Oh and just for the record, Kent St, the team it took Northern Illinois 2OT to beat, lost 47-14 to KENTUCKY THIS YEAR (2-10 Kentucky). And they would have almost assuredly got in the BCS if they had beaten NIU. Unbelievable.
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Sadist
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Oh and just for the record, Kent St, the team it took Northern Illinois 2OT to beat, lost 47-14 to KENTUCKY THIS YEAR (2-10 Kentucky). And they would have almost assuredly got in the BCS if they had beaten NIU. Unbelievable. | ||
Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
HUSKIES BCS BUSTERS BABY! Jordan Lynch gonna show you haters why he deserves the Heisman. | ||
Damiani
United States514 Posts
On December 03 2012 08:19 Ferrose wrote: HUSKIES BCS BUSTERS BABY! Jordan Lynch gonna show you haters why he deserves the Heisman. I love rooting for the underdogs. But keep in mind Florida St. has the best run defense in the country. But i would love to see an upset. But i highly doubt it. Florida St offense should have no problem with N.ill defense. | ||
VanSCPurge
United States169 Posts
Ohio State outgained LSU by a little yardage wise, but gave up season high 38 points and lost. I don't like this argument. Ohio State plays in the big 10, and is consistently overrated every year even though 80% of their schedule is filled with cupcake teams. Getting killed by an actual good team after holding terrible teams to 10-15 points all year is no shock. I would question ND's D as well but they've played some teams that are actually ok offensively and come out on top. (i.e. 30-13 over Oklahoma when OU was averaging 44 pts a game) "Offense wins games, Defense wins championships". Evidenced by the fact that 2 of the nation's top 3 defenses are playing for the NCG. | ||
Sadist
United States6980 Posts
On December 03 2012 09:29 VanSCPurge wrote: I don't like this argument. Ohio State plays in the big 10, and is consistently overrated every year even though 80% of their schedule is filled with cupcake teams. Getting killed by an actual good team after holding terrible teams to 10-15 points all year is no shock. I would question ND's D as well but they've played some teams that are actually ok offensively and come out on top. (i.e. 30-13 over Oklahoma when OU was averaging 44 pts a game) "Offense wins games, Defense wins championships". Evidenced by the fact that 2 of the nation's top 3 defenses are playing for the NCG. That is why statistics in college football are horrible and misleading. We really need to look at who people play. I dont think games against d2 schools should be counting towards statistics. I also would like just a conference schedule statistic as well. There are colossal mismatches in college football so lumping all the stats against each other is dumb. I also don't like how the SEC has a quasi bye week near the end of the season where seemingly every team in the conference is playing a division 2 school. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 03 2012 09:29 VanSCPurge wrote: I don't like this argument. Ohio State plays in the big 10, and is consistently overrated every year even though 80% of their schedule is filled with cupcake teams. Getting killed by an actual good team after holding terrible teams to 10-15 points all year is no shock. I would question ND's D as well but they've played some teams that are actually ok offensively and come out on top. (i.e. 30-13 over Oklahoma when OU was averaging 44 pts a game) "Offense wins games, Defense wins championships". Evidenced by the fact that 2 of the nation's top 3 defenses are playing for the NCG. Right, except part of the reason Oklahoma always has great offensive numbers is because no one in the Big 12 understands what press coverage is (which, btw, is why Big 12 receivers fail in the NFL - they're overrated in college and receive very poor preparation) and they're generally terrible at pass coverage. It's the same reason you don't compare their QBs by the numbers. It's pretty obvious watching Landry Jones that he's not NFL ready, despite being the Big 12's all time leading passer. The amount of locking on and failure to find #2/3 options is pretty disappointing for a senior. On December 03 2012 10:12 Sadist wrote: I also don't like how the SEC has a quasi bye week near the end of the season where seemingly every team in the conference is playing a division 2 school. It's a fair point, but I think they're actually ahead of the curve on this. As in, in five years (unless scheduling radically changes,) a lot more programs will spread their cupcakes into the back end of the season. Alabama and Oregon played the same number of non-conference cupcakes, but Oregon's were frontloaded and Alabama's were spread out. | ||
MountainDewJunkie
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Jibba
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Also, I'm not sure the disparity between FSU and NIU is any larger than Florida and Louisville. I mean really, you can't complain that much about non-major programs getting a BCS shot when the Big East is still considered a major conference and gets a free shot. Louisville lost to fucking Connecticut. CT is actually worse than the better MAC schools, and it's not an exaggeration. | ||
AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On December 03 2012 11:03 Jibba wrote: Louisville lost to fucking Connecticut. CT is actually worse than the better MAC schools, and it's not an exaggeration. Big East and MAC football fan here. Connecticut is worse than the middling MAC schools. They're really, really bad. I think one of the things that people who don't go out an bother to fact check is that the top 6 schools in the MAC were very impressive this year, but didn't get as much national recognition because they lost early and then went on massive win streaks. People are citing Kent's loss to Kentucky (Week 2), and NIU's loss to Iowa (Week 1), but they both went on 8+ game win streaks and finished with 11-2 and 12-1 records respectively. Furthermore, the SEC, Pac-12, and Big 12 are the only conferences in America that you can definitely say the MAC is worse than. ACC and Big Ten were very down, and the Big East was downright atrocious. | ||
Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On December 03 2012 08:29 Damiani wrote: I love rooting for the underdogs. But keep in mind Florida St. has the best run defense in the country. But i would love to see an upset. But i highly doubt it. Florida St offense should have no problem with N.ill defense. That's fine, because Jordan Lynch is the best dual-threat QB in the country*. He and Martel Moore are gonna keep that FSU secondary honest so he can bust a huge run once they back up a bit. Lynch is only 6'0", 216, but the dude is strong as a bull and is tough to take down: *does not include Johnny Manziel Also they need a rule where you can't talk to coaches about a job change until after the season/after the team's last game. It's bullshit that NIU doesn't have their coach anymore, and I was surprised they didn't do anything about it after Brain Kelly left Cincy before the Sugar Bowl a few years ago. | ||
Damiani
United States514 Posts
On December 03 2012 15:35 Ferrose wrote: That's fine, because Jordan Lynch is the best dual-threat QB in the country*. He and Martel Moore are gonna keep that FSU secondary honest so he can bust a huge run once they back up a bit. Lynch is only 6'0", 216, but the dude is strong as a bull and is tough to take down: *does not include Johnny Manziel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVfHFytCP0s Also they need a rule where you can't talk to coaches about a job change until after the season/after the team's last game. It's bullshit that NIU doesn't have their coach anymore, and I was surprised they didn't do anything about it after Brain Kelly left Cincy before the Sugar Bowl a few years ago. I agree with you 1.585 million percent. | ||
Probe1
United States17920 Posts
I hope you fly down here for the Orange Bowl though. It should be around 70 degrees :D | ||
Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On December 03 2012 11:03 Jibba wrote: Michigan lucked out with South Carolina. My #1 hope was them telling bowl directors to go fuck themselves, finding their internal finances and reporting them to the IRS but since that's not going to happen, getting South Carolina instead of Georgia and A&M is a blessing. Also, I'm not sure the disparity between FSU and NIU is any larger than Florida and Louisville. I mean really, you can't complain that much about non-major programs getting a BCS shot when the Big East is still considered a major conference and gets a free shot. Louisville lost to fucking Connecticut. CT is actually worse than the better MAC schools, and it's not an exaggeration. Jadeveon Clowney, 6'6" sophomore DE who led the nation in sacks this year is gonna sit on Devin Garnder/Denard Robinson the entire game. Michigan State is gonna get rolled even harder by TCU probably though... I think I'm going to the Little Caesars Bowl. Western Kentucky is meh (why is a 7-5 Sun Belt team in a bowl game...) but they got Central Michigan. Fire up Chips! Edit: Lmao CMU is 6-6. What a joke bowl. On December 03 2012 16:09 Probe1 wrote: Well if this counts for anything we won't have our defensive coordinator Mark Stoops for the bowl game (so I hear). He's going to coach at Kentucky next year. I hope you fly down here for the Orange Bowl though. It should be around 70 degrees :D I wish I could, but I don't think it's in my finances. Plane tickets are expensive, and the game tickets are expensive too | ||
don_kyuhote
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On December 03 2012 15:35 Ferrose wrote: Also they need a rule where you can't talk to coaches about a job change until after the season/after the team's last game. It's bullshit that NIU doesn't have their coach anymore, and I was surprised they didn't do anything about it after Brain Kelly left Cincy before the Sugar Bowl a few years ago. Didn't Rich Rod also ditch WV for Michigan before playing in the Fiesta Bowl in 2007? Luckily, WV still won that bowl, and Rich Rod got his due handed to him at Michigan. | ||
iGrok
United States5142 Posts
Fuck this stupid system. Playoffs won't help either, its just going to be a more spread out version of what we already have. | ||
don_kyuhote
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Jibba
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On December 03 2012 16:12 Ferrose wrote: I wish I could, but I don't think it's in my finances. Plane tickets are expensive, and the game tickets are expensive too You get the plane tickets early and on the right days, or with miles. Then you wait on Stubhub for the game tickets, because NIU has no shot of selling their tickets. Their allotment is going to be almost their average home game attendance. They're basically guaranteed to lose a couple million dollars by going to the bowl. Yay bowl system! | ||
don_kyuhote
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On December 03 2012 23:39 Jibba wrote: You get the plane tickets early and on the right days, or with miles. Then you wait on Stubhub for the game tickets, because NIU has no shot of selling their tickets. Their allotment is going to be almost their average home game attendance. They're basically guaranteed to lose a couple million dollars by going to the bowl. Yay bowl system! All I heard was $17,000 in fees to attend a BCS game. Where's these millions come in? Unless you mean lost potential profit if it were a team like Georgia or whatever. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Then the bowls require teams to arrive at least a week before the game, so the school is essentially paying for a week+ vacation for hundreds of people, including all the players and staff. I believe there's also a fee just for being in the bowl. The idea is that it gets recouped through revenue sharing through their league but often it doesn't (and it definitely won't for a small school like NIU.) When Auburn won the NC, they actually lost $600k (2.9m expenditure, 2.3m paid by SEC) and Oregon lost $300k. ADs and Coaches get performance related bonuses for being in bowls, bowl executives get ridiculous bullshit salaries for hosting one event a year and buttering up local politicans and business people, conferences get a cut of the revenue from their teams' bowls and eventually schools end up making far, far less than they would've if they had played a normal extra game (home or away) that wasn't in a bowl. Auburn eventually made money through bowl winnings the SEC paid out, but that's hardly the case for everyone else. Plus the non-bowl SEC teams also got a share of that bowl payout. Same situation when Connecticut played Oklahoma. They lost $1.7m for the bowl trip, and got recouped something like 3.5m from their conference, but everyone in their conference got that $3.5m. Since NIU is giving out free tickets to students and the MAC can't payout like major conferences can, they might very well have a net loss for their program even after bowl payments are done. It's basically a huge racket, and even the BCS games often aren't profitable. The bowls themselves are technically educational charities so they don't pay taxes, but they only pay about 1% of earnings (not sure if profit or revenue, I believe it's somewhere in the article) for charitable causes. http://www.dallasobserver.com/2011-12-15/news/college-football-s-fleecing-of-american-universities/ http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/03/auburn-lost-600k-on-title-game-trip/ It's part of why the BCS is so thoroughly against a playoff system. Use smaller regional playoffs without the fanfare, which function like regular season games, and bowl committee members lose their $500k salaries and schools make a lot more money. | ||
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