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On January 24 2015 20:09 DarthPunk wrote: LM if you go afk right now without answering my questions or interacting ITT I will lynch you MOFO.
Hold yer horses, takes a while to collect all the posts to quote and such.
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On January 24 2015 19:43 DarthPunk wrote: Lonemeow.
Who do you want to lynch? Give me three reasons why with evidence to support your assertions.
Who is your largest town read that isn't confirmed town? Give me three reasons why with evidence to support your assertions.
I want to lynch Breshke or Damdred. Right now I am not sure which I'd prefer.
Reasons for Breshke are in my previous posts.
Reasons for Damdred:
Inconsistent read progression on The Shining. + Show Spoiler [Evidence] +On January 18 2015 11:20 Damdred wrote: Shining is in town pile, I feel like I missed questions directed at me so i'm going to look back and find some of them when I can and answer them.
Game looks kinda difficult to find scum right now. On January 19 2015 06:21 Damdred wrote: Yea GB is really bad about dropping reads to tunnel on someone. I'm on phone so can't link atm.
Also shinings post is bad and has a ma f2f is tone about it watch him after this lynch On January 19 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote: Really hate playing on Sundays since I'm at work all day meh.
Anyway, GB probably town jarjar and shining trying to figure who to hammer so lm and me are town.
Jarjat is the lynch shining Tommorow maybe rs the next for chain saw defending. Super crummy play from a couple here at eod
##unvite ##Vote jarjar On January 19 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote: This is great shining says damdred and lm are lynched. Votes GB. Pure Scum On January 19 2015 07:30 Damdred wrote: GB I have to read rs filter for context, but I think rs chainsaw defended jarjar a bit. Could be a bit of tmi.
Shining is caught I think, gotta figure out if tr is mafia and the last. On January 19 2015 07:17 Damdred wrote: Good find GB.
Shinings cote was horrible he said he was in between me and lm voting tried to hammer gb. And caught jarjar slip about the setup On January 19 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote: Shining and lm look bad to me, they were the die st one a to pick up on his slip knowing there's a medicine the game,
This doesn't make then 100% but signings vote is bad. He's mafia I think On January 19 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote: Medic protect jarjar.
Or wifom whatever, shining I most mafia in the thread. On January 19 2015 12:09 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 12:02 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, I guess you're right, Damdred. It could be a false claim, technically, since mafia knows the setup. Just not sure where that gets us? Do you want to proceed as if it were false?
Why do you think that Trfel is the lynch tomorrow? You got onto us for not being willing to lynch inactives last game, and we've only got two mislynches left before scum wins. Obviously jarjar will be alive tomorrow more than likely just for wifom if hes tracker and more than likely he will be blocked if he is the true tracker. I'm not going to give scum strategy so we shouldn't talk about it to much in depth, but until we start seeing some flips of another power role we need to just ignore it for now more than likely. I don't have much to substantiate with but the "softing/scum slip" earlier makes me a bit weary to believe the claim. We have little inactives, I think we can eliminate shining from lynch tomorrow. Breshke needs a good day, LM needs a decent day. Those to me are our really only inactives and they aren't spammy but are here if we have a cop I would check one of them and hope to get lucky. Trfel has been the least interested in the days activity I think, and has really changed the play from all of the other games I played with him in. Even in the last newbie it seemed very similar to carol/last student mafia. Was pretty strong even if he wasn't as inactive, and as blue in carol he was really strong. This just seems like a weird mirror like performance, playing down his ability no real scum reads sheeping instead of pushing. Being wrong is good in mafia it helps you get more information instead of laying back First The Shining is town, then based on one post (with no explanation what about the post was so bad) he goes to scum, then to super strong scum, then all of a sudden with no explanation he's not scum anymore. Even the followup post does not explain why he's no longer scum: On January 19 2015 12:14 Damdred wrote: Which obviously after looking back on shinings filter and seeing my mistake at the read and his explanations+replies had me move him back towards the lower side of my towny list. And LS shouldn't be lynched obviously Does not explain why he changed his mind so drastically. . Inconsistent read progression on geript. + Show Spoiler [Evidence] +On January 20 2015 09:22 Damdred wrote: Lol, Geript might actually be Scum after those posts. On January 20 2015 09:41 Damdred wrote: JJB is an unccd tracker so really doesn't matter. On that regard if we have a doc claim and we have two Scum down.
The kill wasn't that bad. GB actions basically confirmed him as town, jarhar had suspicion over his claim so he wouldn't be a good night kill.
DP might be mafia at least one of the vets is probably try hard. But his post at eon made it seem he thought he would die, but that's wifom.
You tr dp dp town reads you. No reason to kill someone tr you at this moment. Kills in imperial were done for wifom and keep people who aren't confirmed and other reasons.
Either way, if rs doesn't understand something quote yourself instead of getting aggravated. In your first four posts you have, thrown dirt on jarjar ls damdred and rs.
I don't see town!Geript doing this when we have a red check. On January 20 2015 12:02 Damdred wrote: Well I am a bit unsure of geript but I think hes town here. Up to this point I think the progression is fine. On January 20 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:38 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 13:13 Damdred wrote: Shining did a decent amount of work post flip and had some decent thoughts. Its generally a townie trait to jump straight in and get thoughts in during the night to me, some of his other things had a nice push to it as well.
Its one of my weaker town reads but I doubt I lynch him tomorrow.
I agree with the bolded part. Out of your town reads which two are you most sure on and which two are you least sure on or even list them all if that's easier because i think you're town and that means you have to be wrong on one of them. Most sure of Rsoultin and Geript at this point, least sure of Breshke and Dp. Shining is somewhere inbetween the two sets. But this strikes me as weird, he hasn't really reasoned much anything about geript in between this and the previous post so how is he now in the "most sure" list? On January 23 2015 23:22 Damdred wrote: DP seems to be involved and connected to the game and giving thoughts, I think even though I have some doubts about him I don't think he would connect himself with the scum team like this if LM is scum which is a real possibility.
Breshke looks the best coming into today really putting in the effort to try to solve the game and answer questions about him
Rsoultin looks great as well, questioning everything and seems paranoid enough to be towny plus actions before.
Jarjar: Un cc'd blue
Town: Breshke Rsoultin DP JarJar
I think, that Geript feels really disconnected from the game and he sometimes really lacks followup and can't really tell what hes doing anymore. Really seems like yesterday he was disparaging the claim of LS and JarJar trying to put doubts setting up trfels counter claim which trfel totally fell through with. But that's wifom, besides that. The question about the day 1 lynch will bother people because why would mafia want to pull off a town? Perhaps to stop town from lynching LM as a last second lynch, as GB myself both lost ton of traction and GB my main pusher stopped and jarjar was claiming blue so getting people from looking at LM would be good.
LM is the other mafia I think, not trying to solve the game.
I think tis geript and LM at this point. But we will see and geript will give me tons of flack for this post I know hehe
##Vote LM And now geript is back to scum again for really shady reasons. Calling someone "disconnected" is very subjective and the rest of the paragraph is full of null and nothing. Not explaining why he calls something scummy/towny. + Show Spoiler [Evidence] +Not going to quote his entire filter here, but there's plenty of posts like: On January 19 2015 04:36 Damdred wrote: Meh GB is town from this more than likely.
GB was being boring now he's not. Makes a statement about someone's alignment but does not explain why he thinks that way. In fact the entire day 1 lynch time he was spamming that GlowingBear is town, you aren't you guys switching but never giving any reasons to convince others.
Strongest town read who isn't confirmed is jarjarbinks for quite obvious reasons, but I expect you meant strongest town read who hasn't claimed so that would be rsoultin, because:
Huge activity, I don't see it likely that a relatively new player could produce this much content as scum. The way she pushed geript for putting Trfel in both lynch/do-not-lynch lists. The way I see it, it would've been easy to start calling geript scum for it straight away and the townie thing was to question him about it. Pushed Trfel during day 1 and night 1.
Meh, now that you made me go back and reread I'm no longer so sure about her either.
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On January 24 2015 16:40 DarthPunk wrote: I just looked and Breshke's day one filter and it looks really bad in hindsight.
Can you point out what in it looks bad to you? I've read it a few times myself and I can't really find any obvious giveaways there. The shadiest thing I see is the "quite convenient" time of his disappearance with vote left on jarjarbinks but that's not really very conclusive.
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On January 24 2015 20:52 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 16:40 DarthPunk wrote: I just looked and Breshke's day one filter and it looks really bad in hindsight.
Can you point out what in it looks bad to you? I've read it a few times myself and I can't really find any obvious giveaways there. The shadiest thing I see is the "quite convenient" time of his disappearance with vote left on jarjarbinks but that's not really very conclusive.
Small. He is a bit weird about defending trefel. I think he says something like: "DP has a good point about trefel being town" and then Chainsaw defends him by attacking the person arguing against Trefel but like he attacks her arguments rather than say I still think trefel'/s town. To me that looks terrible.
I'll try and find the posts in his filter.
On January 17 2015 13:04 Breshke wrote:Soz had irl shit to do Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason?Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? rsoultin do you disagree with the bolded question? I couldnt see if you have already answered it or not. I think DP is fairly spot on with trefel and i don't understand where you are coming from at all. Even if trefel is playing different it is possible to do that as town as well. So saying someone is playing different isn't a good enough reason to call them scum.
On January 17 2015 13:24 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:17 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 13:04 Breshke wrote:Soz had irl shit to do On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason?Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? rsoultin do you disagree with the bolded question? I couldnt see if you have already answered it or not. I think DP is fairly spot on with trefel and i don't understand where you are coming from at all. Even if trefel is playing different it is possible to do that as town as well. So saying someone is playing different isn't a good enough reason to call them scum. Also GB can make that entrance post as a blue ,VT or scum so people looking into that post are going to go nowhere. I am not calling Trfel scum. I am questioning his intentions, because his first explanation did not jive. ^Next time someone asks me this I am going to flat-out quote this post of myself because I'm getting tired of answering it. I do not think there is actually any danger in the particular way he drew attention to himself if he is scum. ^Again, the next time someone asks me this I will quote this post. Sorry i probably could have worked that shit out myself. The point is you "questioning his intentions" doesn't feel like you are trying to work out his alignment. It feels like you are just asking questions so you have a presence in the thread.
Those two posts look pretty bad in hindsight of a scum!trefel flip. Obviously he could be town and just had a solid read or agreed with my posts, but as mafia trying to defend his scum buddy getting behind a townies arguments in order to defend his scum buddy is a very realistic scenario.
there was another post that I didn;t like
On January 18 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:None its shit i know. I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well. Who is your biggest scum right now?
He is confronted about lack of scum reads at the start and Immediately tries to deflect attention away from his own reads by starting a discussion about the questioners reads.
I find that scum are more likely to deflect attention to their positions and town are more likely to seek it. I don't like the self-deprecation either but that is more a tone thing.
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Yeah I am not going to lynch LM today.
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I am fine with a damdred lynch actually and I think it is the most realistic counterwagon at this point.
##vote: Damdred
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Im going to bed.
Getting up early to be here for the lynch around 2 hours before.
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LM- I've never played with you. People keep claiming that your more inactive this round. Is it true? Do you have any reasons for being less active?
DP- Can you clarify what exactly makes damdred a better lynch than LM? Was it just because LM started posting last night? Did your spat with Rsoultin make her more scum, or did you not getting anything out of that?
Rsoultin- Have you learned anything from your inquiries of the past 24 hours? Did your talks with Geript and DP make you think either was more town or more mafia?
Shining-Besides me, who are 3 people you consider most town at this point?
Damdred- Who are 3 people you consider most town at this point?
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@JarJar, Rsoultin, JarJar and Dp are the towniest towns at this point.
The shining random change was as stated before was because of a misread of one of his posts. I thought he was pushing me scum with LM and voted JarJar I believe, when I just read the sentence wrong and it was between LM and JarJar. It was an easy mistake to make when phone reading and led to a scum read that when my mistake was realized the read had to changed based on that new information. Its like if DP said something like "IF I claimed cop we would lynch first claim" after someone had already claimed cop and I missed the IF (even though the sentence doesn't make sense) would make me scum read one of the two if I misread the statement, corrections must be made.
Theres not much to say about GB honestly, when you know that someone is town by the way they push something its just apparent. GB was boring before he started pushing his case, its a simple read but it is what it is. Once GB got to work it was apparent that he was town from the work and should of been obvious to the thread even if they weren't paying full attention. Plus I did give reasons like the push being similar to other games in tone and the feel of the push, even if DP disagreed the reasons were given so this is a bs reason to scum read me.
Being disconnected from the game overall isn't that subjective and it is true. Geript hasn't really been that involved past a point and forgets about posts or seemily skips over posts and just seems dissatisfied when hes in game during certain points. That's a form of disconnect i'm sorry to say.
Im sticking on LM here
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On January 24 2015 21:20 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 20:52 LoneMeow wrote:On January 24 2015 16:40 DarthPunk wrote: I just looked and Breshke's day one filter and it looks really bad in hindsight.
Can you point out what in it looks bad to you? I've read it a few times myself and I can't really find any obvious giveaways there. The shadiest thing I see is the "quite convenient" time of his disappearance with vote left on jarjarbinks but that's not really very conclusive. Small. He is a bit weird about defending trefel. I think he says something like: "DP has a good point about trefel being town" and then Chainsaw defends him by attacking the person arguing against Trefel but like he attacks her arguments rather than say I still think trefel'/s town. To me that looks terrible. I'll try and find the posts in his filter. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:04 Breshke wrote:Soz had irl shit to do On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason?Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? rsoultin do you disagree with the bolded question? I couldnt see if you have already answered it or not. I think DP is fairly spot on with trefel and i don't understand where you are coming from at all. Even if trefel is playing different it is possible to do that as town as well. So saying someone is playing different isn't a good enough reason to call them scum. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:24 Breshke wrote:On January 17 2015 13:17 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 13:04 Breshke wrote:Soz had irl shit to do On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote: I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason?Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? rsoultin do you disagree with the bolded question? I couldnt see if you have already answered it or not. I think DP is fairly spot on with trefel and i don't understand where you are coming from at all. Even if trefel is playing different it is possible to do that as town as well. So saying someone is playing different isn't a good enough reason to call them scum. Also GB can make that entrance post as a blue ,VT or scum so people looking into that post are going to go nowhere. I am not calling Trfel scum. I am questioning his intentions, because his first explanation did not jive. ^Next time someone asks me this I am going to flat-out quote this post of myself because I'm getting tired of answering it. I do not think there is actually any danger in the particular way he drew attention to himself if he is scum. ^Again, the next time someone asks me this I will quote this post. Sorry i probably could have worked that shit out myself. The point is you "questioning his intentions" doesn't feel like you are trying to work out his alignment. It feels like you are just asking questions so you have a presence in the thread. Those two posts look pretty bad in hindsight of a scum!trefel flip. Obviously he could be town and just had a solid read or agreed with my posts, but as mafia trying to defend his scum buddy getting behind a townies arguments in order to defend his scum buddy is a very realistic scenario. there was another post that I didn;t like Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:On January 18 2015 12:39 Damdred wrote: So you have no scum leans at least? None its shit i know. I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well. Who is your biggest scum right now? He is confronted about lack of scum reads at the start and Immediately tries to deflect attention away from his own reads by starting a discussion about the questioners reads. I find that scum are more likely to deflect attention to their positions and town are more likely to seek it. I don't like the self-deprecation either but that is more a tone thing.
The first post you quoted does actually look a bit bad in the light of Trfel flipping red, the second I find pretty much not alignment indicative. As for the third one, I could see him saying that as town, but then again, I am not super familiar with his play style.
What do you think of the points I make here:
On January 21 2015 22:40 LoneMeow wrote:Breshke is scum. There's a clear avoidance of committing to any reads, and it's quite scummy how he wants to lynch me without considering other options. Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 08:53 Breshke wrote: So GB flipping town makes damdred fairly townie for what was going on with the wagons between the two.
Also rsoultin is also fairly townie for how hard she was going against trfel especially at times when she seemed to be the only one doing it.
For me that leaves two mafia within the following players given no cc's occur and trfel actually flips mafia
5) DarthPunk (filter) 6) The Shining (filter) 8) LoneMeow (filter) 10) geript (filter)
So for auto i only need one more town read and that would probably be geript for a couple reasons the biggest one being that I don't really see the scum motivation to lead the wagon off of GB (a town) onto warwaffle (another town).
So for next day phase i want to lynch one of the three remaining players and if i was to choose it would probably be LM.
I realize i could easily be wrong on any of my town reads as some of it is fairly weak reasoning so that makes this type of analysis maybe not the best but for now it is the world im living in. Out of this list of 4 people, I can understand why he would not consider geript or DarthPunk at the time of this post, but he makes no explanation of why he picked me over The Shining. In fact, nowhere in his filter does he take any kind of stance on The Shining or analyze him. The only reason he gives for wanting to lynch me is where my vote ended up - he does not analyze why it ended up there, nor try to use the rest of my posting to validate his read in the slightest. There's also a certain lack of going anywhere with his posts, he's content to discuss whether LightningStrike might have fake claimed (as if) and ask questions that don't really go anywhere instead of posting his own analysis. Currently he's by far my best lynch after Trfel.
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On January 24 2015 19:39 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 08:26 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:19 Breshke wrote: RSo what scumteam are you most paranoid of? Lol, depends on the minute and who posted last sometimes That's why I'm pushing LM who I'm fairly confident of. This vote should make the first day more clear, and hopefully give us new information to work with. Assuming I'm right on LM, I'm hoping to find the third scum after the vote Day 3. Or at least fully clear 1 or 2 more of my town leans. Please explain which of your town leans mislynching me would clear and why?
This is a weird question LM. If I believed that you were town, I would not be pushing you for lynch. Assuming you're mafia, with two reds flipped it would bring a new dynamic to the Day 1 vote to evaluate, and also information from how the Day 2 vote goes, that might allow me to clear one or more of the people I'm not sure of.
And if this is a mislynch, well...that's harder. So I'm hoping it's not. The fact of the matter is that based on the Day 1 vote, your behavior is the only behavior that doesn't read townie to me at all, in the sense I can't think of reasons that make it town. You said that you didn't have the time to know when WW voted vice trfel, but you were there at EoD while all the switching was going on. I can see getting a little lost (I did -_-), but that post read so very much like "oh, good lord, there is a reason that WW could be scum, yay now I can switch without looking scummy".
I don't know how else to put it. I'm glad you're coming out now, but if you're town, it's probably too little, too late. Note the other less active players with small filters. They're in the thread making reads, asking questions, on a semi-regular basis. Your activity is more sporadic. It makes it hard for me to objectively look at you, look at them, and say hey that person is scum and LM is town.
Give me a reason to believe a player here is more likely to be scum than you.
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On January 25 2015 00:33 jarjarbinks wrote: LM- I've never played with you. People keep claiming that your more inactive this round. Is it true? Do you have any reasons for being less active?
It's a bit silly to ask me about my play, but yes I do think a point could be made that I have been somewhat less active.
You can make your own comparison, these are the most recent games I have played: Carol of the Bells, town, shot N1 Season of the Witch, scum, lynched D3 Shadowed Reboot, town, survived Shadowed, town, game aborted
I have a general policy of not making excuses about being AFK since it's not really useful for determining alignment. If you don't see why, go read Cell Mini Mafia III where Blazinghand faked moving to a new apartment, with picture proofs and everything. I can give you an explanation of why I was busy some days but you really should not consider it alignment indicative either way.
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EBWOP: I'm reading your case on Damdred now, Lonemeow. I also have to read geript's closer. I will say that I do remember going through his filter when Damdred's read changes first came up after Day 1, however, when I was back to leaning scum on him, and a look through his reads actually had me drop him to null rather than made me think he was more likely to be scum.
Maybe I missed something, though.
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On January 25 2015 01:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 19:39 LoneMeow wrote:On January 24 2015 08:26 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:19 Breshke wrote: RSo what scumteam are you most paranoid of? Lol, depends on the minute and who posted last sometimes That's why I'm pushing LM who I'm fairly confident of. This vote should make the first day more clear, and hopefully give us new information to work with. Assuming I'm right on LM, I'm hoping to find the third scum after the vote Day 3. Or at least fully clear 1 or 2 more of my town leans. Please explain which of your town leans mislynching me would clear and why? This is a weird question LM. If I believed that you were town, I would not be pushing you for lynch. Assuming you're mafia, with two reds flipped it would bring a new dynamic to the Day 1 vote to evaluate, and also information from how the Day 2 vote goes, that might allow me to clear one or more of the people I'm not sure of. And if this is a mislynch, well...that's harder. So I'm hoping it's not. The fact of the matter is that based on the Day 1 vote, your behavior is the only behavior that doesn't read townie to me at all, in the sense I can't think of reasons that make it town. You said that you didn't have the time to know when WW voted vice trfel, but you were there at EoD while all the switching was going on. I can see getting a little lost (I did -_-), but that post read so very much like "oh, good lord, there is a reason that WW could be scum, yay now I can switch without looking scummy". I don't know how else to put it. I'm glad you're coming out now, but if you're town, it's probably too little, too late. Note the other less active players with small filters. They're in the thread making reads, asking questions, on a semi-regular basis. Your activity is more sporadic. It makes it hard for me to objectively look at you, look at them, and say hey that person is scum and LM is town. Give me a reason to believe a player here is more likely to be scum than you.
Why is it a weird question? Your statement is essentially "if he flips town, it will give me the alignment of 1 or 2 players". What I am asking is you to explain whose alignments you can deduce from me flipping town, and the logic by which you would do so.
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On January 25 2015 00:33 jarjarbinks wrote: LM- I've never played with you. People keep claiming that your more inactive this round. Is it true? Do you have any reasons for being less active?
DP- Can you clarify what exactly makes damdred a better lynch than LM? Was it just because LM started posting last night? Did your spat with Rsoultin make her more scum, or did you not getting anything out of that?
Rsoultin- Have you learned anything from your inquiries of the past 24 hours? Did your talks with Geript and DP make you think either was more town or more mafia?
Shining-Besides me, who are 3 people you consider most town at this point?
Damdred- Who are 3 people you consider most town at this point?
What I learned will be more useful after this lynch is decided. I'm sorry I'm not being more straightforward about this right now, but I want to concentrate on pushing the LM lynch (unless he gives me a good reason not to lynch him beyond suddenly becoming active when his ass is on the line, -sorry, LM, but it's just the truth-). I think he's scum and I'm expecting mafia to try to find a way out of this lynch if he is, which I'd prefer not to contribute to right now.
But yes, I do think that depending on how the vote goes, some of the things from the last 24 hours could be helpful in finding the third scum, if only be process of elimination.
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On January 25 2015 01:26 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 01:15 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 19:39 LoneMeow wrote:On January 24 2015 08:26 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:19 Breshke wrote: RSo what scumteam are you most paranoid of? Lol, depends on the minute and who posted last sometimes That's why I'm pushing LM who I'm fairly confident of. This vote should make the first day more clear, and hopefully give us new information to work with. Assuming I'm right on LM, I'm hoping to find the third scum after the vote Day 3. Or at least fully clear 1 or 2 more of my town leans. Please explain which of your town leans mislynching me would clear and why? This is a weird question LM. If I believed that you were town, I would not be pushing you for lynch. Assuming you're mafia, with two reds flipped it would bring a new dynamic to the Day 1 vote to evaluate, and also information from how the Day 2 vote goes, that might allow me to clear one or more of the people I'm not sure of. And if this is a mislynch, well...that's harder. So I'm hoping it's not. The fact of the matter is that based on the Day 1 vote, your behavior is the only behavior that doesn't read townie to me at all, in the sense I can't think of reasons that make it town. You said that you didn't have the time to know when WW voted vice trfel, but you were there at EoD while all the switching was going on. I can see getting a little lost (I did -_-), but that post read so very much like "oh, good lord, there is a reason that WW could be scum, yay now I can switch without looking scummy". I don't know how else to put it. I'm glad you're coming out now, but if you're town, it's probably too little, too late. Note the other less active players with small filters. They're in the thread making reads, asking questions, on a semi-regular basis. Your activity is more sporadic. It makes it hard for me to objectively look at you, look at them, and say hey that person is scum and LM is town. Give me a reason to believe a player here is more likely to be scum than you. Why is it a weird question? Your statement is essentially "if he flips town, it will give me the alignment of 1 or 2 players". What I am asking is you to explain whose alignments you can deduce from me flipping town, and the logic by which you would do so.
I said assuming I'm right on you, LM. I'm pushing you as scum. So my statement has nothing to do with you flipping town?
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On January 25 2015 01:33 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 01:26 LoneMeow wrote:On January 25 2015 01:15 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 19:39 LoneMeow wrote:On January 24 2015 08:26 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:19 Breshke wrote: RSo what scumteam are you most paranoid of? Lol, depends on the minute and who posted last sometimes That's why I'm pushing LM who I'm fairly confident of. This vote should make the first day more clear, and hopefully give us new information to work with. Assuming I'm right on LM, I'm hoping to find the third scum after the vote Day 3. Or at least fully clear 1 or 2 more of my town leans. Please explain which of your town leans mislynching me would clear and why? This is a weird question LM. If I believed that you were town, I would not be pushing you for lynch. Assuming you're mafia, with two reds flipped it would bring a new dynamic to the Day 1 vote to evaluate, and also information from how the Day 2 vote goes, that might allow me to clear one or more of the people I'm not sure of. And if this is a mislynch, well...that's harder. So I'm hoping it's not. The fact of the matter is that based on the Day 1 vote, your behavior is the only behavior that doesn't read townie to me at all, in the sense I can't think of reasons that make it town. You said that you didn't have the time to know when WW voted vice trfel, but you were there at EoD while all the switching was going on. I can see getting a little lost (I did -_-), but that post read so very much like "oh, good lord, there is a reason that WW could be scum, yay now I can switch without looking scummy". I don't know how else to put it. I'm glad you're coming out now, but if you're town, it's probably too little, too late. Note the other less active players with small filters. They're in the thread making reads, asking questions, on a semi-regular basis. Your activity is more sporadic. It makes it hard for me to objectively look at you, look at them, and say hey that person is scum and LM is town. Give me a reason to believe a player here is more likely to be scum than you. Why is it a weird question? Your statement is essentially "if he flips town, it will give me the alignment of 1 or 2 players". What I am asking is you to explain whose alignments you can deduce from me flipping town, and the logic by which you would do so. I said assuming I'm right on you, LM. I'm pushing you as scum. So my statement has nothing to do with you flipping town?
Aha, ok. I read that as "or if I am wrong (and he flips town)" but I guess it makes sense the other way, too. Still would like to hear the logic for who it clears and why.
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On January 25 2015 00:52 Damdred wrote: @JarJar, Rsoultin, JarJar and Dp are the towniest towns at this point.
The shining random change was as stated before was because of a misread of one of his posts. I thought he was pushing me scum with LM and voted JarJar I believe, when I just read the sentence wrong and it was between LM and JarJar. It was an easy mistake to make when phone reading and led to a scum read that when my mistake was realized the read had to changed based on that new information. Its like if DP said something like "IF I claimed cop we would lynch first claim" after someone had already claimed cop and I missed the IF (even though the sentence doesn't make sense) would make me scum read one of the two if I misread the statement, corrections must be made.
Theres not much to say about GB honestly, when you know that someone is town by the way they push something its just apparent. GB was boring before he started pushing his case, its a simple read but it is what it is. Once GB got to work it was apparent that he was town from the work and should of been obvious to the thread even if they weren't paying full attention. Plus I did give reasons like the push being similar to other games in tone and the feel of the push, even if DP disagreed the reasons were given so this is a bs reason to scum read me.
Being disconnected from the game overall isn't that subjective and it is true. Geript hasn't really been that involved past a point and forgets about posts or seemily skips over posts and just seems dissatisfied when hes in game during certain points. That's a form of disconnect i'm sorry to say.
Im sticking on LM here
Okay, so...LM brought up a good point on your geript reads. I noticed that you brought up some of the same things I questioned geript on when you came to the conclusion that he was probably scum: i.e. the red check reaction, the way he handled his trfel scumread (that could be town), etc.
So what made you change your mind? What made you start looking at him as scum, specifically? Your reasons obviously I can understand if I found them odd as well...but several things he mentioned about you I've also found odd xP My question is at what moment, at what particular post, did you go wait. I think this may not be town geript. I need to look at him closer.
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The point today where I went this can't be town Geript was when he looked at breshkes post about why LM was scum and was like "this is great reasons haven't read any good reasons" which is a paraphrase. It struck me as odd and really disjointed towards the game since a lot of it was already stated before.
Then you go and look back a bit and Geript lacks a little bit of follow up when you aren't directly talking to him, which bothered me a bit.
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On January 25 2015 01:39 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 01:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 25 2015 01:26 LoneMeow wrote:On January 25 2015 01:15 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 19:39 LoneMeow wrote:On January 24 2015 08:26 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:19 Breshke wrote: RSo what scumteam are you most paranoid of? Lol, depends on the minute and who posted last sometimes That's why I'm pushing LM who I'm fairly confident of. This vote should make the first day more clear, and hopefully give us new information to work with. Assuming I'm right on LM, I'm hoping to find the third scum after the vote Day 3. Or at least fully clear 1 or 2 more of my town leans. Please explain which of your town leans mislynching me would clear and why? This is a weird question LM. If I believed that you were town, I would not be pushing you for lynch. Assuming you're mafia, with two reds flipped it would bring a new dynamic to the Day 1 vote to evaluate, and also information from how the Day 2 vote goes, that might allow me to clear one or more of the people I'm not sure of. And if this is a mislynch, well...that's harder. So I'm hoping it's not. The fact of the matter is that based on the Day 1 vote, your behavior is the only behavior that doesn't read townie to me at all, in the sense I can't think of reasons that make it town. You said that you didn't have the time to know when WW voted vice trfel, but you were there at EoD while all the switching was going on. I can see getting a little lost (I did -_-), but that post read so very much like "oh, good lord, there is a reason that WW could be scum, yay now I can switch without looking scummy". I don't know how else to put it. I'm glad you're coming out now, but if you're town, it's probably too little, too late. Note the other less active players with small filters. They're in the thread making reads, asking questions, on a semi-regular basis. Your activity is more sporadic. It makes it hard for me to objectively look at you, look at them, and say hey that person is scum and LM is town. Give me a reason to believe a player here is more likely to be scum than you. Why is it a weird question? Your statement is essentially "if he flips town, it will give me the alignment of 1 or 2 players". What I am asking is you to explain whose alignments you can deduce from me flipping town, and the logic by which you would do so. I said assuming I'm right on you, LM. I'm pushing you as scum. So my statement has nothing to do with you flipping town? Aha, ok. I read that as "or if I am wrong (and he flips town)" but I guess it makes sense the other way, too. Still would like to hear the logic for who it clears and why.
If you're scum I expect some of the resistance to your lynch today to come from scum, with only 2 scum left. That's kind of a given. I'd be looking for people finding reasons to cast doubt on a wide net of other players in an attempt to find a counterwagon that sticks, or for their votes/reads to not be coming from a place that reads genuine, or something of that nature. It's not something I'm paying close attention to now because I don't want to start worrying about a third scum until you've flipped scum and I know I'm right. If I'm not I have to reevaluate everything.
Voting analysis cross-checked with read progressions is what I like to base my scumhunting on. It's why I'm not down for a Bresh lynch, or a Shining lynch, and why Damdred makes me eeeeehhh somewhere in the neutral range. So the voting Day 2, plus your alignment added to a second read-through of the voting Day 1.
Essentially I'm not going to be able to give you a list of names until the day is done. It's all what-if's and hypotheticals, especially when a good portion of the analysis will be based on what happens between now and EoD.
Does that make sense to you?
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