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On December 10 2013 14:50 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 14:46 bumatlarge wrote:On December 10 2013 14:43 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 14:05 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 10 2013 08:32 Spaghetticus wrote:
I am not shifting my vote until slam does something useful to make up for his spam. I'm giving him until 6pm my time (7.5 hours from now) to do so or my vote is not changing at all regardless of anything that comes afterwards.
Pressure? yes.
Policy? yes.
Serious? yes. Very scummy post. You're actually saying that you may sit on your vote regardless of what happens in the thread? Basically giving yourself an built-in excuse to make your vote not matter (and unable to be analyzed) if slam isn't one of the leading wagons? Ice is static, water flows, and fire grows, moves, and spreads. Are you quoting avatar? No. Ice- Ice is not our friend. Ice is too cold. We seek warmth, indeed I seek the desert on this voyage. Please understand, my friends, I shut up when you ask. I will also try to consolidate. But I am impatient, I have energy, I want to see Rayne... I failed him, I wanna understand him. Unless he is stuck in ice...
Please stop shit posting.
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On December 10 2013 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote:On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.
That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town. So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive. The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this. I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing. In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it. This is all pure speculation. Something more grounded is that Xatalos is definably acting very different from before, and in my eyes less of a townie I don't feel like Xatalos put himself in the spotlight as much as trying to put others in the spotlight. Corazon put himself in the spotlight without any scum gain. When you look at his post from a scum point of view, it doesn't make sense for them to make it. I can see a scum agenda behind Xatalos' posts. That said, I do like his view on my pressure on him in that it was nuanced rather than trying to score town points. The rest of the day should provide more information. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:36 Holyflare wrote:Nobody going to discuss cora's mindset or are you going to dismiss it outright for xantos discussion some more? On December 10 2013 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Holy, I don't feel like his response is that different. I also don't think he'd put himself out there so much at the start of the game. No reason to draw attention to yourself like that as scum. Given you quoted me I take it you'd like a response from me? I don't find Corazon scummy at this point in time because he drew attention to himself without any scum benefit.
The amount of aggression on Cora for that post was completely unwarranted but that definitely isn't worthy of a town read. Corazon didn't put do anything to put himself out there. He was probably busy so he said in his post that he was going to be busy, which means nothing.
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On December 10 2013 13:34 bumatlarge wrote:
Are there a lot of new players in this game?
My analysis of the player list suggests that this is a true statement.
On December 10 2013 11:19 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 11:16 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote:
I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case. I dunno kinda like to believe when people give time frames. God you are ridiculous. Why are you trying to annoy me out of the game?
Assume I am worth trusting when I say that you need to chill. Your passions are cute but will not help town win. On the contrary they will damage town atmosphere. Allow others to play the game. Allow yourself to play.
Could you explain how you eliminated myself, bumatlarge, jarjar and 'roni from possible lynches for the day when none of us had posted?
I'm aware that I am the most town player to have ever existed as according to my meta posting more than one sentence in the game makes me town. That isn't the point though. I couldn't be the most town before posting so where did I go as a lynch option. Why are you so sure that purple/Xat/HF must be the only possible lynches for the day?
Alakslam: I'm ignoring your short lived vote on me, if that the right thing to do? What would the kingfisher king think of you for your sacrilegious attack against the wanderer?
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On December 10 2013 09:31 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 09:27 Spaghetticus wrote:
We must pool our denunciations to finally overthrow the troll overlord. Slam/kush can get shot later if needs be (already confirmed we definitely have vig's) because you can't actually determine alignment from trolling/lurking/playing their own game like they are doing. As for you, you have 2 pages of filter. The first half of page 1 is questioning people. Did you get any reads based off of their answers/posting style or not? The rest of your page and a half are all slamcentric. I understand that you are in a not so good mood but what have you determined about the current state of affairs?
I wanted this in another post.
A message to Holyflare and Xatalos: do not direct vig shots which you neither know exist nor know how to direct. You have both entered onto my radar for your directives and, to any vigis which may exist please do not listen to the above named posters. I have an early town read on kush and am interested in Alak but do not believe either is a good shot at this time in the game.
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On December 10 2013 15:36 xigxag wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 09:31 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 09:27 Spaghetticus wrote:
We must pool our denunciations to finally overthrow the troll overlord. Slam/kush can get shot later if needs be (already confirmed we definitely have vig's) because you can't actually determine alignment from trolling/lurking/playing their own game like they are doing. As for you, you have 2 pages of filter. The first half of page 1 is questioning people. Did you get any reads based off of their answers/posting style or not? The rest of your page and a half are all slamcentric. I understand that you are in a not so good mood but what have you determined about the current state of affairs? I wanted this in another post. A message to Holyflare and Xatalos: do not direct vig shots which you neither know exist nor know how to direct. You have both entered onto my radar for your directives and, to any vigis which may exist please do not listen to the above named posters. I have an early town read on kush and am interested in Alak but do not believe either is a good shot at this time in the game.
How do you have a town read on kush? Explanation please.
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Its somewhat convoluted but the basics are as follows:
1) kush is acting in such a way which reduces his thread power later in the game
2) a potential late game scum player wants some power
3) if kush is scum he is a potential late game scum player
4) kush is not scum playing for the late game
5) kush is not scum playing for the early game
6) nothing kush does benefits him if he is scum
7) kush is town
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Its somewhat convoluted but the basics are as follows:
1) kush is acting in such a way which reduces his thread power later in the game
2) a potential late game town player wants some power
3) if kush is town he is a potential late game town player
4) kush is not town playing for the late game
5) kush is not town playing for the early game
6) nothing kush does benefits him if he is town
7) kush is scum
You noticing something here?
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Basically there is no way you can have a town read on kush and have it be meaningful or based on solid analysis, or any analysis at all.
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On December 10 2013 15:48 Plutarch wrote:
Its somewhat convoluted but the basics are as follows:
1) kush is acting in such a way which reduces his thread power later in the game
2) a potential late game town player wants some power
3) if kush is town he is a potential late game town player
4) kush is not town playing for the late game
5) kush is not town playing for the early game
6) nothing kush does benefits him if he is town
7) kush is scum
You noticing something here?
Yes I am. I'm noticing that I disagree with you. A town player doesn't usually think about pushing a lynch in late game, the second point, because a town player is sure they they will be pushing a scum lynch and being right is all a town player needs. Thread influence is second fiddle to accurate reads. People like kush believe this.
Nothing kush does benefits him as town seems to be true in his town games. His scum games have direction and pride. Kush has no pride here.
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On December 10 2013 15:36 xigxag wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 09:31 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 09:27 Spaghetticus wrote:
We must pool our denunciations to finally overthrow the troll overlord. Slam/kush can get shot later if needs be (already confirmed we definitely have vig's) because you can't actually determine alignment from trolling/lurking/playing their own game like they are doing. As for you, you have 2 pages of filter. The first half of page 1 is questioning people. Did you get any reads based off of their answers/posting style or not? The rest of your page and a half are all slamcentric. I understand that you are in a not so good mood but what have you determined about the current state of affairs? I wanted this in another post. A message to Holyflare and Xatalos: do not direct vig shots which you neither know exist nor know how to direct. You have both entered onto my radar for your directives and, to any vigis which may exist please do not listen to the above named posters. I have an early town read on kush and am interested in Alak but do not believe either is a good shot at this time in the game.
Have you even read the game? Vig's are guarenteed in the setup and it's not "directing" vig shots. Threat of vig shot = threat of dying and if they are town they will stop trolling/step it up as I assume people enter this game to win. I think you're mistaking direction with pressure.
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On December 10 2013 15:49 Plutarch wrote:
Basically there is no way you can have a town read on kush and have it be meaningful or based on solid analysis, or any analysis at all.
Or I am better than you. I have the read and you have not refuted it.
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not to mention that in TL Noire before kush got replaced out he was playing this lurky playstyle thing and his slot was scum
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On December 10 2013 15:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 15:36 xigxag wrote:On December 10 2013 09:31 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 09:27 Spaghetticus wrote:
We must pool our denunciations to finally overthrow the troll overlord. Slam/kush can get shot later if needs be (already confirmed we definitely have vig's) because you can't actually determine alignment from trolling/lurking/playing their own game like they are doing. As for you, you have 2 pages of filter. The first half of page 1 is questioning people. Did you get any reads based off of their answers/posting style or not? The rest of your page and a half are all slamcentric. I understand that you are in a not so good mood but what have you determined about the current state of affairs? I wanted this in another post. A message to Holyflare and Xatalos: do not direct vig shots which you neither know exist nor know how to direct. You have both entered onto my radar for your directives and, to any vigis which may exist please do not listen to the above named posters. I have an early town read on kush and am interested in Alak but do not believe either is a good shot at this time in the game. Have you even read the game? Vig's are guarenteed in the setup and it's not "directing" vig shots. Threat of vig shot = threat of dying and if they are town they will stop trolling/step it up as I assume people enter this game to win. I think you're mistaking direction with pressure.
You are correct, at least one Vigi does exist. My mistake. I misread [UoN]'s post as indicating that the roles were merely possible not a given. On seeing your post I reread his filter to refute you. Turns out you had it right. My B.
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On December 10 2013 15:53 xigxag wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 15:49 Plutarch wrote:
Basically there is no way you can have a town read on kush and have it be meaningful or based on solid analysis, or any analysis at all. Or I am better than you. I have the read and you have not refuted it.
Doubtful.
What I am saying is that you have provided justification that kush is town and the entire reasoning that you provided can be used to justify both a town and a scum kush, thus, your justification is flawed and every reason you stated for kush to be town is in fact a null tell.
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On December 10 2013 15:49 Plutarch wrote:
Basically there is no way you can have a town read on kush and have it be meaningful or based on solid analysis, or any analysis at all.
But do you understand that you argument is probably weak? If I can't find a beater candidate, then you probably right
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On December 10 2013 15:58 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 15:53 xigxag wrote:On December 10 2013 15:49 Plutarch wrote:
Basically there is no way you can have a town read on kush and have it be meaningful or based on solid analysis, or any analysis at all. Or I am better than you. I have the read and you have not refuted it. Doubtful. What I am saying is that you have provided justification that kush is town and the entire reasoning that you provided can be used to justify both a town and a scum kush, thus, your justification is flawed and every reason you stated for kush to be town is in fact a null tell.
Juiceeewew
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On December 10 2013 15:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
not to mention that in TL Noire before kush got replaced out he was playing this lurky playstyle thing and his slot was scum
Like these high quality posts which were all attempts at looking like he was doing something. And not at all similar to how he has been posting this game?
On September 21 2013 11:35 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck it makes me really mad when people policy vote me! like it makes me want to troll just to spite them.
On September 21 2013 12:39 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 12:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 12:28 kushm4sta wrote:
um by scumhunting as a team you mean having a conversation between the two of you that no one else wants to read? if so please dont Just make the meta case and stfu before you do so. how the fuck do i make a case on someone when it's like an hour into the game??
On September 22 2013 11:29 kushm4sta wrote:
also when is the lynch
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On December 10 2013 15:58 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 15:53 xigxag wrote:On December 10 2013 15:49 Plutarch wrote:
Basically there is no way you can have a town read on kush and have it be meaningful or based on solid analysis, or any analysis at all. Or I am better than you. I have the read and you have not refuted it. Doubtful. What I am saying is that you have provided justification that kush is town and the entire reasoning that you provided can be used to justify both a town and a scum kush, thus, your justification is flawed and every reason you stated for kush to be town is in fact a null tell.
No in fact it cannot suggest a town or scum kush. The facts of the game thus far have one good interpretation and one sup optimal interpretation which you are using to suggest my read is invalid. You are ignoring the non-trivial nature of the different ways scum and town think about the game. Scum try to justify lynches, often by gaining thread presence. Town do not.
So far you have fought Corazon's scum case on Xatalos and my town case on Kush and yet you have not provided reads on either of those players. You have chosen to tear down cases and build up none of your own. Sit back on those heavy haunches of yours and remember that you have to make reads as well as talk shit.
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On December 10 2013 16:03 xigxag wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 15:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
not to mention that in TL Noire before kush got replaced out he was playing this lurky playstyle thing and his slot was scum Like these high quality posts which were all attempts at looking like he was doing something. And not at all similar to how he has been posting this game? Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 11:35 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck it makes me really mad when people policy vote me! like it makes me want to troll just to spite them. Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 12:39 kushm4sta wrote:On September 21 2013 12:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 12:28 kushm4sta wrote:
um by scumhunting as a team you mean having a conversation between the two of you that no one else wants to read? if so please dont Just make the meta case and stfu before you do so. how the fuck do i make a case on someone when it's like an hour into the game??
Noire was before ##. In Noire he was still angry. During the course of the ## game he took a step back and posts much more docile now.
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I am alive!
My connection is incredibly awful though.
Vote Count:
XATALOS (2) : Corazon, Artanis
ALAKASLAM (2) : VayneAuthority, Spaghetticus
CORAZON (3) : Holyflare, Xatalos, Plutarch
PURPLETRATOR (1) : Raynpelikoneet
SIDESPRANG (1) : LSB
NOT VOTING (9) : Pandain, Kushm4sta, Grackaroni, JarJarDrinks, Alakaslam, Sidesprang, xigxag, bumatlarge, purpletrator
Currently Corazon is set to be lynched.
Let me know if I missed anyone! No guarantees I'll fix it quickly.
Deadline is in
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