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On May 01 2013 07:08 Antyee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 06:49 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one. Of course. Unfortunately we are not a truly tolerant society. We are working toward that end. Many of us are already there as individuals, but on the whole, we still have many many people who are straggling behind who require a lot of help to move forward with the rest of us, which is why something like this hits the news. The very existence of this thread proves this wrong. When every third comment is basically "if you think there is something wrong with being gay, you are an ignorant, retarded, stupid, go-dieinhell person"; then it can't even be further from tolerance. How about just not giving a shit about it? Why would anyone say he is gay or not, when noone is asking? As far as I know, basketball has nothing to do with your sexual preferences. This is at least the fault of gay-supporters than not. Bringing an issue up in completely irrelevant topics. While certainly people shouldn't be rude about presuading you to be more tolerant, I hope you're not advocating people just be tolerant of others being intolerant...? If so, well that can be pretty much said about anything. People are ofcourse free to their own thoughts, but when they start mistreating or in some way discriminate against people they've most certainly lost any rights of tolerance from society. I will agree though that it is a shame that this is actually news in this time and age, but first steps almost always are. Hopefully this will inspire others to not be afraid to come out.
Edit: About Mike Wallace, while his tweet was stupid, I do agree with him in a sense. When I look at a man, I don't understand gay guys, but that's why I'm not gay. So just a bit redundant tweet which just doesn't add anything(atleast good) to the discussion. Btw reading the thread I'm not sure about the showering. I mean I don't find anything wrong with gay dudes showering with straight men, but I still wonder why there is no attraction, if it's just maybe because they were brought up showering with other men so there was never any sexual tension there. I can atleast say that showering with a beautiful woman I dare say she will be pretty quick seeing my... enthusiasm
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On May 01 2013 09:27 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 08:55 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Who cares about what his sexual orientation is or anyone's for that manner.....you don't hear other sports players saying "O'm straight".......this is more of a publicity stunt as now more people will know hos name.
Nonetheless I could care less whether hes gay or not or anyone for that manner keep it to yourself its personal. By the same token then - why should he keep it to himself if it doesn't matter? I talk about how much I love boobs with my guy friends sometimes. If he wants to talk about how much he loves rock hard man abs or something he should be able to. The fact that he's just coming out in his thirties reveals more about our culture than about him personally - in my opinion at least. I don't think gay people sit around waiting for the most lucrative opportunity to reveal themselves to the public. He's probably known he was gay for a long time - but was afraid of the negative social stigma. Like someone else has said in this thread (KwarK?) being straight makes you privileged in this society in the same way that being white does ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege) - even if you don't actually recognize that priviledge yourself. You are not at fault, per se, but there are certain things you take for granted as a privileged individual. Everyone assumes you are straight - so you don't feel that it's necessary to clarify sexual orientation - but if everyone assumed you were gay - wouldn't you feel the need to clarify that point? Look at it this way. If you are white in the US - you generally don't have to worry about people being racist towards you. You don't have to worry about explaining to your children "yeah, that guy's an ignorant racist, don't listen to him." However, if you are an ethnic minority - you might have to explain to your children why some idiots at school call them names or treat them differently. It's all a matter of perspective.
I don't care if a human being is straight or not. Whatever their sexual orientation is should be personal. If he likes to take it in the ass so be it. If he likes pussy so be it.
who cares. Its personal.
People make too much of a big deal about stuff like this.
I think that hes doing it for media attention (which he succeeded at) and publicity which leads to more money.
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On May 01 2013 09:27 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 08:55 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Who cares about what his sexual orientation is or anyone's for that manner.....you don't hear other sports players saying "O'm straight".......this is more of a publicity stunt as now more people will know hos name.
Nonetheless I could care less whether hes gay or not or anyone for that manner keep it to yourself its personal. By the same token then - why should he keep it to himself if it doesn't matter? I talk about how much I love boobs with my guy friends sometimes. If he wants to talk about how much he loves rock hard man abs or something he should be able to. The fact that he's just coming out in his thirties reveals more about our culture than about him personally - in my opinion at least. I don't think gay people sit around waiting for the most lucrative opportunity to reveal themselves to the public. He's probably known he was gay for a long time - but was afraid of the negative social stigma. Like someone else has said in this thread (KwarK?) being straight makes you privileged in this society in the same way that being white does ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege) - even if you don't actually recognize that priviledge yourself. You are not at fault, per se, but there are certain things you take for granted as a privileged individual. Everyone assumes you are straight - so you don't feel that it's necessary to clarify sexual orientation - but if everyone assumed you were gay - wouldn't you feel the need to clarify that point? Look at it this way. If you are white in the US - you generally don't have to worry about people being racist towards you. You don't have to worry about explaining to your children "yeah, that guy's an ignorant racist, don't listen to him." However, if you are an ethnic minority - you might have to explain to your children why some idiots at school call them names or treat them differently. It's all a matter of perspective.
I'm sorry but being where I come from if you're white you are NOT privileged. Good luck getting welfare being white.
I'm not racist or prejudice and am properly more open minded than anyone in this thread but the honest truth is that people that base anything around a persons personal belief or the color of their skin is very close minded AND sexual orientation should be kept private I don't hear people running around talking about how they like dick or pussy.
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On May 01 2013 10:24 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:27 Arghmyliver wrote:On May 01 2013 08:55 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Who cares about what his sexual orientation is or anyone's for that manner.....you don't hear other sports players saying "O'm straight".......this is more of a publicity stunt as now more people will know hos name.
Nonetheless I could care less whether hes gay or not or anyone for that manner keep it to yourself its personal. By the same token then - why should he keep it to himself if it doesn't matter? I talk about how much I love boobs with my guy friends sometimes. If he wants to talk about how much he loves rock hard man abs or something he should be able to. The fact that he's just coming out in his thirties reveals more about our culture than about him personally - in my opinion at least. I don't think gay people sit around waiting for the most lucrative opportunity to reveal themselves to the public. He's probably known he was gay for a long time - but was afraid of the negative social stigma. Like someone else has said in this thread (KwarK?) being straight makes you privileged in this society in the same way that being white does ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege) - even if you don't actually recognize that priviledge yourself. You are not at fault, per se, but there are certain things you take for granted as a privileged individual. Everyone assumes you are straight - so you don't feel that it's necessary to clarify sexual orientation - but if everyone assumed you were gay - wouldn't you feel the need to clarify that point? Look at it this way. If you are white in the US - you generally don't have to worry about people being racist towards you. You don't have to worry about explaining to your children "yeah, that guy's an ignorant racist, don't listen to him." However, if you are an ethnic minority - you might have to explain to your children why some idiots at school call them names or treat them differently. It's all a matter of perspective. I'm sorry but being where I come from if you're white you are NOT privileged. Good luck getting welfare being white. I'm not racist or prejudice and am properly more open minded than anyone in this thread but the honest truth is that people that base anything around a persons personal belief or the color of their skin is very close minded AND sexual orientation should be kept private I don't hear people running around talking about how they like dick or pussy.
I guess you have never been to high-school or college then?
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It must have taken much courage for him to announce it.
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On May 01 2013 07:46 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 07:08 Antyee wrote:On May 01 2013 06:49 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one. Of course. Unfortunately we are not a truly tolerant society. We are working toward that end. Many of us are already there as individuals, but on the whole, we still have many many people who are straggling behind who require a lot of help to move forward with the rest of us, which is why something like this hits the news. The very existence of this thread proves this wrong. When every third comment is basically "if you think there is something wrong with being gay, you are an ignorant, retarded, stupid, go-dieinhell person"; then it can't even be further from tolerance. How about just not giving a shit about it? Why would anyone say he is gay or not, when noone is asking? As far as I know, basketball has nothing to do with your sexual preferences. This is at least the fault of gay-supporters than not. Bringing an issue up in completely irrelevant topics. No-one is asking questions about sexuality because the default assumption is that you're straight which, as a straight person, suits you just fine. This is called privilege, you can't see the issues because they don't impact you and therefore you conclude that there are no issues. However not everyone is straight, for some people the barrage of "you must be attracted to this", "you must be like this", "this is how a man is defined" comprises an unrelenting assault on their identity. You can dismiss things as having nothing to do with sexual preference because your sexual preference is aligned with the prevailing current and blends in seamlessly, other people are not so lucky. You don't have to understand what it feels like to have the "wrong" sexual preference, it's an alien concept to most people, but you ought to recognise your inherent hetero privilege. You get to see the world as not challenging your sexual identity because it doesn't challenge yours but that doesn't give you a platform to dismiss the experiences of others from. Stop talking about privilege, it's embarassing.
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"Cool" Is what I thought when I heard about his announcement.
It neither affects me personally nor whether I'll ever watch NBA. Cool.
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On May 01 2013 10:47 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 07:46 KwarK wrote:On May 01 2013 07:08 Antyee wrote:On May 01 2013 06:49 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one. Of course. Unfortunately we are not a truly tolerant society. We are working toward that end. Many of us are already there as individuals, but on the whole, we still have many many people who are straggling behind who require a lot of help to move forward with the rest of us, which is why something like this hits the news. The very existence of this thread proves this wrong. When every third comment is basically "if you think there is something wrong with being gay, you are an ignorant, retarded, stupid, go-dieinhell person"; then it can't even be further from tolerance. How about just not giving a shit about it? Why would anyone say he is gay or not, when noone is asking? As far as I know, basketball has nothing to do with your sexual preferences. This is at least the fault of gay-supporters than not. Bringing an issue up in completely irrelevant topics. No-one is asking questions about sexuality because the default assumption is that you're straight which, as a straight person, suits you just fine. This is called privilege, you can't see the issues because they don't impact you and therefore you conclude that there are no issues. However not everyone is straight, for some people the barrage of "you must be attracted to this", "you must be like this", "this is how a man is defined" comprises an unrelenting assault on their identity. You can dismiss things as having nothing to do with sexual preference because your sexual preference is aligned with the prevailing current and blends in seamlessly, other people are not so lucky. You don't have to understand what it feels like to have the "wrong" sexual preference, it's an alien concept to most people, but you ought to recognise your inherent hetero privilege. You get to see the world as not challenging your sexual identity because it doesn't challenge yours but that doesn't give you a platform to dismiss the experiences of others from. Stop talking about privilege, it's embarassing. The irony of it here is that kwark is talking about it correctly when most of the time its talked about incorrectly. Most of what gets talked about with privilege is simply taking it way to far and it becoming simply reverse racism or sexism.
Its a lot like feminism. Its a legitimate argument and ideology even if people take it too far most of the time and it gets a bad rap for that.
On May 01 2013 11:15 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 10:47 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote:On May 01 2013 07:46 KwarK wrote:On May 01 2013 07:08 Antyee wrote:On May 01 2013 06:49 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one. Of course. Unfortunately we are not a truly tolerant society. We are working toward that end. Many of us are already there as individuals, but on the whole, we still have many many people who are straggling behind who require a lot of help to move forward with the rest of us, which is why something like this hits the news. The very existence of this thread proves this wrong. When every third comment is basically "if you think there is something wrong with being gay, you are an ignorant, retarded, stupid, go-dieinhell person"; then it can't even be further from tolerance. How about just not giving a shit about it? Why would anyone say he is gay or not, when noone is asking? As far as I know, basketball has nothing to do with your sexual preferences. This is at least the fault of gay-supporters than not. Bringing an issue up in completely irrelevant topics. No-one is asking questions about sexuality because the default assumption is that you're straight which, as a straight person, suits you just fine. This is called privilege, you can't see the issues because they don't impact you and therefore you conclude that there are no issues. However not everyone is straight, for some people the barrage of "you must be attracted to this", "you must be like this", "this is how a man is defined" comprises an unrelenting assault on their identity. You can dismiss things as having nothing to do with sexual preference because your sexual preference is aligned with the prevailing current and blends in seamlessly, other people are not so lucky. You don't have to understand what it feels like to have the "wrong" sexual preference, it's an alien concept to most people, but you ought to recognise your inherent hetero privilege. You get to see the world as not challenging your sexual identity because it doesn't challenge yours but that doesn't give you a platform to dismiss the experiences of others from. Stop talking about privilege, it's embarassing. How is it embarrassing? Because almost all the time when people talk about privilege its used to shame white people for being raciest because they're white. Or to shame males because they're sexist for being males. Or to shame people who live in the country because they don't care about poor people in the city.
You can talk about it because its a thing but please don't use sexism and racism because your angry at racists or sexists, its embarrassing.
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On May 01 2013 10:47 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 07:46 KwarK wrote:On May 01 2013 07:08 Antyee wrote:On May 01 2013 06:49 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one. Of course. Unfortunately we are not a truly tolerant society. We are working toward that end. Many of us are already there as individuals, but on the whole, we still have many many people who are straggling behind who require a lot of help to move forward with the rest of us, which is why something like this hits the news. The very existence of this thread proves this wrong. When every third comment is basically "if you think there is something wrong with being gay, you are an ignorant, retarded, stupid, go-dieinhell person"; then it can't even be further from tolerance. How about just not giving a shit about it? Why would anyone say he is gay or not, when noone is asking? As far as I know, basketball has nothing to do with your sexual preferences. This is at least the fault of gay-supporters than not. Bringing an issue up in completely irrelevant topics. No-one is asking questions about sexuality because the default assumption is that you're straight which, as a straight person, suits you just fine. This is called privilege, you can't see the issues because they don't impact you and therefore you conclude that there are no issues. However not everyone is straight, for some people the barrage of "you must be attracted to this", "you must be like this", "this is how a man is defined" comprises an unrelenting assault on their identity. You can dismiss things as having nothing to do with sexual preference because your sexual preference is aligned with the prevailing current and blends in seamlessly, other people are not so lucky. You don't have to understand what it feels like to have the "wrong" sexual preference, it's an alien concept to most people, but you ought to recognise your inherent hetero privilege. You get to see the world as not challenging your sexual identity because it doesn't challenge yours but that doesn't give you a platform to dismiss the experiences of others from. Stop talking about privilege, it's embarassing. How is it embarrassing?
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On May 01 2013 10:24 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:27 Arghmyliver wrote:On May 01 2013 08:55 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Who cares about what his sexual orientation is or anyone's for that manner.....you don't hear other sports players saying "O'm straight".......this is more of a publicity stunt as now more people will know hos name.
Nonetheless I could care less whether hes gay or not or anyone for that manner keep it to yourself its personal. By the same token then - why should he keep it to himself if it doesn't matter? I talk about how much I love boobs with my guy friends sometimes. If he wants to talk about how much he loves rock hard man abs or something he should be able to. The fact that he's just coming out in his thirties reveals more about our culture than about him personally - in my opinion at least. I don't think gay people sit around waiting for the most lucrative opportunity to reveal themselves to the public. He's probably known he was gay for a long time - but was afraid of the negative social stigma. Like someone else has said in this thread (KwarK?) being straight makes you privileged in this society in the same way that being white does ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege) - even if you don't actually recognize that privilege yourself. You are not at fault, per se, but there are certain things you take for granted as a privileged individual. Everyone assumes you are straight - so you don't feel that it's necessary to clarify sexual orientation - but if everyone assumed you were gay - wouldn't you feel the need to clarify that point? Look at it this way. If you are white in the US - you generally don't have to worry about people being racist towards you. You don't have to worry about explaining to your children "yeah, that guy's an ignorant racist, don't listen to him." However, if you are an ethnic minority - you might have to explain to your children why some idiots at school call them names or treat them differently. It's all a matter of perspective. I'm sorry but being where I come from if you're white you are NOT privileged. Good luck getting welfare being white. I'm not racist or prejudice and am properly more open minded than anyone in this thread but the honest truth is that people that base anything around a persons personal belief or the color of their skin is very close minded AND sexual orientation should be kept private I don't hear people running around talking about how they like dick or pussy.
I actually hear about it all the time. Maybe no one says "I like dick/pussy/both. I mean I REALLY like dick/pussy/both. Did I ever tell you how much I like dick/pussy/both?" but people certainly do (and certainly should be able to) say "Wow - check out the hottie at the bar." Step out of the equation and think about it for a second.
That's fine if you come from an area where white people were historically oppressed (where is this again?) but obfuscating the point isn't a defense of your argument. Historically - homosexuality has been maligned the world over - but no one has ever significantly oppressed heterosexuality. As a heterosexual individual you have NEVER been afraid for your personal physical or emotional well-being due to your sexuality. It's not the same with any other orientation. Saying "We should just ignore it because it doesn't matter" is not an option for those people - because, unfortunately for them, it DOES matter, not only because there are still assholes in the world who claim homosexuals are the antichrist or whatever, but also because they should be able to go to the bar and say "DAMN, look at that sexy manmuffin" without anyone saying "Ew, nobody asked about that keep it to yourself."
Anyways heres a relevant quote from Stephen Fry "“At least 260 species of animal have been noted exhibiting homosexual behaviour but only one species of animal ever, so far as we know, has exhibited homophobic behaviour — and that’s the human being. So ask which is really natural.”
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On May 01 2013 10:53 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 10:47 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote:On May 01 2013 07:46 KwarK wrote:On May 01 2013 07:08 Antyee wrote:On May 01 2013 06:49 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one. Of course. Unfortunately we are not a truly tolerant society. We are working toward that end. Many of us are already there as individuals, but on the whole, we still have many many people who are straggling behind who require a lot of help to move forward with the rest of us, which is why something like this hits the news. The very existence of this thread proves this wrong. When every third comment is basically "if you think there is something wrong with being gay, you are an ignorant, retarded, stupid, go-dieinhell person"; then it can't even be further from tolerance. How about just not giving a shit about it? Why would anyone say he is gay or not, when noone is asking? As far as I know, basketball has nothing to do with your sexual preferences. This is at least the fault of gay-supporters than not. Bringing an issue up in completely irrelevant topics. No-one is asking questions about sexuality because the default assumption is that you're straight which, as a straight person, suits you just fine. This is called privilege, you can't see the issues because they don't impact you and therefore you conclude that there are no issues. However not everyone is straight, for some people the barrage of "you must be attracted to this", "you must be like this", "this is how a man is defined" comprises an unrelenting assault on their identity. You can dismiss things as having nothing to do with sexual preference because your sexual preference is aligned with the prevailing current and blends in seamlessly, other people are not so lucky. You don't have to understand what it feels like to have the "wrong" sexual preference, it's an alien concept to most people, but you ought to recognise your inherent hetero privilege. You get to see the world as not challenging your sexual identity because it doesn't challenge yours but that doesn't give you a platform to dismiss the experiences of others from. Stop talking about privilege, it's embarassing. The irony of it here is that kwark is talking about it correctly when most of the time its talked about incorrectly. Most of what gets talked about with privilege is simply taking it way to far and it becoming simply reverse racism or sexism. Its a lot like feminism. Its a legitimate argument and ideology even if people take it too far most of the time and it gets a bad rap for that. Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 11:15 farvacola wrote:On May 01 2013 10:47 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote:On May 01 2013 07:46 KwarK wrote:On May 01 2013 07:08 Antyee wrote:On May 01 2013 06:49 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one. Of course. Unfortunately we are not a truly tolerant society. We are working toward that end. Many of us are already there as individuals, but on the whole, we still have many many people who are straggling behind who require a lot of help to move forward with the rest of us, which is why something like this hits the news. The very existence of this thread proves this wrong. When every third comment is basically "if you think there is something wrong with being gay, you are an ignorant, retarded, stupid, go-dieinhell person"; then it can't even be further from tolerance. How about just not giving a shit about it? Why would anyone say he is gay or not, when noone is asking? As far as I know, basketball has nothing to do with your sexual preferences. This is at least the fault of gay-supporters than not. Bringing an issue up in completely irrelevant topics. No-one is asking questions about sexuality because the default assumption is that you're straight which, as a straight person, suits you just fine. This is called privilege, you can't see the issues because they don't impact you and therefore you conclude that there are no issues. However not everyone is straight, for some people the barrage of "you must be attracted to this", "you must be like this", "this is how a man is defined" comprises an unrelenting assault on their identity. You can dismiss things as having nothing to do with sexual preference because your sexual preference is aligned with the prevailing current and blends in seamlessly, other people are not so lucky. You don't have to understand what it feels like to have the "wrong" sexual preference, it's an alien concept to most people, but you ought to recognise your inherent hetero privilege. You get to see the world as not challenging your sexual identity because it doesn't challenge yours but that doesn't give you a platform to dismiss the experiences of others from. Stop talking about privilege, it's embarassing. How is it embarrassing? Because almost all the time when people talk about privilege its used to shame white people for being raciest because they're white. Or to shame males because they're sexist for being males. Or to shame people who live in the country because they don't care about poor people in the city. You can talk about it because its a thing but please don't use sexism and racism because your angry at racists or sexists, its embarrassing. Because people improperly talk about privilege does not make talking about privilege embarrassing in general. Furthermore, KwarK's post approaches the topic in a diplomatic and appropriate manner, further reinforcing the notion that this LurkersGonnaLurk's "don't do this, it's embrassing" statement amounts to little more than stupidity.
"almost all the time" almost always means "in my experience" anyhow.
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On May 01 2013 10:53 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 10:47 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote:On May 01 2013 07:46 KwarK wrote:On May 01 2013 07:08 Antyee wrote:On May 01 2013 06:49 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one. Of course. Unfortunately we are not a truly tolerant society. We are working toward that end. Many of us are already there as individuals, but on the whole, we still have many many people who are straggling behind who require a lot of help to move forward with the rest of us, which is why something like this hits the news. The very existence of this thread proves this wrong. When every third comment is basically "if you think there is something wrong with being gay, you are an ignorant, retarded, stupid, go-dieinhell person"; then it can't even be further from tolerance. How about just not giving a shit about it? Why would anyone say he is gay or not, when noone is asking? As far as I know, basketball has nothing to do with your sexual preferences. This is at least the fault of gay-supporters than not. Bringing an issue up in completely irrelevant topics. No-one is asking questions about sexuality because the default assumption is that you're straight which, as a straight person, suits you just fine. This is called privilege, you can't see the issues because they don't impact you and therefore you conclude that there are no issues. However not everyone is straight, for some people the barrage of "you must be attracted to this", "you must be like this", "this is how a man is defined" comprises an unrelenting assault on their identity. You can dismiss things as having nothing to do with sexual preference because your sexual preference is aligned with the prevailing current and blends in seamlessly, other people are not so lucky. You don't have to understand what it feels like to have the "wrong" sexual preference, it's an alien concept to most people, but you ought to recognise your inherent hetero privilege. You get to see the world as not challenging your sexual identity because it doesn't challenge yours but that doesn't give you a platform to dismiss the experiences of others from. Stop talking about privilege, it's embarassing. The irony of it here is that kwark is talking about it correctly when most of the time its talked about incorrectly. Most of what gets talked about with privilege is simply taking it way to far and it becoming simply reverse racism or sexism. Its a lot like feminism. Its a legitimate argument and ideology even if people take it too far most of the time and it gets a bad rap for that. Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 11:15 farvacola wrote:On May 01 2013 10:47 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote:On May 01 2013 07:46 KwarK wrote:On May 01 2013 07:08 Antyee wrote:On May 01 2013 06:49 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one. Of course. Unfortunately we are not a truly tolerant society. We are working toward that end. Many of us are already there as individuals, but on the whole, we still have many many people who are straggling behind who require a lot of help to move forward with the rest of us, which is why something like this hits the news. The very existence of this thread proves this wrong. When every third comment is basically "if you think there is something wrong with being gay, you are an ignorant, retarded, stupid, go-dieinhell person"; then it can't even be further from tolerance. How about just not giving a shit about it? Why would anyone say he is gay or not, when noone is asking? As far as I know, basketball has nothing to do with your sexual preferences. This is at least the fault of gay-supporters than not. Bringing an issue up in completely irrelevant topics. No-one is asking questions about sexuality because the default assumption is that you're straight which, as a straight person, suits you just fine. This is called privilege, you can't see the issues because they don't impact you and therefore you conclude that there are no issues. However not everyone is straight, for some people the barrage of "you must be attracted to this", "you must be like this", "this is how a man is defined" comprises an unrelenting assault on their identity. You can dismiss things as having nothing to do with sexual preference because your sexual preference is aligned with the prevailing current and blends in seamlessly, other people are not so lucky. You don't have to understand what it feels like to have the "wrong" sexual preference, it's an alien concept to most people, but you ought to recognise your inherent hetero privilege. You get to see the world as not challenging your sexual identity because it doesn't challenge yours but that doesn't give you a platform to dismiss the experiences of others from. Stop talking about privilege, it's embarassing. How is it embarrassing? Because almost all the time when people talk about privilege its used to shame white people for being raciest because they're white. Or to shame males because they're sexist for being males. Or to shame people who live in the country because they don't care about poor people in the city. You can talk about it because its a thing but please don't use sexism and racism because your angry at racists or sexists, its embarrassing.
I don't think that's quite what he means. Usually when we refer to something like "White Privilege" or "Heterosexual Privilege" we mean advantages you don't necessarily think about, or think about as advantages. No one is accusing you of anything - or trying to shame you - we just want you to step out of the Hermaneutical Circle if you will and think about things objectively. Whether you are racist or not (and it's most likely not) there are certain things that you may not have to deal with that others do and vice versa. No one is judging you don't worry ^_^! Everybody should love each other of course!
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On May 01 2013 10:26 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 10:24 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On May 01 2013 09:27 Arghmyliver wrote:On May 01 2013 08:55 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Who cares about what his sexual orientation is or anyone's for that manner.....you don't hear other sports players saying "O'm straight".......this is more of a publicity stunt as now more people will know hos name.
Nonetheless I could care less whether hes gay or not or anyone for that manner keep it to yourself its personal. By the same token then - why should he keep it to himself if it doesn't matter? I talk about how much I love boobs with my guy friends sometimes. If he wants to talk about how much he loves rock hard man abs or something he should be able to. The fact that he's just coming out in his thirties reveals more about our culture than about him personally - in my opinion at least. I don't think gay people sit around waiting for the most lucrative opportunity to reveal themselves to the public. He's probably known he was gay for a long time - but was afraid of the negative social stigma. Like someone else has said in this thread (KwarK?) being straight makes you privileged in this society in the same way that being white does ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege) - even if you don't actually recognize that priviledge yourself. You are not at fault, per se, but there are certain things you take for granted as a privileged individual. Everyone assumes you are straight - so you don't feel that it's necessary to clarify sexual orientation - but if everyone assumed you were gay - wouldn't you feel the need to clarify that point? Look at it this way. If you are white in the US - you generally don't have to worry about people being racist towards you. You don't have to worry about explaining to your children "yeah, that guy's an ignorant racist, don't listen to him." However, if you are an ethnic minority - you might have to explain to your children why some idiots at school call them names or treat them differently. It's all a matter of perspective. I'm sorry but being where I come from if you're white you are NOT privileged. Good luck getting welfare being white. I'm not racist or prejudice and am properly more open minded than anyone in this thread but the honest truth is that people that base anything around a persons personal belief or the color of their skin is very close minded AND sexual orientation should be kept private I don't hear people running around talking about how they like dick or pussy. I guess you have never been to high-school or college then?
If your counter argument is based on 14-21 year old's talking about something they have little to no experience about... that is not very compelling evidence.
The thing most people have a problem with on this story is that if we disagree with his lifestyle, we get put into a stereotype of ignorance. I would spend more time on that hypocritical stance, but this is not the time or place.
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On May 01 2013 11:37 catabowl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 10:26 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On May 01 2013 10:24 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On May 01 2013 09:27 Arghmyliver wrote:On May 01 2013 08:55 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Who cares about what his sexual orientation is or anyone's for that manner.....you don't hear other sports players saying "O'm straight".......this is more of a publicity stunt as now more people will know hos name.
Nonetheless I could care less whether hes gay or not or anyone for that manner keep it to yourself its personal. By the same token then - why should he keep it to himself if it doesn't matter? I talk about how much I love boobs with my guy friends sometimes. If he wants to talk about how much he loves rock hard man abs or something he should be able to. The fact that he's just coming out in his thirties reveals more about our culture than about him personally - in my opinion at least. I don't think gay people sit around waiting for the most lucrative opportunity to reveal themselves to the public. He's probably known he was gay for a long time - but was afraid of the negative social stigma. Like someone else has said in this thread (KwarK?) being straight makes you privileged in this society in the same way that being white does ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege) - even if you don't actually recognize that priviledge yourself. You are not at fault, per se, but there are certain things you take for granted as a privileged individual. Everyone assumes you are straight - so you don't feel that it's necessary to clarify sexual orientation - but if everyone assumed you were gay - wouldn't you feel the need to clarify that point? Look at it this way. If you are white in the US - you generally don't have to worry about people being racist towards you. You don't have to worry about explaining to your children "yeah, that guy's an ignorant racist, don't listen to him." However, if you are an ethnic minority - you might have to explain to your children why some idiots at school call them names or treat them differently. It's all a matter of perspective. I'm sorry but being where I come from if you're white you are NOT privileged. Good luck getting welfare being white. I'm not racist or prejudice and am properly more open minded than anyone in this thread but the honest truth is that people that base anything around a persons personal belief or the color of their skin is very close minded AND sexual orientation should be kept private I don't hear people running around talking about how they like dick or pussy. I guess you have never been to high-school or college then? If your counter argument is based on 14-21 year old's talking about something they have little to no experience about... that is not very compelling evidence. The thing most people have a problem with on this story is that if we disagree with his lifestyle, we get put into a stereotype of ignorance. I would spend more time on that hypocritical stance, but this is not the time or place.
Perhaps he didn't give the best example - but have you ever commented to a friend on how attractive you think a girl is? It doesn't have to be all "I liek peenis!"
Edit: Also - someone being gay is kind of a difficult thing to disagree with. I don't know how you would go about doing that. "No you aren't?"
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On May 01 2013 11:37 catabowl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 10:26 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On May 01 2013 10:24 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On May 01 2013 09:27 Arghmyliver wrote:On May 01 2013 08:55 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Who cares about what his sexual orientation is or anyone's for that manner.....you don't hear other sports players saying "O'm straight".......this is more of a publicity stunt as now more people will know hos name.
Nonetheless I could care less whether hes gay or not or anyone for that manner keep it to yourself its personal. By the same token then - why should he keep it to himself if it doesn't matter? I talk about how much I love boobs with my guy friends sometimes. If he wants to talk about how much he loves rock hard man abs or something he should be able to. The fact that he's just coming out in his thirties reveals more about our culture than about him personally - in my opinion at least. I don't think gay people sit around waiting for the most lucrative opportunity to reveal themselves to the public. He's probably known he was gay for a long time - but was afraid of the negative social stigma. Like someone else has said in this thread (KwarK?) being straight makes you privileged in this society in the same way that being white does ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege) - even if you don't actually recognize that priviledge yourself. You are not at fault, per se, but there are certain things you take for granted as a privileged individual. Everyone assumes you are straight - so you don't feel that it's necessary to clarify sexual orientation - but if everyone assumed you were gay - wouldn't you feel the need to clarify that point? Look at it this way. If you are white in the US - you generally don't have to worry about people being racist towards you. You don't have to worry about explaining to your children "yeah, that guy's an ignorant racist, don't listen to him." However, if you are an ethnic minority - you might have to explain to your children why some idiots at school call them names or treat them differently. It's all a matter of perspective. I'm sorry but being where I come from if you're white you are NOT privileged. Good luck getting welfare being white. I'm not racist or prejudice and am properly more open minded than anyone in this thread but the honest truth is that people that base anything around a persons personal belief or the color of their skin is very close minded AND sexual orientation should be kept private I don't hear people running around talking about how they like dick or pussy. I guess you have never been to high-school or college then? If your counter argument is based on 14-21 year old's talking about something they have little to no experience about... that is not very compelling evidence. The thing most people have a problem with on this story is that if we disagree with his lifestyle, we get put into a stereotype of ignorance. I would spend more time on that hypocritical stance, but this is not the time or place.
Well of course you're considered ignorant. Disagreeing with someone's "gay lifestyle" is comparable to disagreeing with them for being born with brown eyes or white skin. Your position is entirely nonsensical but you expect us to agree with it as though it possesses any logic or evidence.
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On May 01 2013 11:35 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 10:53 Sermokala wrote:On May 01 2013 10:47 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote:On May 01 2013 07:46 KwarK wrote:On May 01 2013 07:08 Antyee wrote:On May 01 2013 06:49 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one. Of course. Unfortunately we are not a truly tolerant society. We are working toward that end. Many of us are already there as individuals, but on the whole, we still have many many people who are straggling behind who require a lot of help to move forward with the rest of us, which is why something like this hits the news. The very existence of this thread proves this wrong. When every third comment is basically "if you think there is something wrong with being gay, you are an ignorant, retarded, stupid, go-dieinhell person"; then it can't even be further from tolerance. How about just not giving a shit about it? Why would anyone say he is gay or not, when noone is asking? As far as I know, basketball has nothing to do with your sexual preferences. This is at least the fault of gay-supporters than not. Bringing an issue up in completely irrelevant topics. No-one is asking questions about sexuality because the default assumption is that you're straight which, as a straight person, suits you just fine. This is called privilege, you can't see the issues because they don't impact you and therefore you conclude that there are no issues. However not everyone is straight, for some people the barrage of "you must be attracted to this", "you must be like this", "this is how a man is defined" comprises an unrelenting assault on their identity. You can dismiss things as having nothing to do with sexual preference because your sexual preference is aligned with the prevailing current and blends in seamlessly, other people are not so lucky. You don't have to understand what it feels like to have the "wrong" sexual preference, it's an alien concept to most people, but you ought to recognise your inherent hetero privilege. You get to see the world as not challenging your sexual identity because it doesn't challenge yours but that doesn't give you a platform to dismiss the experiences of others from. Stop talking about privilege, it's embarassing. The irony of it here is that kwark is talking about it correctly when most of the time its talked about incorrectly. Most of what gets talked about with privilege is simply taking it way to far and it becoming simply reverse racism or sexism. Its a lot like feminism. Its a legitimate argument and ideology even if people take it too far most of the time and it gets a bad rap for that. On May 01 2013 11:15 farvacola wrote:On May 01 2013 10:47 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote:On May 01 2013 07:46 KwarK wrote:On May 01 2013 07:08 Antyee wrote:On May 01 2013 06:49 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one. Of course. Unfortunately we are not a truly tolerant society. We are working toward that end. Many of us are already there as individuals, but on the whole, we still have many many people who are straggling behind who require a lot of help to move forward with the rest of us, which is why something like this hits the news. The very existence of this thread proves this wrong. When every third comment is basically "if you think there is something wrong with being gay, you are an ignorant, retarded, stupid, go-dieinhell person"; then it can't even be further from tolerance. How about just not giving a shit about it? Why would anyone say he is gay or not, when noone is asking? As far as I know, basketball has nothing to do with your sexual preferences. This is at least the fault of gay-supporters than not. Bringing an issue up in completely irrelevant topics. No-one is asking questions about sexuality because the default assumption is that you're straight which, as a straight person, suits you just fine. This is called privilege, you can't see the issues because they don't impact you and therefore you conclude that there are no issues. However not everyone is straight, for some people the barrage of "you must be attracted to this", "you must be like this", "this is how a man is defined" comprises an unrelenting assault on their identity. You can dismiss things as having nothing to do with sexual preference because your sexual preference is aligned with the prevailing current and blends in seamlessly, other people are not so lucky. You don't have to understand what it feels like to have the "wrong" sexual preference, it's an alien concept to most people, but you ought to recognise your inherent hetero privilege. You get to see the world as not challenging your sexual identity because it doesn't challenge yours but that doesn't give you a platform to dismiss the experiences of others from. Stop talking about privilege, it's embarassing. How is it embarrassing? Because almost all the time when people talk about privilege its used to shame white people for being raciest because they're white. Or to shame males because they're sexist for being males. Or to shame people who live in the country because they don't care about poor people in the city. You can talk about it because its a thing but please don't use sexism and racism because your angry at racists or sexists, its embarrassing. Because people improperly talk about privilege does not make talking about privilege embarrassing in general. Furthermore, KwarK's post approaches the topic in a diplomatic and appropriate manner, further reinforcing the notion that this LurkersGonnaLurk's "don't do this, it's embrassing" statement amounts to little more than stupidity. "almost all the time" almost always means "in my experience" anyhow. Well yeah. "in my experience" is probably relating heavily to "in his experience" and so I was trying to relate how automatically assuming that what kwark was doing was embarrassing is about the same as assuming anyone talking about feminism is automatically doing something that's embarrassing.
On May 01 2013 11:37 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 10:53 Sermokala wrote:On May 01 2013 10:47 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote:On May 01 2013 07:46 KwarK wrote:On May 01 2013 07:08 Antyee wrote:On May 01 2013 06:49 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one. Of course. Unfortunately we are not a truly tolerant society. We are working toward that end. Many of us are already there as individuals, but on the whole, we still have many many people who are straggling behind who require a lot of help to move forward with the rest of us, which is why something like this hits the news. The very existence of this thread proves this wrong. When every third comment is basically "if you think there is something wrong with being gay, you are an ignorant, retarded, stupid, go-dieinhell person"; then it can't even be further from tolerance. How about just not giving a shit about it? Why would anyone say he is gay or not, when noone is asking? As far as I know, basketball has nothing to do with your sexual preferences. This is at least the fault of gay-supporters than not. Bringing an issue up in completely irrelevant topics. No-one is asking questions about sexuality because the default assumption is that you're straight which, as a straight person, suits you just fine. This is called privilege, you can't see the issues because they don't impact you and therefore you conclude that there are no issues. However not everyone is straight, for some people the barrage of "you must be attracted to this", "you must be like this", "this is how a man is defined" comprises an unrelenting assault on their identity. You can dismiss things as having nothing to do with sexual preference because your sexual preference is aligned with the prevailing current and blends in seamlessly, other people are not so lucky. You don't have to understand what it feels like to have the "wrong" sexual preference, it's an alien concept to most people, but you ought to recognise your inherent hetero privilege. You get to see the world as not challenging your sexual identity because it doesn't challenge yours but that doesn't give you a platform to dismiss the experiences of others from. Stop talking about privilege, it's embarassing. The irony of it here is that kwark is talking about it correctly when most of the time its talked about incorrectly. Most of what gets talked about with privilege is simply taking it way to far and it becoming simply reverse racism or sexism. Its a lot like feminism. Its a legitimate argument and ideology even if people take it too far most of the time and it gets a bad rap for that. On May 01 2013 11:15 farvacola wrote:On May 01 2013 10:47 LurkersGonnaLurk wrote:On May 01 2013 07:46 KwarK wrote:On May 01 2013 07:08 Antyee wrote:On May 01 2013 06:49 FallDownMarigold wrote:On May 01 2013 06:25 ampson wrote: If we were a truly tolerant society, wouldn't we not give a mediocre basketball player heaps of attention and praise for the sole reason that he is gay? If sexual orientation doesn't matter, why is this man a "hero" or anything of the sort? I mean, it's cool that the dude can be openly gay and all, but it doesn't make him better than any other guy and it's certainly not newsworthy even on a local level, much less a national one. Of course. Unfortunately we are not a truly tolerant society. We are working toward that end. Many of us are already there as individuals, but on the whole, we still have many many people who are straggling behind who require a lot of help to move forward with the rest of us, which is why something like this hits the news. The very existence of this thread proves this wrong. When every third comment is basically "if you think there is something wrong with being gay, you are an ignorant, retarded, stupid, go-dieinhell person"; then it can't even be further from tolerance. How about just not giving a shit about it? Why would anyone say he is gay or not, when noone is asking? As far as I know, basketball has nothing to do with your sexual preferences. This is at least the fault of gay-supporters than not. Bringing an issue up in completely irrelevant topics. No-one is asking questions about sexuality because the default assumption is that you're straight which, as a straight person, suits you just fine. This is called privilege, you can't see the issues because they don't impact you and therefore you conclude that there are no issues. However not everyone is straight, for some people the barrage of "you must be attracted to this", "you must be like this", "this is how a man is defined" comprises an unrelenting assault on their identity. You can dismiss things as having nothing to do with sexual preference because your sexual preference is aligned with the prevailing current and blends in seamlessly, other people are not so lucky. You don't have to understand what it feels like to have the "wrong" sexual preference, it's an alien concept to most people, but you ought to recognise your inherent hetero privilege. You get to see the world as not challenging your sexual identity because it doesn't challenge yours but that doesn't give you a platform to dismiss the experiences of others from. Stop talking about privilege, it's embarassing. How is it embarrassing? Because almost all the time when people talk about privilege its used to shame white people for being raciest because they're white. Or to shame males because they're sexist for being males. Or to shame people who live in the country because they don't care about poor people in the city. You can talk about it because its a thing but please don't use sexism and racism because your angry at racists or sexists, its embarrassing. I don't think that's quite what he means. Usually when we refer to something like "White Privilege" or "Heterosexual Privilege" we mean advantages you don't necessarily think about, or think about as advantages. No is accusing you of anything - or trying to shame you - we just want you to step out of the Hermaneutical Circle if you will and think about things objectively. Whether you are racist or not (and it's most likely not) there are certain things that you may not have to deal with that others do and vice versa. No one is judging you don't worry ^_^! Everybody should love each other of course! Yeah for most people its not hard expressing that there is double standards in society when everyone can see it. The problem lies in communicating somehow to stop "white or heterosexual privilege" without going off the rails in a mirad of different ways.
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On May 01 2013 11:48 Sermokala wrote: Yeah for most people its not hard expressing that there is double standards in society when everyone can see it. The problem lies in communicating somehow to stop "white or heterosexual privilege" without going off the rails in a mirad of different ways.
I think it's often easy to react without considering it. I wouldn't know exactly how to go about stopping it since it's such an insidious thing - but in the meantime I think it's something everyone needs to be conscientious of especially in conversations like this.
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On May 01 2013 11:37 catabowl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 10:26 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On May 01 2013 10:24 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On May 01 2013 09:27 Arghmyliver wrote:On May 01 2013 08:55 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Who cares about what his sexual orientation is or anyone's for that manner.....you don't hear other sports players saying "O'm straight".......this is more of a publicity stunt as now more people will know hos name.
Nonetheless I could care less whether hes gay or not or anyone for that manner keep it to yourself its personal. By the same token then - why should he keep it to himself if it doesn't matter? I talk about how much I love boobs with my guy friends sometimes. If he wants to talk about how much he loves rock hard man abs or something he should be able to. The fact that he's just coming out in his thirties reveals more about our culture than about him personally - in my opinion at least. I don't think gay people sit around waiting for the most lucrative opportunity to reveal themselves to the public. He's probably known he was gay for a long time - but was afraid of the negative social stigma. Like someone else has said in this thread (KwarK?) being straight makes you privileged in this society in the same way that being white does ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege) - even if you don't actually recognize that priviledge yourself. You are not at fault, per se, but there are certain things you take for granted as a privileged individual. Everyone assumes you are straight - so you don't feel that it's necessary to clarify sexual orientation - but if everyone assumed you were gay - wouldn't you feel the need to clarify that point? Look at it this way. If you are white in the US - you generally don't have to worry about people being racist towards you. You don't have to worry about explaining to your children "yeah, that guy's an ignorant racist, don't listen to him." However, if you are an ethnic minority - you might have to explain to your children why some idiots at school call them names or treat them differently. It's all a matter of perspective. I'm sorry but being where I come from if you're white you are NOT privileged. Good luck getting welfare being white. I'm not racist or prejudice and am properly more open minded than anyone in this thread but the honest truth is that people that base anything around a persons personal belief or the color of their skin is very close minded AND sexual orientation should be kept private I don't hear people running around talking about how they like dick or pussy. I guess you have never been to high-school or college then? If your counter argument is based on 14-21 year old's talking about something they have little to no experience about... that is not very compelling evidence. The thing most people have a problem with on this story is that if we disagree with his lifestyle, we get put into a stereotype of ignorance. I would spend more time on that hypocritical stance, but this is not the time or place.
Well a lot of people on this site fit the 14-21 age group so I figured that you also would have gone through at least high-school and probably college in which case you would realize that it is a lot easier to say "Julia has a nice ass" than it is to say "Justin has a nice ass" when you are with your friends (as a guy). Most people have just been so hetero-normalized that they don't realize how much talk about the opposite sex goes on. I swear I can't go a day without hearing guys say 'I'd tap that" at least 10 times. Things like sports players coming out helps homosexual people feel more comfortable talking about their sexuality so they definitely shouldn't keep it private as SjPhotoGrapher would like.
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On May 01 2013 12:08 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 11:37 catabowl wrote:On May 01 2013 10:26 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On May 01 2013 10:24 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:On May 01 2013 09:27 Arghmyliver wrote:On May 01 2013 08:55 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Who cares about what his sexual orientation is or anyone's for that manner.....you don't hear other sports players saying "O'm straight".......this is more of a publicity stunt as now more people will know hos name.
Nonetheless I could care less whether hes gay or not or anyone for that manner keep it to yourself its personal. By the same token then - why should he keep it to himself if it doesn't matter? I talk about how much I love boobs with my guy friends sometimes. If he wants to talk about how much he loves rock hard man abs or something he should be able to. The fact that he's just coming out in his thirties reveals more about our culture than about him personally - in my opinion at least. I don't think gay people sit around waiting for the most lucrative opportunity to reveal themselves to the public. He's probably known he was gay for a long time - but was afraid of the negative social stigma. Like someone else has said in this thread (KwarK?) being straight makes you privileged in this society in the same way that being white does ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege) - even if you don't actually recognize that priviledge yourself. You are not at fault, per se, but there are certain things you take for granted as a privileged individual. Everyone assumes you are straight - so you don't feel that it's necessary to clarify sexual orientation - but if everyone assumed you were gay - wouldn't you feel the need to clarify that point? Look at it this way. If you are white in the US - you generally don't have to worry about people being racist towards you. You don't have to worry about explaining to your children "yeah, that guy's an ignorant racist, don't listen to him." However, if you are an ethnic minority - you might have to explain to your children why some idiots at school call them names or treat them differently. It's all a matter of perspective. I'm sorry but being where I come from if you're white you are NOT privileged. Good luck getting welfare being white. I'm not racist or prejudice and am properly more open minded than anyone in this thread but the honest truth is that people that base anything around a persons personal belief or the color of their skin is very close minded AND sexual orientation should be kept private I don't hear people running around talking about how they like dick or pussy. I guess you have never been to high-school or college then? If your counter argument is based on 14-21 year old's talking about something they have little to no experience about... that is not very compelling evidence. The thing most people have a problem with on this story is that if we disagree with his lifestyle, we get put into a stereotype of ignorance. I would spend more time on that hypocritical stance, but this is not the time or place. Well a lot of people on this site fit the 14-21 age group so I figured that you also would have gone through at least high-school and probably college in which case you would realize that it is a lot easier to say "Julia has a nice ass" than it is to say "Justin has a nice ass" when you are with your friends (as a guy). Most people have just been so hetero-normalized that they don't realize how much talk about the opposite sex goes on. I swear I can't go a day without hearing guys say 'I'd tap that" at least 10 times. Things like sports players coming out helps homosexual people feel more comfortable talking about their sexuality so they definitely shouldn't keep it private as SjPhotoGrapher would like.
Let's say i am gay in a group of hetero friends. I wouldn't have said "justin has a nice ass" because even if they were tolerant they wouldn't understand me. But i am pretty sure gays say that kinda things often if they are all in group of gay friends.
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On May 01 2013 10:24 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:27 Arghmyliver wrote:On May 01 2013 08:55 SjPhotoGrapher wrote: Who cares about what his sexual orientation is or anyone's for that manner.....you don't hear other sports players saying "O'm straight".......this is more of a publicity stunt as now more people will know hos name.
Nonetheless I could care less whether hes gay or not or anyone for that manner keep it to yourself its personal. By the same token then - why should he keep it to himself if it doesn't matter? I talk about how much I love boobs with my guy friends sometimes. If he wants to talk about how much he loves rock hard man abs or something he should be able to. The fact that he's just coming out in his thirties reveals more about our culture than about him personally - in my opinion at least. I don't think gay people sit around waiting for the most lucrative opportunity to reveal themselves to the public. He's probably known he was gay for a long time - but was afraid of the negative social stigma. Like someone else has said in this thread (KwarK?) being straight makes you privileged in this society in the same way that being white does ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege) - even if you don't actually recognize that priviledge yourself. You are not at fault, per se, but there are certain things you take for granted as a privileged individual. Everyone assumes you are straight - so you don't feel that it's necessary to clarify sexual orientation - but if everyone assumed you were gay - wouldn't you feel the need to clarify that point? Look at it this way. If you are white in the US - you generally don't have to worry about people being racist towards you. You don't have to worry about explaining to your children "yeah, that guy's an ignorant racist, don't listen to him." However, if you are an ethnic minority - you might have to explain to your children why some idiots at school call them names or treat them differently. It's all a matter of perspective. I'm sorry but being where I come from if you're white you are NOT privileged. Good luck getting welfare being white. I'm not racist or prejudice and am properly more open minded than anyone in this thread but the honest truth is that people that base anything around a persons personal belief or the color of their skin is very close minded AND sexual orientation should be kept private I don't hear people running around talking about how they like dick or pussy. It's great that you feel that way but most of society doesn't seem to have gotten the memo. If you can succeed in completely divorcing sexuality from human social interactions then we can all just be people and not need labels until we're in the bedroom. But unfortunately for now society is still modelled on the assumption that you are straight, not talking about sexuality is simply aligning yourself with that current rather than dismissing it.
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