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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 10 2013 17:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are you suggesting you are not even reading the guy's posts you are voting for? Show me where he says he is new or a smurf. I just read his filter like 3 times. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
I don't think he is scum though and i think we should lynch purple for his terrible contributions that seem to be not trying to achieve anything and are based on things people can't even argue against in the first place. | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 10 2013 17:12 xigxag wrote: Your play, you are niggling over and over on a thing that doesn't feel right to you. You are self confident in a non-scum way "lol look at him squirm" since inciting a big fight with a townie is counter productive to scum agenda and I am a big fan of your answer when I asked you why you didn't build up a case you didn't flounder you simply stated that you didn't know what was right, only what was wrong. It suggested someone who was objectively reading cases and, if they had an issue with that case, making the issue known. All in all it seems likely that you are town. If you are scum you are one of the top scum players I've ever seen. So I'm going to assume that ockham had it right and you are town. I don't understand. How can you justify this read so well and then do the complete opposite for the kush read. For the record. This is a good read. That kush read was awful. But this post seems awfully townie so I think I will unvote for now. ##unvote If you could let me know if you are a smurf or not that would be helpful. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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xigxag
Venezuela39 Posts
On December 10 2013 17:23 Plutarch wrote: I don't understand. How can you justify this read so well and then do the complete opposite for the kush read. For the record. This is a good read. That kush read was awful. But this post seems awfully townie so I think I will unvote for now. ##unvote If you could let me know if you are a smurf or not that would be helpful. Whether or not you agree with me the kush read is as well thought out and supported by the facts * Rayn the Pelican: what is it about Purple's particular lack of contribution that makes him a better lynch than say the pasta duo of beefaroni and spaghetti *unless Kush flips mafia in which case I was totes trolling with that read because I am always right. Even when I'm not. | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 10 2013 17:28 xigxag wrote: Whether or not you agree with me the kush read is as well thought out and supported by the facts * Rayn the Pelican: what is it about Purple's particular lack of contribution that makes him a better lynch than say the pasta duo of beefaroni and spaghetti *unless Kush flips mafia in which case I was totes trolling with that read because I am always right. Even when I'm not. This is wrong. Absolutely and complete. Now you seem scummy again. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
He votes for LSB based on this: On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote: You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Ya, sure. Reveal please![/QUOTE] It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch. ##Vote: LSB[/QUOTE] First of all the first contribution is never going to achieve anything. What's LSB supposed to answer as town or as scum and how does purple gain something from it? There is no way it's going to do anything. Then he calls the question hypothetical, but still it somehow gives him a reason to vote for LSB. Why? And how does this tell him LSB "does not give shit about the lynch"? This whole interaction makes no sense from the beginning because there is no possible way purple is going to gain any sort of information on LSB by this. Then this happens: On December 10 2013 08:55 purpletrator wrote: i went to look at LSB's old games, only actually looked at PYP which is still ongoing and decided I'd seen enough to unvote him. This is why he unvotes LSB. Does this look like a reason to unvote? Because "LSB does not read properly in either of the games". This makes him town how? Regardless of LSB's alignment in PYP game this certainly does not make him town because not reading properly is not alignment indicative and doing something in both of these games does not make LSB town here. On top of that, nobody is even allowed to agree/diagree with that "meta-read" because the PYP game is going on. The whole evolution of his LSB-read and interactions with him are completely nonsensical, can't possibly achieve anything and do not even have any sort of logic behind them. | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On December 10 2013 17:40 Plutarch wrote: For the record. I don't think Xigxag is a smurf. Actually yeah, you are right. Why did you call him out for his kush read? Didn't it seem to you he actually did believe in his logic behind the read? What does he gain from giving kush a town read as if we assume kush is either alignment? | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
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xigxag
Venezuela39 Posts
On December 10 2013 17:38 Plutarch wrote: This is wrong. Absolutely and complete. Now you seem scummy again. do we have to dance the dance again? we disagree on kush. I have him right now as probable town look at him again d2, I don't believe he is getting lynched he sure isn't getting nightkilled so why don't we move on and readdress this later. Mr Pelican: I find your poorly formatted case decently persuasive. I am not opposed to the purple lynch. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
Why we should lynch purpletrator: He votes for LSB based on this: On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote: You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"? To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy. It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch. ##Vote: LSB First of all the first contribution is never going to achieve anything. What's LSB supposed to answer as town or as scum and how does purple gain something from it? There is no way it's going to do anything. Then he calls the question hypothetical, but still it somehow gives him a reason to vote for LSB. Why? And how does this tell him LSB "does not give shit about the lynch"? This whole interaction makes no sense from the beginning because there is no possible way purple is going to gain any sort of information on LSB by this. Then this happens: On December 10 2013 08:55 purpletrator wrote: i went to look at LSB's old games, only actually looked at PYP which is still ongoing and decided I'd seen enough to unvote him. This is why he unvotes LSB. Does this look like a reason to unvote? Because "LSB does not read properly in either of the games". This makes him town how? Regardless of LSB's alignment in PYP game this certainly does not make him town because not reading properly is not alignment indicative and doing something in both of these games does not make LSB town here. On top of that, nobody is even allowed to agree/diagree with that "meta-read" because the PYP game is going on. The whole evolution of his LSB-read and interactions with him are completely nonsensical, can't possibly achieve anything and do not even have any sort of logic behind them. | ||
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xigxag
Venezuela39 Posts
Likely scum so far Holyflare-he was tossing shit on me while I was a target of choice and now that I'm totes town he has fucked off and hidden Vayne-for what I said already Purple-for what The Pelican just said | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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xigxag
Venezuela39 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 10 2013 16:25 xigxag wrote: I think neither Corazon or Xatalos are good lynches. Which is why I mentioned neither of them. Cor's first post was atrocious, you'll have no arguments from me on that front. His follow up as been too attention grabbing for me to desire to vote him on day one. He is worth pressuring though and I need to understand him more to get a real read on him which I would be willing to commit to. Xatalos pooped on everyone in a dumb way early in the game. Alienating that many players as scum early on is unwise, he loses too much support for his lynch should he do that. It makes me uncomfortable to lynch him day one. I still need to know more of course but for now I find him non lynchable, Also there is a thing about him which suggests non-scum. I haven't decided if it suggests Sebastian the crab or town but it does suggest non-town. As of this moment I have not yet found a player I am willing to lynch. You can tell by the way my vote has not yet fallen on anyone. I think this quote displays my intentions quite well. Interchangeable with your name of course. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 10 2013 17:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually yeah, you are right. Why did you call him out for his kush read? Didn't it seem to you he actually did believe in his logic behind the read? What does he gain from giving kush a town read as if we assume kush is either alignment? Because it was awful. There was no logic behind the read to believe in at all and his justification was some ambiguous reference to the 'facts of the game'. There is a reason to give town reads to townies as scum and that is because it gives you something to talk about that you know to be true. That is much easier than trying to fake a read on someone that you know to be false. Often newer scum players will give town reads to people easily with little reason in order to contribute or appear to be contributing. Whereas townies whom are naturally suspicious will not give town reads unless they have very good reasons. That is why it is important to both pressure people's town reads for justification and then assess whether the read is justifiable or not. If it is not justifiable and the player cannot justify it well at all then it is likely that player is far more likely to be scum. If they can give very good reasons for their town read that person is less likely to be scum. Xigxag's atrocious town read on Kush seems scummy to me. And the wishy-washiness of his posts around Xatalos and Cora and his attack on Vayne are scummy too. His only redeeming post in the entire game is his justification of his read on me and I'm not sure if that is enough. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
Again do you think he is using shitty logic on purpose and when half of the thread calls him out for it he stubbornly stands by his words instead of concluding he might be wrong and that might not in fact make kush town? | ||
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