another vote out of the air.
I think Shockkey is very likely scum. He has spent basically his entire filter ripping on LS and defending himself. Highly unconvincing. Then again, that could just be how he plays. But if people won't lynch you, I'll have to follow my dead teacher and mentor in going on Shockey.
You haven't read LS's filter then, all he talks about the whole game is that I'm scum but gives no GOOOD reason why I'm scum. Here this was his best response as to why I'm scum:
On June 18 2015 13:25 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 13:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 12:34 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 11:26 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote: Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads.
Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you. People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_- Does repeating "im blue" do anything? They know you claimed. Talk about other stuff Ya want to lynch Shockeyy with me? I want you to convince me why I should lynch shockey TLDR Case on Shockeyy: 1. His list post was rather shitty in terms of reasons 2. He been making excuses for his poor play 3. Some of posts seemed forced I will to vote Boxerfred if Shockeyy doesn't appear to be the lynch today but I think Shockeyy is worse than Boxer atm.
He wanted me to help lynch GB Day 1:
On June 19 2015 06:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 19 2015 06:53 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 06:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 19 2015 06:49 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 06:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 19 2015 06:45 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, I'm going against Shockey hmm...i thought you had bf as a main scum read though Ugh I don't know this is super fucking weird. And he still hasn't fucking answered me? Don't you see? This is why I switched. I just posted it out flat for you and him to see why I switched my vote. It just drives me mad when a player can easily avoid me voting them by just answering my question. My read on GB was null as you can see... After he went off with his rage posts, I brought it up that he played just like that in the previous game where he was scum and a smurf... Now how is that weird that I vote for him? what was your question, why shouldn't you vote for him he has posted quite a few defences, he didn't say "here shockeyy this one is just for you" but it is in the thread so read. Can you just read my post previously? I asked more than "Why should I not vote for you".... you asked him to read your filter..well he has been pretty fucking busy with other people you have had this weird fake rage reaction like "well you are ignoring me so im going to pressure vote you..." in a situation that gets him lynched...it makes no fucking sense. Alright fine, let's see how this goes. ##unvote ##vote Boxerfred Dude go back to GB please he's the better lynch and if Boxerfred flips town we might be in trouble.
He literally thinks I'm town asked me to post more and I did.
On June 17 2015 20:34 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote: Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more. Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here. On June 17 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:16 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? stuff is happening? Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance. Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process. I also want to know what you think about shockeyy. I did like damdred's reads for the most part but I was again playing in LoL inhouses at 7:00 pm CST so I didn't post at all to give my thoughts O_o I wanted ritoky's input to get a outsider perspective on it and all I got from him was that it was pretty much null though so ya it ended being a waste Also shockeyy seems okayish content wise just wish he would post more honestly.
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On July 01 2015 05:20 ShoCkeyy wrote: LS if you're not mafia, then why vote for me? You still haven't given a good reason why to vote for me? All you're doing is voting for a town. You vote for me and it's an auto lose. Why not vote for obvious mafia unless you're mafia too? I sheeping the dead plus rux's case pretty much summed what I had thought of you throughout the game. If you're town I sorry that you get lynched but if you're scum at least I can still win since I'm Town.
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Nope I have it for real this time. HF ruXxar Shockky
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##Unvote
##Vote HF
He isnt this bad...
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On July 01 2015 05:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 05:20 ShoCkeyy wrote: LS if you're not mafia, then why vote for me? You still haven't given a good reason why to vote for me? All you're doing is voting for a town. You vote for me and it's an auto lose. Why not vote for obvious mafia unless you're mafia too? I sheeping the dead plus rux's case pretty much summed what I had thought of you throughout the game. If you're town I sorry that you get lynched but if you're scum at least I can still win since I'm Town.
you should be lynching onegu with me
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On July 01 2015 05:32 Onegu wrote: ##Unvote
##Vote HF
He isnt this bad...
and when are you this awful?
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LS knows this is my town meta just like you but he isnt pushing shit reasons...
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Day 5 Vote Count
ShoCkeyy (3): LightningStrike, NydusHerMain, Fidei86 Onegu (2): ruXxar, Holyflare Holyflare (1): ruXxar, Fidei86, NydusHerMain, Onegu ruXxar (0): Onegu
Not voted (2): Damdred, ShoCkeyy
Clinging to the ledge, ShoCkeyy hangs over the abyss. Day 5 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here.
Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
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On July 01 2015 05:34 Onegu wrote: LS knows this is my town meta just like you but he isnt pushing shit reasons...
I just hate the fact that you PUSH LS ALL GAME, then all the sudden, fuck it. He's on your side. It's fucking obvious scum play and people just don't care to see it.
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Will lynch shockky but HF scum with him
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