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Bill Murray
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Chromatically
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Erandorr
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On June 12 2014 09:39 roundabound wrote: Do what you want. My suggestion is to read the thread. Theres still 24hrs. Selective reading, produces selective context, and meaningless reads. ~moc If you think that I have enough time to read the entire thread and think selective reading produces bad reads that do not benifit town and probably by that logic let scum get away with bad posting, you still would let me do what I want? You are so sweet | ||
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Bill Murray
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ritoky
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On June 12 2014 09:35 Chromatically wrote: How is it a difference of definitions if I'm scum? Wouldn't it be me purposefully misrepresenting my play? Because I feel that the case I have already made follows very easily if you view what you gave as a strong read. I think you did. I can say it again, but it isn't going to change. I think you gave a disproportionately strong read on sianni from a pretty inconclusive response (I thought it was slightly scummy at best). In order to make said conclusion from not very much I feel you have extra information. The only people with extra information right now are mafia. Since then you've done nothing to alleviate my worries about you, you've been hard defending and OMGUSing (which is completely contrary to the scum hunting mindset you were critical of sianni for). And how is this not the exact same thing that you were critical of sianni for? On June 12 2014 09:41 Chromatically wrote: I think ketomai totally depends on what he posts next. The thing that happened in thread could have easily been a townie startled by people jumping on him before he starts playing. I agree that it's weird that he feels like he has to vote between round and Exo, but it's not really scummy..? He could have easily left his vote on himself and that would draw less attention. What he posts next is the important part. On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote: Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red. You just did the same exact non-committal thing. "Could be red, wait and see what happens"; that's not the scum hunting mindset you were preaching. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
ok so strong and big is berating the town (something mafia do) town are stupid, everyone is stupid he also uses the word KILL instead of the word LYNCH something that isn't P.R. these days in terms of law/corporate lingo. Look at the recent Tom Cruise movie "Edge of Tomorrow" which had the word "Kill" in it before it was retracted/redacted/whatever | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On June 12 2014 04:58 gumshoe wrote: Hey, just caught up in a blitz. Here are my notes / : + Show Spoiler + Chanman = town for brave gallows houmer Palmer= neutral claim, fits? Maybs kill? Him bieng grey would explain his ambivilance, but if he was actually third party would he be so cavalier about it? Chrom= Town for yolo push onto Koshi, posts do seem well thought out too. Tehpoofter= redish for wanting spam? Round= talking alot, not sure scum can play so fluid. Robik is known to be pretty emotional so the whole peronsal defence thing is in character. bats= Aggresive. Dont like how everything reafirms his own bias, but his activity is helpful to town as a whole so townie? Jat= Dont like how he tries t interject in the bat round fight. Will read more into him Sinani- Unspoken tryst with round? Attacks other not quite as active players? Scumish? Ritoky = town for brazen freedom mongering Marv= null, biding his time one way or another. Dont like the whole “your bad and you should feel bad.” attitude he has regarding accusations. Tica Tica= not sure why hes calling back to plam? Feels townie cause hes clearing names and picking out odd targets. Doesnt feel like he has an agenda? Tefpoof= odd koshi attack? Dont like how he wanted to catch Marv for the sake of catching marv, feels like seeding? Meapak= Null? Wierdness obscures actual motives? Reads Marv as scum, will need to see more of him Vayne= Skips a bunch of pages? Not sure scum would feel safe enough to do that? Belies a sense of isolation or potentially scummy laziness. Hard to say. Kush= null Chairman= Dont like how he basically says he doesnt like a whole post, then proceeds to break it apart bit by bit. Yet doesnt make an accusation out of it? Feels like hes trying to get other townies to jump, as if “take your pick folks! I cant eat another bite / :” scummy, will elaborate on him. Exo= Scared to rush out opinions? Scumish Bill murray= Insane Yamato is fearless= town Rainbows= Like his whole “these guys are on the same page as me, and have the same process, I'm town ergo so are they!” Not necessarily right but reads as a townie mentality. Dont like this post by Chairman What I get from it is that he basically didnt like Bats whole post, but doesn't immediately jump on him for it? The way he so cleanly spread out his greivances, it feels like hes trying to offer everyone something to pounce on, but doesnt peronally leap on any of it himself. When the opposite happens, and people jump on him for the shoddy post, he comes out swinging, but drops the read after just a couple hours when no one really agrees with him / : Notably Bat was an enemy of Rounds, as was Chair man. Did he bilieve they were scum together? Cause he never took back his read on round. Honestly it seems as if the heat on Round died down a bit and he came after Bat because thats the conflict he was most familiar with ( when your maf you tend to focus more on the events that directly concern you and as a result your accusations lean that way because those are the matters your best versed in.) Yeah not a fan of the Chair....Man I did not immediately jump on batsnacks for his first post because there was not enough to indicate his alignment. He threw a lot of conclusions with very little reasoning behind them. It was important to know if these conclusions are just thrown out randomly and if these conclusions have any indication of alignment. That's why I asked follow-up questions to every one of his reads. I don't quite understand your second bit, but I'll try to give the best answer I can. Yesterday I focused on three key interactions - the one regarding round, the one regarding koshi, and the one regarding bat. Round and Koshi's matters did not involve me at all. Bat's matter stuck out to me because he had me as a scumread for a very questionable reason. When someone gives you a scumread, you will prioritize it regardless if you are town or mafia. On June 12 2014 05:29 HaruRH wrote: I can agree with gumshoe on CR. Like I mentioned, CR's initial attack on koshi seemed to be gathering towncred in later stages of the game by referencing to it. I don't see a need for town to do it. All the votes on koshi were... weird. Rainbows and ticatica just sat on the koshiwagon and drove off together. Not a good sign tbh. My vote on koshi is a placeholder. Now that he deviates off his HUGE ASS POST PLAYMAKER style, he seemed to be more obnoxious than ever. Its hard to find obnoxious scum who might succumb to a policy lynch. ##Vote:Chairman Ray Just to clear things up, I did not attack Koshi; I defended him. If you are still interested, do you want to reread the part, or should I give you a quick summary? On June 12 2014 07:32 ExO_ wrote: Chairman has gone quiet after having some of the longest analysis I've seen. I find the silence odd, and as I said earlier I found him to be either very overconfident in his own analyses or have knowledge the rest of us don't by which to make them. So I'm going to vote Chairman for the time being. ##Vote Chairman I was away for only 14 hours, because I need to sleep and go to work in the morning. Is this an actual scumread on me, or did you just want to put my name back on the table for your other read? In terms of me being overconfident, can you point out where this is evident? I understand that if someone seems to know other people's alignments, they are likely to be mafia, but the only person that I've really had a read on was round, and I think he's mafia. I'm leaning town on Koshi, and I need to reevaluate bat, but I'm leaning mafia. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On June 12 2014 09:49 ritoky wrote: Because I feel that the case I have already made follows very easily if you view what you gave as a strong read. I think you did. I can say it again, but it isn't going to change. I think you gave a disproportionately strong read on sianni from a pretty inconclusive response (I thought it was slightly scummy at best). In order to make said conclusion from not very much I feel you have extra information. The only people with extra information right now are mafia. Since then you've done nothing to alleviate my worries about you, you've been hard defending and OMGUSing (which is completely contrary to the scum hunting mindset you were critical of sianni for). And how is this not the exact same thing that you were critical of sianni for? You just did the same exact non-committal thing. "Could be red, wait and see what happens"; that's not the scum hunting mindset you were preaching. Once again, your extra information thing doesn't make sense. The only way I would have extra information about sinani that would give me a "too strong" read would be if we were scum together. The difference between what I posted and what sinani posted is that ketomai has probably not started playing the game yet, making trying to read him rather pointless. sinani's read on JAT is completely noncommittal and overqualified, which you and many others have agreed on. Comparing what we posted doesn't say anything about my alignment anyway (at best it would make me a hypocrite), so there was really no reason at all for you to include this. You can call it OMGUS if it makes you feel better, but that doesn't make the points against you less strong. Anyway, I think this conversation is no longer useful at all and that I've made my case sufficiently clear. | ||
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roundabound
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On June 12 2014 09:45 Erandorr wrote: If you think that I have enough time to read the entire thread and think selective reading produces bad reads that do not benifit town and probably by that logic let scum get away with bad posting, you still would let me do what I want? You are so sweet I try to be as accommodating to all types of filth. Thank you for the kind words. ~moc | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On June 12 2014 09:16 marvellosity wrote: poofter you need to re-read catastrophe if you think that's how i played that game. you silly. As I recall you moved onto paperscraps day 1 and then switched it later to gumshoe I believe. But you actually seemed to be figuring out people's alignments throughout the day. Later tonight I'll reread your filter from that game but its a feeling I have. I won't be voting you today most likely but you need to do something in the range of finding scum by some fashion. You going to hop on the ketomai train? If not why? | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On June 12 2014 10:01 Chromatically wrote: Once again, your extra information thing doesn't make sense. The only way I would have extra information about sinani that would give me a "too strong" read would be if we were scum together. The difference between what I posted and what sinani posted is that ketomai has probably not started playing the game yet, making trying to read him rather pointless. sinani's read on JAT is completely noncommittal and overqualified, which you and many others have agreed on. Comparing what we posted doesn't say anything about my alignment anyway (at best it would make me a hypocrite), so there was really no reason at all for you to include this. You can call it OMGUS if it makes you feel better, but that doesn't make the points against you less strong. Anyway, I think this conversation is no longer useful at all and that I've made my case sufficiently clear. Your read is exactly the same as the bolded portion. And hypocrisy and inconsistency can be scum mindset indicators, so I think they are relevant. And personally I don't think you have a case, hence why I think it is an OMGUS. You're defensive and OMGUSing which is the opposite of the mindset you were pushing others to have. All of that just adds depth. | ||
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batsnacks
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Why vote vayne or mattisfoolish? | ||
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batsnacks
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VayneAuthority
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On June 12 2014 10:35 batsnacks wrote: People voting ketomai: Why vote vayne or mattisfoolish? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tZvZVPc.jpg) | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
On June 12 2014 10:35 batsnacks wrote: People voting ketomai: Why vote vayne or mattisfoolish? I personally don't really have issue with any of those candidates, why are VA and the hydra better than ketomai? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On June 12 2014 11:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Actually can we just kill VA? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/06xdoR6.jpg) | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On June 12 2014 11:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Actually can we just kill VA? im down | ||
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Erandorr
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On June 12 2014 10:04 roundabound wrote: I try to be as accommodating to all types of filth. Thank you for the kind words. ~moc thats not very nice and not really warranted :O Do you need a hug? I give great hugs. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
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