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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 10 2013 15:49 Plutarch wrote: Basically there is no way you can have a town read on kush and have it be meaningful or based on solid analysis, or any analysis at all. Damn you are good. Keep postind | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
Compare the quote you just linked: On September 21 2013 12:39 kushm4sta wrote: how the fuck do i make a case on someone when it's like an hour into the game?? to this from this game: On December 10 2013 08:29 kushm4sta wrote: dude you need to chillax. it's like hours into the game. Where is the difference apart from the complete lack of anything this game? He has like 4 posts and they all distinguish nada. It is impossible to get a "town read" on anyone with that lack of content so to enter the thread as that being the only information you bring to the table is something that is highly questionable. Now as someone who was scum and spammed and wrote things like that do you not think one would evolve scum play to avoid the things that people saw as questionable (in this case the spam from noir)? I don't like how you have addressed Xatalos and cora - the main contention points in this thread as a side note, talking about vig's and telling him to cool down. Was there a reason you decided to do that rather than elaborate on things that have been said? | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
I am more than aware of the differences in a scum and town mindset and I am telling you that there is no way you can tell. Do I think he is scum? I don't know. Do I think he is town? I don't know. And neither should you. Further, I have played in many games with kush and I can tell you that he is more than capable of this style of play as both alignments. What is odd though, is that you are defending a town read that is at best a large stretch to the hilt. And time and again people who provide town reads that I cant quite understand and who aren't able to provide solid reasons for those reads are scum. This kush read is very scummy. | ||
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xigxag
Venezuela39 Posts
Cor's first post was atrocious, you'll have no arguments from me on that front. His follow up as been too attention grabbing for me to desire to vote him on day one. He is worth pressuring though and I need to understand him more to get a real read on him which I would be willing to commit to. Xatalos pooped on everyone in a dumb way early in the game. Alienating that many players as scum early on is unwise, he loses too much support for his lynch should he do that. It makes me uncomfortable to lynch him day one. I still need to know more of course but for now I find him non lynchable, Also there is a thing about him which suggests non-scum. I haven't decided if it suggests Sebastian the crab or town but it does suggest non-town. As of this moment I have not yet found a player I am willing to lynch. You can tell by the way my vote has not yet fallen on anyone. | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
Also, just because they are not good lynches does not mean you can't elaborate on your reads on them, especially as they were both mentioned on your entry and are part of current events. You've given the information now so why was it that it needed to be dug for rather than your free kush town read and your need to look at alak more read? | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
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xigxag
Venezuela39 Posts
On December 10 2013 16:22 Plutarch wrote: Basically what you are saying is that even though your reasoning is flawed and you cannot provide better reasoning, your reasoning for him being town is good. And my reasoning for him being null is bad. Yet you cannot state why other than mentioning some non-specific facts of the game. I am more than aware of the differences in a scum and town mindset and I am telling you that there is no way you can tell. Do I think he is scum? I don't know. Do I think he is town? I don't know. And neither should you. Further, I have played in many games with kush and I can tell you that he is more than capable of this style of play as both alignments. What is odd though, is that you are defending a town read that is at best a large stretch to the hilt. And time and again people who provide town reads that I cant quite understand and who aren't able to provide solid reasons for those reads are scum. This kush read is very scummy. It isn't but I don't really care, Kush is likely town and I'm not willing to lynch him day one. I'll reassess him day two when more content exists. For now he appears town to me. Look On December 10 2013 07:03 kushm4sta wrote: Sorry but I'm doing a lurk strat this game! I disagree that it will ruin the game though. I don't think this post is possible as a scum player. Kush brings out his lurking from the beginning and makes the rest of the thread aware that he is planning on lurking. This is not something that a scum wants. It draws unnecessary attention and weakens his thread position. If you aren't interested in lynching Kush I have no interest in continuing this conversation. Since you are voting me I assume you have no intention of lynching Kush we can move on. Can you explain to me why you shut down the case from Cor on Xatalos but did not provide a counter read. All you did was tear it down, why? | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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xigxag
Venezuela39 Posts
On December 10 2013 16:29 Holyflare wrote: So, then what do you think on the points that I/LSB raised on sidesprang's introduction to the thread? Also, just because they are not good lynches does not mean you can't elaborate on your reads on them, especially as they were both mentioned on your entry and are part of current events. You've given the information now so why was it that it needed to be dug for rather than your free kush town read and your need to look at alak more read? I found them unimportant. Noting I had to say had been unsaid by the thread on the subjects of those two players. Things I had to say on Kush had been left unsaid. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 10 2013 16:25 xigxag wrote: I think neither Corazon or Xatalos are good lynches. Which is why I mentioned neither of them. Cor's first post was atrocious, you'll have no arguments from me on that front. His follow up as been too attention grabbing for me to desire to vote him on day one. He is worth pressuring though and I need to understand him more to get a real read on him which I would be willing to commit to. Xatalos pooped on everyone in a dumb way early in the game. Alienating that many players as scum early on is unwise, he loses too much support for his lynch should he do that. It makes me uncomfortable to lynch him day one. I still need to know more of course but for now I find him non lynchable, Also there is a thing about him which suggests non-scum. I haven't decided if it suggests Sebastian the crab or town but it does suggest non-town. As of this moment I have not yet found a player I am willing to lynch. You can tell by the way my vote has not yet fallen on anyone. Basically XigXag is saying he doesn't think Xatalos or Cora are good lynches then goes on to agree that cora was scummy and list scummy things about both. But makes sure he doesn't commit to a read. Oh and he doesn't know who he wants to lynch yet. Basically the scummiest most wishy-washy post in existence. In fact the only non wishy-washy thing he has posted is an inexplicable town read on kush that he hard defends based off absolutely nothing. Which in itself is scummy. Xigxag is scum. | ||
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xigxag
Venezuela39 Posts
On December 10 2013 16:33 VayneAuthority wrote: I will say though that playing as scum last game you probably realize that Slam basically adds another scum to the game as either alignment. So I'm fine with lynching him regardless unless something very convincing goes down. Why do you prefer a policy lynch on Alakaslam over an attempt to lynch scum. What benefit do you see town gaining from this policy lynch over an honest attempt to find scum. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On December 10 2013 16:33 VayneAuthority wrote: I will say though that playing as scum last game you probably realize that Slam basically adds another scum to the game as either alignment. So I'm fine with lynching him regardless unless something very convincing goes down. haha I will agree with that. You can already see him planning for his late game martyr in his posts this game. | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 10 2013 16:31 xigxag wrote: Can you explain to me why you shut down the case from Cor on Xatalos but did not provide a counter read. All you did was tear it down, why? I don't like bad cases. Just because I tear down a bad case doesn't require me to replace it with something. | ||
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xigxag
Venezuela39 Posts
On December 10 2013 16:34 Plutarch wrote: Basically XigXag is saying he doesn't think Xatalos or Cora are good lynches then goes on to agree that cora was scummy and list scummy things about both. But makes sure he doesn't commit to a read. Oh and he doesn't know who he wants to lynch yet. Basically the scummiest most wishy-washy post in existence. In fact the only non wishy-washy thing he has posted is an inexplicable town read on kush that he hard defends based off absolutely nothing. Which in itself is scummy. Xigxag is scum. yes, yes. Very nice. You don't like me. I get it. Instead of being useless by attacking me why don't you answer the question I've asked you twice now, It matters to my read on you. Along with that talk with me about Vayne. Vayne brought up Noir and when I looked at Noir and suggested that Kush was playing differently than he was there Vayne said to ignore Noir because of ## What has Vayne's goal been with his posting? To appear involved. Not to find scum. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On December 10 2013 16:34 xigxag wrote: Why do you prefer a policy lynch on Alakaslam over an attempt to lynch scum. What benefit do you see town gaining from this policy lynch over an honest attempt to find scum. On December 10 2013 09:15 VayneAuthority wrote: I would rather enjoy myself and lose then not enjoy it, hence why I am voting you alakaslam, scum or not. I do not care about lynching scum if im not having fun in the first place, that comes first. add in the fact that he goes out of his way to make it very difficult to win as town. A town alakaslam lynch is still a good lynch, I stand by that after last game | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 10 2013 16:37 xigxag wrote: yes, yes. Very nice. You don't like me. I get it. It's nothing personal. Just my job to find scum. And you happen to be scum. | ||
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