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On August 10 2011 07:31 JJH777 wrote:
Bad top 15 pro-gamers... Should have just used the ELO system.
An ELO system is more than useless when it comes down to a reliable ranking. Its a system that is very very simple and easy to apply but lacks so many things that need to be taken into consideration when setting up a ranking like that.
At some point we set up an ELO system for fun for our database and the results were just ridiculous  ELO systems have their use and a lot of advantages but in this case their are not the way to go.
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Can anyone explain the algorithm? It's an interesting result to say the least, but DRG being #1 definitely doesn't really make sense to me.
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Best protoss map XNC is below 49% win lol. 
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Excellent site, tournament play and statistics is really all that should be looked at, not ladder play. Tournament level play is soo much higher and consistant than what we see on the ladder.
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On August 10 2011 07:30 Triscuit wrote:
Yeah honestly any rating that doesn't put NesTea at the top of the list is subject to some scrutiny. I guess if it takes into consider relative difficulty of taking out players then I guess NesTea wouldn't be at the top because he hasn't gone up against some of the bigger names in a little while.
Interesting nonetheless, and the site looks really really good.
The problem is that the sc2 scene is still quite fairly divided. For example, not everyone has the same chance of facing each other. Koreans tend to face more koreans and foreigners tend to face more foreigners. Thus, even though one scene may be miles ahead of another, the top players of each scene will be ranked closely together. Yes, there is some overlap, but not enough to make a "fair" ranking system.
Also, I don't believe their ranking system puts weights on more important games. For example, the GSL finals obviously means more than a zotac cup round of 16.
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On August 10 2011 07:35 zul wrote:for the stats I follow SC2Statistics on twitter. The Matchup Stats are cool though.
Example of the Twitter you linked:
SC2Statistics SC2stats
EU Bnet Invitational: Tarson vs Socke. Previous record 3-0. Tarson vs P 75 - 67(52,8%). Socke vs T 173 - 113(60,5%). @RotterdaM08
Our database on Socke vs. Tarson: http://www.sc2charts.net/en/edb/player_compare/34-tarson/30-socke
you'll realize that we have a lot more games in our database and therefore the statistics provided are far more accurate.
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So do you have some script that parses all the stats from SC2Statistics on twitter allowing you to produce meaningful analysis yourself?
Raw stats are nice to have, but most of the time stats that have already been analyzed (in this case by the Glicko Rating System) are much more useful to have.
But you must be some savant who can look at a page of raw stats and know exactly what's going on, or something.
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Uhhh DRG in first place? I would contest that- despite his strong strong GSTL showings, he still has yet to really impress with victories over top class players like MVP, or even beat MMA at MLG. Yes he very well is top 10, but I really think ELO is the better ranking system- usually something so prolific is proflic because of its quality
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I love you Khaldor. This is seriously awesome and what's even more important - up to date.
Thanks for your tremendous work.
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On August 10 2011 07:41 CeriseCherries wrote:
Uhhh DRG in first place? I would contest that- despite his strong strong GSTL showings, he still has yet to really impress with victories over top class players like MVP, or even beat MMA at MLG. Yes he very well is top 10, but I really think ELO is the better ranking system- usually something so prolific is proflic because of its quality
Ignore the top players list, it's impossible to make accurate right now.
Especially with all the tiny EU tourneys inflating their score (same thing happens with ELO)
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On August 10 2011 07:41 CeriseCherries wrote:
Uhhh DRG in first place? I would contest that- despite his strong strong GSTL showings, he still has yet to really impress with victories over top class players like MVP, or even beat MMA at MLG. Yes he very well is top 10, but I really think ELO is the better ranking system- usually something so prolific is proflic because of its quality
Why don't you show us what ELO makes of these statistics? Until then most people will assume you don't know what you're talking about.
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does it add the prize money since beta and little cups?
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Just fix the ranking so Nestea is at the top and I'll be happy. Nestea is at the top of the ELO system.
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Naturally IdrA is the only good NA player lol
Also makes me sad even though im a hardcore fanboy
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Where does this site get their statistics from? It says Metalopolis is the best zerg map, with DRG being the best player on it, having 38 wins and 13 losses on it. Has he even played that many televised games on that map yet?
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spent 2 hours in there - such an awesome site ! <33 khaldor ur the man
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Can they put in a total prize money feature so that we don't only sort by year but by all years.
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DRG first place a Zerg who goes Hydra versus a Terran? x)
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On August 10 2011 07:39 Divergence wrote:So do you have some script that parses all the stats from SC2Statistics on twitter allowing you to produce meaningful analysis yourself? Raw stats are nice to have, but most of the time stats that have already been analyzed (in this case by the Glicko Rating System) are much more useful to have. But you must be some savant who can look at a page of raw stats and know exactly what's going on, or something.
I like the "savant" Of course I don`t collect all the raw data and interpret it by myself. The man behind this twitter account once presented some graphs on TL, I found it highly interesting and so I followed him. He regularly releases graphs about all kinds of tournaments and timeframes (lookahere: http://i.imgur.com/uaVuw.png) As far as I understand him he uses a program that checks for data automaticaly (similar to how sc2ranks works) and different to Khaldors new website a lot of the stats come from the Ladder. So we have one database for Ladderstats and one for Tournamentstats. Looks like a win-win for me.
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