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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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Nymphaceae
United States350 Posts
On August 11 2012 11:33 ninazerg wrote: The thing about Day[9]'s enthusiasm is that it is a personality trait, not a premeditated theater performance. The thing that makes him really shine though is that he has years of experience playing StarCraft: BroodWar, and because of this, his delivery is so natural and delightful that it's fun to watch. Simply put, people not only tune into Day[9]'s show because of his fun personality but because of his insight. Also, I'm sorry my first post was so bitchy. I was in a really bad mood that day. :\ I don't think you should apologize for being bitchy...The only problem I have with it is that it makes the female sc community look really bad, like we can't produce anyone better than a gold leaguer, and even at gold league, we have to ask for a tremendous amount of help. Just look at the past casters since BW. I feel like the main casters from BW tried to act like they knew what they were talking about, but the truth is they didn't even know the initial supply caps of each race... I just wish that we were better represented. I remember in BW, the majority of the non koreans would say that there was no way they could ever beat a korean. Even if it was like the koreans first day to ever play BW, they would say that there is no way that they could beat the korean, because it's like they're "genetically" better than everyone else. Then guys would just say that there was no way that a girl could ever beat a guy. I remember a guy invited me to a lan party, just so I could serve drinks and snacks. He told me not to play, because the other guys would probably rather leave than see me play. | ||
Xhiwi
49 Posts
On August 12 2012 06:40 Nymphaceae wrote: + Show Spoiler + I don't think you should apologize for being bitchy...The only problem I have with it is that it makes the female sc community look really bad, like we can't produce anyone better than a gold leaguer, and even at gold league, we have to ask for a tremendous amount of help. Just look at the past casters since BW. I feel like the main casters from BW tried to act like they knew what they were talking about, but the truth is they didn't even know the initial supply caps of each race... I just wish that we were better represented. I remember in BW, the majority of the non koreans would say that there was no way they could ever beat a korean. Even if it was like the koreans first day to ever play BW, they would say that there is no way that they could beat the korean, because it's like they're "genetically" better than everyone else. Then guys would just say that there was no way that a girl could ever beat a guy. I remember a guy invited me to a lan party, just so I could serve drinks and snacks. He told me not to play, because the other guys would probably rather leave than see me play. You are totally right! Another thing: There's this girl from Britain, who's in GM. But nobody really cares about her, just because she doesn't show her boobs. But Tara Babcock just need to post her first casting video and everyone loves her and she gets so much attention. Thats kind of unfair. To another girl sponsors are saying: "If we should sponsor you, be a bit like Tara. Dress like her for example". Something like this makes me sick. | ||
Nymphaceae
United States350 Posts
On August 12 2012 07:17 Xhiwi wrote: You are totally right! Another thing: There's this girl from Britain, who's in GM. But nobody really cares about her, just because she doesn't show her boobs. But Tara Babcock just need to post her first casting video and everyone loves her and she gets so much attention. Thats kind of unfair. To another girl sponsors are saying: "If we should sponsor you, be a bit like Tara. Dress like her for example". Something like this makes me sick. I don't really think there's anything wrong with the way she dresses. I just wish that she could give high level commentary. I'm not going to name names, but there was an ICCUP admin who didn't know the basics of BW. She would be picked to cast all the time, but she didn't know the supply cap, or about timing attacks, or when to build basic structures like the first pylon/depot (The first spawning pool is kind of complex, so I won't hold that one against her). | ||
Xhiwi
49 Posts
[QUOTE]On August 12 2012 07:43 Nymphaceae wrote: I don't really think there's anything wrong with the way she dresses. I just wish that she could give high level commentary. I'm not going to name names, but there was an ICCUP admin who didn't know the basics of BW. She would be picked to cast all the time, but she didn't know the supply cap, or about timing attacks, or when to build basic structures like the first pylon/depot (The first spawning pool is kind of complex, so I won't hold that one against her). [/QUOT I don't think she's dressing wrong neither, but I just wanted to say, that it annoys me, that she's getting a lot more attention from the sc community than a really good female gamer. | ||
Nymphaceae
United States350 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On August 12 2012 07:43 Nymphaceae wrote: I don't really think there's anything wrong with the way she dresses. I just wish that she could give high level commentary. I'm not going to name names, but there was an ICCUP admin who didn't know the basics of BW. She would be picked to cast all the time, but she didn't know the supply cap, or about timing attacks, or when to build basic structures like the first pylon/depot (The first spawning pool is kind of complex, so I won't hold that one against her). [/QUOT I don't think she's dressing wrong neither, but I just wanted to say, that it annoys me, that she's getting a lot more attention from the sc community than a really good female gamer. Not going to name names, but there are guys who got the same attention as her for their personality. I really hope she gets to GM soon, and can provide some high level meta advice. The majority of SC2 will follow you if you can get to GM, while you entertain the viewers. There are GM guys who have hardly any viewers too... | ||
HypertonicHydroponic
437 Posts
Anyway, you seem quite prepared for a variety of comments, so hopefully this strangely nit-picky one does take you too much by surprise. But I think if you were to do that cast over with a female version of a Day9 laugh, I would say you could easily make it with practice. | ||
Jecko
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MysteryMeat1
United States3284 Posts
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MysteryMeat1
United States3284 Posts
1. clear replay timer: HUGE SPOILER 2. Work on Play by play: even if you lack the analytical skills due to knowledge gap you will at least be interesting. 3. add in game timer 4. more emotion in ur speaking. | ||
TaraBabcock
United States391 Posts
On August 13 2012 17:53 MysteryMeat1 wrote: So I actually ended up watching your cast and I felt that you spoiled the ending a little bit throughout the intro. Saying stuff that stephano made it to the round of 4 kind of foreshadowed that he was going to win anyway. Also you should get a stream overlay to block out the timer on the replay. When that roach/ling/baneling attack came there was no point in wondering if the game would end because i could see that there was still another 15 minutes to go. Your play by plays need work, and your kind of emotionless. Husky is screaming his brains out during major engagements and you were like "stephano is overpowering keen" and then blank stare as we watched it happen. Also add the ingame timer as an option for the cast. This way you can point out common timings for different races such as 16 min broodlords and stuff for pvz. 1. clear replay timer: HUGE SPOILER 2. Work on Play by play: even if you lack the analytical skills due to knowledge gap you will at least be interesting. 3. add in game timer 4. more emotion in ur speaking. I really liked this advice because: 1. Never thought about spoiling in the beginning. I thought of it as "everyone knows this is an old game, and I am only using it to see if I can talk enough about a game," but that is a logical fallacy since I won't have the results of a tournament to talk about while casting one live, so the real-life experience on that is mute. Great point! 2. Knew I should have hid the replay timer, but I never really thought of WHY. Now it makes perfect sense! Blondes are so stupid! I though, "Oh, it's just because it looks like a replay, which is unprofessional!" Thanks! Going to practice screaming my brains out now! | ||
TaraBabcock
United States391 Posts
On August 13 2012 12:54 Jecko wrote: GM??? Wtf is wrong with you people? You expect her to be in the top 200 players of a region before she can cast??? Have more than... 3 girls even done this? Most of the casters are not even masters!! And a lot of them are gold (Total Biscuit, DJ Wheat, Husky, etc.). The fact that someone like Tara not only plays games, but is actually better at SC2 than most girls is amazing enough, and it only encourages more female gamers to join and find out why it's such a good game. I love this man so much! ^^^^^^ | ||
TaraBabcock
United States391 Posts
On August 12 2012 17:04 HypertonicHydroponic wrote: Tara, I didn't think you did too badly on your cast, and I think you are going about things in a good way, like reviewing and making notes. One thing I think you should be mindful of is your laugh -- it's too, for lack of a better word, cute. And I think it conveys the nervousness you said you felt. I realize that this was your first attempt and you will have lots of things you will change as you work on this, but if that is your "real" laugh, you might want to practice a performance laugh that is less giggly. I don't know why, it is probably just me, but I could forgive all of the umm's, fillers, stumbling over terminology -- but the laugh just didn't sell it for me. It made me want to say, "nope, not gonna make it", which is horrible because I was cheering for you to do well, and in generally thought it was rather good for a first attempt. I know we can't all be Day9, but you should look to his laugh for inspiration. It is hearty; it is guttural; it makes you want to laugh too (most of the time XD). It makes you think that at least *he* really thinks the thing he's laughing at is funny. Anyway, you seem quite prepared for a variety of comments, so hopefully this strangely nit-picky one does take you too much by surprise. But I think if you were to do that cast over with a female version of a Day9 laugh, I would say you could easily make it with practice. Haha, nah, opinions always help! Even the nit-picky personal preference ones! It's silly, because I have been told both perspectives about my laugh. Some say it is cute and a plus, others say its sounds ditzy and fake! A girl version of the Day[9] laugh? I don't want to make ball all around the world shrivel...! | ||
HypertonicHydroponic
437 Posts
On August 13 2012 22:29 TaraBabcock wrote: Haha, nah, opinions always help! Even the nit-picky personal preference ones! It's silly, because I have been told both perspectives about my laugh. Some say it is cute and a plus, others say its sounds ditzy and fake! A girl version of the Day[9] laugh? I don't want to make ball all around the world shrivel...! I don't know, I think Day9 creates a lot of nohomo (or otherwise!) nerd boners anyway... combine that with the real boners your "the girls" make and you probably have a winner. XD XD XD | ||
corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On August 13 2012 12:54 Jecko wrote: GM??? Wtf is wrong with you people? You expect her to be in the top 200 players of a region before she can cast??? Have more than... 3 girls even done this? Most of the casters are not even masters!! And a lot of them are gold (Total Biscuit, DJ Wheat, Husky, etc.). The fact that someone like Tara not only plays games, but is actually better at SC2 than most girls is amazing enough, and it only encourages more female gamers to join and find out why it's such a good game. djWHEAT is diamond and Husky is either diamond or masters (I'm pretty sure he's masters) not that it discredits your point which is entirely valid, I just wanted to correct that. | ||
Nymphaceae
United States350 Posts
When I saw you taking the notes on yourself, I was curious if you took notes about the game. People spend 100-1000s of games just practicing 5 roach rush,7 roach rush, 6 pool, but why don't you see them winning tournaments if they have the "ultimate zerg rush." I would highly recommend you to read the strategy forums, because there is so much there, that you can flood just one match up with more than enough GM knowledge to get people to watch your vids for more than just your looks. I wish you the best of luck with SC2 and casting. Please don't embarrass us. I don't think there's ever been a good female caster. P.S. I did like your comment about psychology and failing. | ||
Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
It is much easier to say you dress that way because you are more comfortable (which you could very well be), and that you don't care what other people think, instead of saying "Yea well sex sells, and exposing my breasts gets me a lot of views". (again, that is just my opinion). I really hope you are able to improve your casting and I really wish you the best. Again I am very sorry about what I said earlier and you shouldn't let people who say stuff like that make you want to quit. There are a lot of people out there who want you to succeed. Dont give up! As for that post (and others that I made), I asked for a self imposed ban because that really isnt acceptable to say to someone who is genuinely trying to improve. Good luck in the future! | ||
Carson
Canada820 Posts
On August 14 2012 08:03 Apollo_Shards wrote: That is a very good question. Spending tons of money on makeup that must take ages to put on every morning, along with expensive and potentially risky surgery on your breasts and lips would be so stupid! Because hey, why would you change yourself to please others? Reading this thread suddenly all the "failing with girls" and "forever alone" blogs make sense. | ||
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TaraBabcock
United States391 Posts
On August 14 2012 02:48 Nymphaceae wrote: I don't feel like writing something long, but I believe if you focused on your skills as much as you focused on your looks, you would be easily GM. Some people have a strong drive for 1 day, some for 1 week, and some for 1 month. Some people's drive is like quicksand, in which they stop eating, drinking, and sleeping, just to try to get that slight edge. They end up never reaching the top, but always believe the top is close. When I saw you taking the notes on yourself, I was curious if you took notes about the game. People spend 100-1000s of games just practicing 5 roach rush,7 roach rush, 6 pool, but why don't you see them winning tournaments if they have the "ultimate zerg rush." I would highly recommend you to read the strategy forums, because there is so much there, that you can flood just one match up with more than enough GM knowledge to get people to watch your vids for more than just your looks. I wish you the best of luck with SC2 and casting. Please don't embarrass us. I don't think there's ever been a good female caster. P.S. I did like your comment about psychology and failing. Aww, I find this post absolutely adorable. I will definitely try my best, and hopefully I won't disappoint! I agree with your comment about exploiting and practicing "cheese", haha! I've never understood why people do this just to get to PLat-Masters and hit a dead end. These same people come to my stream while I am playing economically, scouting, trying to practice viable builds and go, "I can teach you how to be Plat by next week, just PROXY RAX!" Then, they get angry when I respond, "Well, I actually wanna get good at this game and create good habits!" That is another topic, entirely! | ||
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