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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 11 2014 23:04 GMT
#1401
On June 12 2014 07:52 yamato77 wrote:
I'd love a VA lynch.

I'd love one also.

@Whoever asked me about ObiWan: because he's playing better than you.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 11 2014 23:06 GMT
#1402
On June 12 2014 07:59 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 07:52 yamato77 wrote:
I'd love a VA lynch.


Why 4?

If he was town he wouldn't just ignore my meta post on him, I don't think.
Writer@WriterYamato
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
June 11 2014 23:08 GMT
#1403
On June 12 2014 07:56 : wrote:
I don't own an xbox.


Worth a shot / :
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 11 2014 23:09 GMT
#1404
On June 12 2014 07:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
[image loading]

I see your frog & toad
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 11 2014 23:10 GMT
#1405
va lynch sounds good im in
I come in for the scraps
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
June 11 2014 23:10 GMT
#1406
On June 12 2014 08:06 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 07:59 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 12 2014 07:52 yamato77 wrote:
I'd love a VA lynch.


Why 4?

If he was town he wouldn't just ignore my meta post on him, I don't think.


He your strongest wolf lean atm?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 11 2014 23:16 GMT
#1407
On June 12 2014 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 07:35 ritoky wrote:
On June 12 2014 07:33 marvellosity wrote:
On June 12 2014 07:32 ritoky wrote:
On June 12 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:
On June 12 2014 07:27 ritoky wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:50 marvellosity wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:48 ritoky wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:43 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:17 Koshi wrote:
[quote]
Really poofter? Really?


I just think that you are a smart/good enough player to realize you might just be very off. Especially if a lot of people are not reading the same especially when you have a scum read in a game so large on one of the more active players.

I may have read it last night and forgotten but what was the reason you're voting MZ?


Idk, I am reading the thread fairly similarly to koshi. Maybe not so much on who he thought was town in his earlier posts, but his top 2 scum reads are MZ and chrom, and I agree with both; chrom for similar reasons, MZ for somewhat meta reasons.

The response of the read by chrom is just off. He gets wayyyyyy too strong of a scum read off of nearly nothing from sinani, it just doesn't sit well at all.

And in regards to MZ, all he said in response to my freedom post (which was specifically directed at him) was "good to see ritokys town". I expected at least a murrica joke or picture in response. But moreso he just oozed town last game and I don't get those same vibes from him. Plus his posting style is much different, much more restrained. Just feels off.

could you answer my previous question to you pls?


sorry, must have missed it. TMI = too much information?

as in chrom has more information than me, as in he knows whos mafia and whos town, as in he's mafia.

is that the explanation you were looking for?

but if it reeks of TMI, the only logical explanation is that Koshi is mafia. otherwise it doesn't make sense. what else am I missing?


? that post was about sinani, JAT, and chrom? I was talking about how I felt Chrom baited out sinani into giving a crap read on JAT because JAT hadn't really posted in the thread much; then he disproportionately reacted to the read given by sinani and claimed a STRONG scum read from it. How any1 gets a strong read at all from sinani's early filter is beyond me. So I think he is working with some excess info.

yes i got the wrong name.

what extra information do you think he is working with then? that's what i'm getting at. what extra info does he have that leads him to question it more forecefully than you think is warranted


Your logic here is circular. I just said chrom was mafia about 30 seconds ago. I think he either knew sinani was town and was trying to get in easy points or he knew sinani was mafia and was trying to bus early, either way the scope of chrom's reaction is bs and he is probably scum.

And question it is being generous. He didn't really question it, he just claimed massive scum read.

that's just random baseless speculation though. you can't say something reeks of TMI and then not even have an opinion on what the information is, that's ridiculous.

it's quite a leap to go from "this reaction is over the top" to "this reeks of TMI"


i fail to see where the logical leap is.

someone asks a question, someone gives an inconclusive answer imo, the person who asked concludes something extreme from the answer.

to me that indicates that he has some information that i don't. if you don't see that then i think you need to freshen up on your logic.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 11 2014 23:17 GMT
#1408
I really just cba to read this thread very closely.
Writer@WriterYamato
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-11 23:23:34
June 11 2014 23:19 GMT
#1409
Vote Count - Day 1:


Palmar (0): batsnacks
yamato77 (0): Palmar
roundabound (2): ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, batsnacks, Chairman Ray, Bill Murray, Bill Murray, ketomai
sinani206 (0): Chromatically, Tehpoofter
Koshi (4): TicaTica, Tehpoofter, Rainbows, HaruRH, Chromatically, sinani206
TicaTica (0): Koshi
ExO_ (2): sandroba, Tehpoofter, kushm4sta
HolyFlare (0): Tehpoofter, Palmar
Bill Murray (1): roundabound
ketomai (2): ObiWanShinobi, Tehpoofter, Tehpoofter
batsnacks (1): Chairman Ray, TheKingOfTheCats, Alakaslam
Meapak_Ziphh (2): Mattisfoolish, Bill Murray, Koshi
tehpoofter (1): Bill Murray, Palmar, VayneAuthority
strongandbig (2): Bill Murray, Palmar
Chairman Ray (3): HaruRH, gumshoe, ExO_
Marvellosity (0): Tehpoofter
VayneAuthority (1): yamato77

Not voting (9): ritoky, justanothertownie, Meapak_Ziphh, Erandorr, Alakaslam, Chairman Ray, strongandbig, marvellosity, HolyFlare



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sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
June 11 2014 23:19 GMT
#1410
On June 12 2014 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
va lynch sounds good im in


whats your deal
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 11 2014 23:20 GMT
#1411
On June 12 2014 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
va lynch sounds good im in

Y

He doesn't seem particularly scummy to me
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
TicaTica
Profile Joined June 2014
Costa Rica194 Posts
June 11 2014 23:22 GMT
#1412
On June 12 2014 08:17 yamato77 wrote:
I really just cba to read this thread very closely.

Then why play?
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
June 11 2014 23:26 GMT
#1413
On June 12 2014 08:17 yamato77 wrote:
I really just cba to read this thread very closely.


bad and wolfy excuse is bad and wolfy. Play the game.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 23:30 GMT
#1414
On June 12 2014 06:48 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 06:43 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:17 Koshi wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 12 2014 05:06 Koshi wrote:
Either I am really wrong or everybody else is really wrong.

I am going to go with everybody else.


I don't feel like this is something village koshi reasons out. He usually is one to just try to sheep/read off others bringing in his own evidence but not ignore everyone else.

Really poofter? Really?


I just think that you are a smart/good enough player to realize you might just be very off. Especially if a lot of people are not reading the same especially when you have a scum read in a game so large on one of the more active players.

I may have read it last night and forgotten but what was the reason you're voting MZ?


Idk, I am reading the thread fairly similarly to koshi. Maybe not so much on who he thought was town in his earlier posts, but his top 2 scum reads are MZ and chrom, and I agree with both; chrom for similar reasons, MZ for somewhat meta reasons.

The response of the read by chrom is just off. He gets wayyyyyy too strong of a scum read off of nearly nothing from sinani, it just doesn't sit well at all.

And in regards to MZ, all he said in response to my freedom post (which was specifically directed at him) was "good to see ritokys town". I expected at least a murrica joke or picture in response. But moreso he just oozed town last game and I don't get those same vibes from him. Plus his posting style is much different, much more restrained. Just feels off.

On June 12 2014 07:35 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 07:33 marvellosity wrote:
On June 12 2014 07:32 ritoky wrote:
On June 12 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:
On June 12 2014 07:27 ritoky wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:50 marvellosity wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:48 ritoky wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:43 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:17 Koshi wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:
[quote]

I don't feel like this is something village koshi reasons out. He usually is one to just try to sheep/read off others bringing in his own evidence but not ignore everyone else.

Really poofter? Really?


I just think that you are a smart/good enough player to realize you might just be very off. Especially if a lot of people are not reading the same especially when you have a scum read in a game so large on one of the more active players.

I may have read it last night and forgotten but what was the reason you're voting MZ?


Idk, I am reading the thread fairly similarly to koshi. Maybe not so much on who he thought was town in his earlier posts, but his top 2 scum reads are MZ and chrom, and I agree with both; chrom for similar reasons, MZ for somewhat meta reasons.

The response of the read by chrom is just off. He gets wayyyyyy too strong of a scum read off of nearly nothing from sinani, it just doesn't sit well at all.

And in regards to MZ, all he said in response to my freedom post (which was specifically directed at him) was "good to see ritokys town". I expected at least a murrica joke or picture in response. But moreso he just oozed town last game and I don't get those same vibes from him. Plus his posting style is much different, much more restrained. Just feels off.

could you answer my previous question to you pls?


sorry, must have missed it. TMI = too much information?

as in chrom has more information than me, as in he knows whos mafia and whos town, as in he's mafia.

is that the explanation you were looking for?

but if it reeks of TMI, the only logical explanation is that Koshi is mafia. otherwise it doesn't make sense. what else am I missing?


? that post was about sinani, JAT, and chrom? I was talking about how I felt Chrom baited out sinani into giving a crap read on JAT because JAT hadn't really posted in the thread much; then he disproportionately reacted to the read given by sinani and claimed a STRONG scum read from it. How any1 gets a strong read at all from sinani's early filter is beyond me. So I think he is working with some excess info.

yes i got the wrong name.

what extra information do you think he is working with then? that's what i'm getting at. what extra info does he have that leads him to question it more forecefully than you think is warranted


Your logic here is circular. I just said chrom was mafia about 30 seconds ago. I think he either knew sinani was town and was trying to get in easy points or he knew sinani was mafia and was trying to bus early, either way the scope of chrom's reaction is bs and he is probably scum.

And question it is being generous. He didn't really question it, he just claimed massive scum read.

Quote this. You are making it up.

I actually talked about this in my case on Koshi (and it looks like he even admits that he was exaggerating), but you're saying the same thing. Quote where my push on sinani, two hours into the game, was over the top.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 11 2014 23:42 GMT
#1415
On June 11 2014 07:02 Chromatically wrote:
Yeah sinani is scum because his mindset doesn't make sense with what he's done.


On June 11 2014 07:03 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic

Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.


Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.


what was your post then


Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest


##Vote: sinani206

Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll.

Tica also scum for soft defending sinani without actually reading what my case was on.


On June 11 2014 07:34 Chromatically wrote:
As town, I would expect him to show an interest in finding scum by asking questions that actually do things, rather than simply "trying to get involved" (scum mindset, wants to look active).


Here are just a few, I can keep going if you would like.

You got such a strong read that you pinged everyone in the thread for their thoughts on him too. And you take the time to mention how he is scum in most of your posts. I would call that a disproportionately strong read from not very much.

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
June 11 2014 23:53 GMT
#1416
StrongandBig's posts thus far have been atrocious. Some summary, calls people stupid, and gives a very badly formed read on myself based on a bunch of unexplained "indications" that mean nothing.

I indicate SnB is mafia. Lynch with fire.

##Unvote: Koshi
##Vote: StrongandBig
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 23:54 GMT
#1417
On June 12 2014 08:42 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 07:02 Chromatically wrote:
Yeah sinani is scum because his mindset doesn't make sense with what he's done.


Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 07:03 Chromatically wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic

Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.


Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.


what was your post then


Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest


##Vote: sinani206

Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll.

Tica also scum for soft defending sinani without actually reading what my case was on.


Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 07:34 Chromatically wrote:
As town, I would expect him to show an interest in finding scum by asking questions that actually do things, rather than simply "trying to get involved" (scum mindset, wants to look active).


Here are just a few, I can keep going if you would like.

You got such a strong read that you pinged everyone in the thread for their thoughts on him too. And you take the time to mention how he is scum in most of your posts. I would call that a disproportionately strong read from not very much.


Yes, you have correctly shown that I pressured sinani. I made a case on someone 2 hours into the game based on their first 3 posts. It was the best case in the thread at that time, so I pushed it around.

I pinged everyone in the thread? Pretty sure I asked 2 people, both of who I was looking for their read, not for them to vote sinani. You're exaggerating things to justify your position.

So how is this scummy again? What's so impossibly strong that I have to be working with "extra information" to make it?
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
June 11 2014 23:56 GMT
#1418
I also have no idea why Tica thinks I'm probably town.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 23:58 GMT
#1419
ritoky is a great second lynch if Koshi isn't happening. I like marv's point too.

I think I would go for a megalurker/someone who's not playing the game lynch after that.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
June 12 2014 00:13 GMT
#1420
Welcome to Tehpoofter's Village!! No Wolves/Girls(sorry HF) allowed!!

Village Hero: Tehpoofter

Top Villagers: Bill Murray, Chromatic, Gumshoe ObiWanSmurf

+ Show Spoiler +
BM - Clearly putting in work here. He reaches out and talks to almost everyone thats around. He is trying to solve the game. If he isn't a villager here I will be shocked.

Chromatically - I liked what he had to say on Senani. He pushed on someone early but when asked about it he admitted it was an early read and basically he started the game from early game banter to serious mode.

Gumshoe - The only other game I've seen gumshoe not lurk the crap out of was Cell Mafia 1 and he oozed town that game did really well unfortunately made rayn freak out but still played well. The other games I've seen he just never posted so I'm hoping he just decided he wanted to play town. Keep up the posting!

ObiWanSmurf - Started the wagon of Justice on Ketomai. He seems like he did in Cell Mafia 2 where he was town a bit less jokey to start but gets down to business of wolfhunting!


Villagers: Roundabound, Palmer, ExO, HF, Slam

+ Show Spoiler +
Roundahydra- This is a read purely on Robik. I feel like what he did starting the game was indicative of his town play. He got very defensive early. As mafia he tends to play this super bus and buddy up game and has like the end goal of winning final 3. I didn't get this vibe from him he definitely wasn't trying to make friends.

Palmer - This Post and his leadup to it I will be surprised if it came from a wolf. I think the only way he is making this kind of full analysis post is if he feels like his team is very strong. He started off on the wolf list but moved to villager with the way he is playing and interjecting today. What he did bantering a bit with Marv felt pretty good to me.

ExO - The fact that he isn't appeasing the masses who want him to give reads and is heavily playing that n00b card buys him a day in the village imo. He needs to step it up in later days if he wants to stick around but for now I'm buying his stick of "Feeling out the meta" and "only adding to the village if he needs to"

HF - I didn't buy the whole "see ya Thursday" bit at first but this morning he came in and was interacting with the thread in a sincere fashion and seemed to be putting his mind into figuring out things. He came in talking to yamato about his exams which is neutral but he then gave a snippet on Koshi that to me felt like he was reading the thread and even though he wasn't posting a bunch was in touch with the topic at hand. (at the time Koshi)

Slam - Oh man I hope I'm right so Slam needs like his own section. I have never read him before but I'm going to say that he coming in and having that response to ticatica about palmer and peach read like nonsense but to me seemed like he took a bit to write it as if the people he was referring to were real it would have made sense. But the 2 main reasons were his asking aobut the roundabound case as well as following up with me to make sure I was still trying to read him not once but twice. That to me feels mildly villager this is such a weak read but I'm going to try to actually read you slam! Here's hoping I'm right.


Wolf Leans: Koshi, Senani, Marv

+ Show Spoiler +
Koshi - First reads felt structured and forced and the Chrom read wasn't what I'm use to on Koshi. He gets the lean and not the howl because maybe he is just trying out a new style. I made a post earlier on reasons I think Koshi might be scum Here

Senani - Chrom had some pretty good points against him he also came off to me as overly defensive. He has fallen out of my mind a bit from early game and I'm waiting to see what he comes into the thread the later part of the day. (Weakest wolf read atm)

Marv - Not playing what I feel like he plays as village, the strong leader. He is softly pressuring people. The first thing he has really seemed to perk up about was Ritoky and hes not even voting him. Seems more concerned about posting witty retorts than finding wolves. In Catastrophe the other big game he was village and I was village played with him day 1 he was leading the lynch around trying to actively hunt and find wolves and wasn't really worried about his voting. He doesn't have a strong scum lean atm frankly it feels like hes not trying=wolfy.


Howlers: VA, Ritoky

+ Show Spoiler +
VA - Comes in complaining about the length of the thread and how he isn't going to read it. (at this point it was not even 10 actual pages long zzzz) Then he bows out after another 10 pages without giving reads or context. Since then he has posted a vote on me for a 408 a picture and a self condemnation. I don't mind if he is scum reading me his vote is honestly the most useful thing hes done all game (unlike marv who still hasn't voted) He is not giving this game anything at all. Would vote.

Ritoky - The big thing was how his read in this post had no flow to it. Like he wrote the conclusion before the evidence or something. He seemed to not have have cohesive thoughts. His opening post seemed like he thought about feeding off his game in Cell Mafia 2 with the whole "freedom" thing but it wasn't like last time just one short post about it. I do like however that he brought it up in regards to his MZ read so not bad there but overall wolfy. Would vote.


VOTE THIS PERSON: Ketomai

Ketomai - Comes into thread and places a vote down gives a "reason" for it but with plenty of room to wiggle out of and room to just afk and not do anything the rest of the day if need be.

On June 11 2014 11:38 ketomai wrote:
I'm going to place my vote with roundabound until I can catch up with the thread. Exo is the one running against him and there's not much that indicates scum for me yet.

I'll post again tomorrow after work with some more detailed opinion.

This thread is incredibly hard to read/follow on my phone.


He is then questioned about this and makes it seem like he had to vote between roundabound and ExO (at the time I believe they were the two top wagons at like 2-4 votes a piece at most) so basically he is saying that he HAS to vote on one and assumes that 6ish hours into the game these two wagons will be EoD wagons and he has to vote between them. To me I feel like he came in looked at the voting thread and just voted one of the wagons assuming that they were the topic of discussion in the thread.

On June 11 2014 11:51 ketomai wrote:
@roundabout I skimmed both situations and you were the more likely one of the two; I thought that should've been obvious. I'm casting the vote early in case something happens so I don't get instant modkilled. Obviously when I'm done reading the thread and thinking about things I'll most probably give my opinions and change it up. Until then, you can pretty much disregard my vote for you as filler after a cursory glance at both situations.


Notice how at the end here he leaves plenty of room to explain a vote change tomorrow.

On June 11 2014 12:18 ketomai wrote:
Go for it if you want to waste your time and lynch. People who are hanging onto me are clearly just looking for another topic to create more chaos or just to prod me. It's pretty obvious to anyone objectively looking that I haven't even started the game yet. If the town is stupid enough to blind lynch me, then so be it. Have fun losing the rest of your game if you get manipulated into being distracted by random comments like mine.



Then he comes back with this here where people are clearly only talking about him to create chaos. How odd is it to think its wolfy for someone to stop in drop off a vote with no reason and say "see ya later" he is more concerned about getting modkilled than finding wolves imo.

On June 11 2014 12:23 ketomai wrote:
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On June 11 2014 12:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On June 11 2014 12:18 ketomai wrote:
Go for it if you want to waste your time and lynch. People who are hanging onto me are clearly just looking for another topic to create more chaos or just to prod me. It's pretty obvious to anyone objectively looking that I haven't even started the game yet. If the town is stupid enough to blind lynch me, then so be it. Have fun losing the rest of your game if you get manipulated into being distracted by random comments like mine.


whos getting manipulated and where?

you must provide quotes and scholarly sources.


Anyone who is taking round or your comments about me seriously.

If you don't believe me, filter my posts and look where I began posting. The initial comment was pretty innocuous; the rest are to try to calm down round for the benefit of the town and round himself. I'm not the one trying to distract town with useless material.

I'm actually done here. I'll be returning with a content-filled post tomorrow instead of clogging up the thread and the town agenda with this garbage.



This last post he basically says at the end "I'll be coming back tomorrow iwth a big post that will change my vote any little questions are just distracting off what really matters." The long post and nothing else is like a staple of wolves everywhere. He basically came in thinking he'd make one post and get out and lie low. Then he took some heat and I think a villager wouldn't really care as much about it if he knew he was going to be back and could prove himself. This is like a wolf that got caught trying to sneak in and out.

Another thing is that this happened long ago and only me and fellow top villager ObiwanSmurf are pushing on him or seem to notice that he isn't here. To me if he was village Wolves would hop all over this and try to get some momentum going on him before he even gets back but instead its been nothing but silence on his front.

Also this is the last known photo of Ketomai:

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