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United States579 Posts

December 07 2007 12:49 GMT

I ran into this the other night:

I've never heard anything like it. Every aspect - the instrumental sound, the vocal, the lyrics - was pretty solid, if not spectacular. The sum came out far greater than the parts. I spent a good hour replaying it, and thought: hey, I could be part of something like this.

Would anyone like to collaborate on creating some songs?

Zherak

Norway256 Posts

December 07 2007 13:29 GMT

I'm not quite sure exactly what you are trying to do, but I do love writing music. I have extensive experience with writing for piano, keyboards and digitized orchestration. I do not have any good recording equipment, so I would most likely have to contribute through midi.

yubee

United States3826 Posts

December 07 2007 13:51 GMT

i like this song. join battle of the bands!! i'm sure something good can come out of that for sure

Night[Mare

Mexico4793 Posts

December 07 2007 14:27 GMT

Evil - Interpol, good song.
how can we help you with creating songs?

Zherak

Norway256 Posts

December 07 2007 17:03 GMT

Well, if we are doing this, we would need:

A project leader, who settles disagreements
Assorted people with a minimum of musical talent/training
A vision (generic rock song, classical masterpiece, film music, so on)

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United States579 Posts

December 07 2007 18:49 GMT

I can write lyrics and sing passably well. Rock of some sort would be ideal. Not sure where to begin though - maybe start with something that one of us has been working on previously. For example, I'd try to write the lyrics to a melody that one of you has been toying around with for some time, or someone could attempt to write music to go with "Rot in the Flames" (found somewhere in this blog, probably the only singable thing I've posted here), and see if our vision is compatible.

Zherak

Norway256 Posts

December 07 2007 19:25 GMT

One problem could be that my taste in music is terribly quirky - mostly classical, neo-classical and death metal, but then again, this thing is kind of all about trying to meld wildly different styles.

I'll do some tinkering and see if a chord-progression and/or melody line strikes me like lightning.

We would eventually want a drum-monkey and guitarist on-board to rock it up.

Zherak

Norway256 Posts

December 07 2007 20:03 GMT

Somehow manage to get my post eaten by the forums. Short version:

a) While all your poetry is great, Rot In Flames has no verse/chorus structure, which is almost necessary for good music.

b) I think writing music is so much more difficult than writing lyrics, that I think it is easier to write the lyrics to fit the melody lines, not the other way around.

c) Writing lyrics for music is slightly different from writing regular poetry. Stuff like perfect meter is less important, because the singer can impose rhythm on the text. It is difficult for a first-time reader to do this to poetry, but poets sometimes do this, and thus do not realize their rhythm is actually a bit off.

An example of poetry I have written for music follows, as a shameless self promotion. Each verse marked V(erse) or C(horus). I realize that these parts may not look very rhythmically distinct when you read them:

The Warrior

V
He walks alone, through the moonlit woods,
he leaves a kneedeep trail.
His coat is worn, its patches has holes,
his face is scarred and pale.

V
He knocks on the door, of the Ten Beds Inn,
he's served a host of beers.
His lips find a smile, and his eyes light up,
as the serving maid appears.

C
But he knows he must leave, at the first sign of light,
He knows he can't stay but a night.
And as he holds her hand and smells her hair,
He feels that life is not fair.

V
She kisses his lips, but he pulls away,
he sees her saddened eyes.
And she too sees his, "What is wrong?" she asks,
"I'm married," he replies.

C
But he has no gold ring, and he has no real wife,
He's sworn to fight a war.
And as her voice breaks and her blue eyes tear,
They feel that life is not fair.

V
As the sun rises up, on the dawn of next day,
he straps his sword back on.
His eyes are tired and worn like his coat,
And the light in his eyes is gone.

C
But as he sneaks downstairs, and he opens the door,
He feels her breath in his ear.
"Take this with you, where you must go.
I know that life is not fair."

V
His hair grows gray and his jaw more firm,
for his land he bleeds his tears.
But hope is lost and men are mowed down,
when the cavalry appears.

V
When he lies on death's field, and all horsemen are gone,
He clutches her gift in one hand.
And he bites off the cork, and he drinks what's within,
Remembers how tender she'd been.

- -

V
When it knocks on the door, of the Ten Beds Inn,
She hurries to the door.
And she hopes it is he, who once held her hand,
As she's hoped each time before.

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United States579 Posts

December 07 2007 20:54 GMT

Hey, we're more or less on the same page music-wise. I'm mostly into classical, some Muse/Metallica, and Russian bardic, which is better described as poetry set to guitar rather than music.

Your points are valid. I think I can adapt, though, if you're willing to give it a shot (Into the Darkness has a more acceptable structure by these standards, though I can't imagine it being sung). I like your lyrics quite a bit, btw.

Zherak

Norway256 Posts

December 08 2007 22:53 GMT

#10

I wrote a chord progression and some melody lines we could use, but seeing as I don't have any real recording equipment, I have to present it as an orchestral midi. We either need somebody with an el-guitar or have to wait for myself to get home for Christmas before we can get good impression of how it is really going to sound.

What I think we want to keep is the general chord progression, perhaps with some edits.
Melody line over the verse, riff over the bridge. The melody line of the chorus sounds like crap because the rhythm doesn't work, and I hate writing rhythm in midi.

We might have to transpose the whole song to fit with your vocal range, but that is piece of cake.

The clip goes Verse x2, Bridge x2, Verse x2, Bridge x2, Chorus x4.

Chords:

Verse:
Dm
Am
Bb
F -> C/E

Bridge:
Dm
F/C
Bb
F/A

Chorus:
F
C/E
Bb/D -> F/C
C

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