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On April 20 2009 09:14 Ace wrote: I actually like that contract killer role, VERY interesting. Different from most other roles we've created but still seems within the framework of the original game. I am as well interested to see how this role work. I also can see it causing a bit of a fuss ;p Cause it seems like this Contractor can work in many ways and easily betray people who he talks privately with pending on the side he/she takes or if they just decide to just kill who ever with out care. Either case, is the contractor my friends enemy, my friends friend, or just someone that needs to be killed right away before confusion can add due to their additional killing. | ||
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On April 20 2009 09:24 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: If I'm contract killer I will put my services on ebay. Paypal please. Anyway, I have term papers galore coming up so I'm going to try to hold myself to one thread visit a day this time so don't be surprised if I'm less active until finals end (May 7). Of course don't be surprised if I get addicted to this game like the last two  .I think many of us are in that situation. | ||
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1. Really confuse us by hitting townies and mafia so it will be hard to know who they are. 2. Join mafia and just kill people and team with them (could do this by telling mafia or not telling mafia) 3. Join us and well help (though should be security obviously, or else mafia kills the person. To add they might just not tell anyone who they are to keep themselves safe, thus they could accidentally be killed by mafia or townie lynching). So any thought out plan for this type of person? I think the others running for mayor should consider this factor as well. | ||
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If this person wants to be on our side, it could hurt us, adding if we also lynch wrong too. So it could be a double edge sword at that point. So best bet is, get the contractor to join townies and make sure the contractor is in contact with townies and not mafia. There is another option we could do with the contractor, but either case we shouldn't just forget about this person. | ||
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On April 22 2009 15:01 Qatol wrote: In rereading (and observing the no edit rule) I have noticed that I have misread your #1 The real answer is that they just can't use their power without making a contract. Yes they can be a chaotic liability. We can't do anything about that. I realize that I'm being pretty harsh towards the CK. I just don't see any way to ensure he won't go crazy on the town. If he wants to help the town, he needs to find a DT/medic or someone with a good enough position (no lynch guarantee) to give him a contract. Approaching a towny early helps him however. I was thinking some where in the lines as what you said about the contractor, but I wasn't sure if you had an idea or plan to kinda make the contractor want to favor us or find a way to have the contractor join us so they feel safe. Edit: Thank you though for showing your thoughts about that for me. | ||
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I just thought of something. Contract killer (if working for mafia) can choose to investigate someone and constantly keep trying to find blues for the mafia. (I am not sure how easy this will be though) It might be important to make sure mafia doesn't get this power. Remember Contract killer doesn't have to kill, they can investigate. So we need to make a proper incentive to keep this contract killer on the townie side. | ||
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So I guess we should try to make an offer, leave it on the table and wait to see what happens. I would suggest the contract killer to consider this. If you pick mafia, and help kill townies, clues could be left behind and you could get lynched. But now if you work with Townies, clues still get left behind but now mafia has to figure you out. Also if you contact a townie/blue or who ever, you might be able to later find a medic who will cover your butt for a while and keep you alive for most of the game. It might be best for the contract killer to side up with town and maybe ask for med in return. I really cant leave that offer, but if the town agrees, then we can juts leave it there for the contract killer to decide, that way we can focus on other issues and not worry to much about the contract killer for now. (Though if anyone has a better idea for offers then shoot it out) | ||
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On April 22 2009 16:07 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Hey guys I found a pic of the CK! ![[image loading]](http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/51715/gbu_lee.jpg) Bah, his mustache isn't that sexy. | ||
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On April 22 2009 16:15 Malongo wrote: Id like to ask to the moderators playing this round for an IP check on this account and who shares it. Im asking this because its a power that not all players have and its important for the game. Thank you. Are you saying for us to find CK more easily and try to have them join townies lol? What if the mod is mafia and decides to make their own use of the CK or just kill that person off looking at them as an obstacle ;p | ||
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On April 22 2009 16:33 semioldguy wrote: We actually have 57 CK's :p ^--- Anyone want to contract me to CK this guy over here? Lol j/k | ||
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On April 23 2009 01:33 L wrote: Well, its obviously in the best interest of the town to keep methods of killing mafia. If there's a lack of information on mafia suspects he will be less useful, if there's far more he will be more useful. Either way, determining how we should 'manage' the contract killer is 100% dependant on information we don't currently have. And now, to read ten pages. Brb. Alright, I just checked the rest of the thread. New issues: Without knowing the CK's win condition, we can't precisely determine WHY or HOW he will act. We can, however, look at a few conditions: 1) The CK's game ends when the standard townie/mafia game ends. 2) If the CK dies by drawing too much animosity, he will die because the town/mafia will know who he is. 3) The CK's mode of action provides him with superior information regarding the two sides. It seems, in my mind, rather PREDICTABO that the CK would act fairly neutrally until he has enough information to precipitate a quick loss for one side by cutting out their most important roles/dropping their KP. That is dependent on who gets the role. Yeah, that might be probably a logical choice of action for the CK, but what if the CK doesn't feel like waiting and wants to use their power? I know the first thing I would do is kill BloodyCobbler if i had CK and if he was in the game (regardless if he is townie or not)...j/k...or am I? The action taken for CK could seriously depend on the person. If they wish to wait it out, or if they get a little power hungry and want to use their powers to kill someone, or if they just decide to attempt to join one side (for what ever their own reason is). If the CK wants to join mafia, he can just find any excuse to make a contract with them ;p Either case I still stand by the best bet for the Ck is to join town and try to get med protection, so they can help find mafia and kill them. It's kinda like a lone wolf role, you can be on the side you want, but still work independently. Though you still can work with the team, would make the team as a whole stronger. | ||
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On April 23 2009 05:58 Ace wrote: @Sog: I 100% agree with your analysis on why the CK would usually want to side with the town - backstabbing mafia hoes. However, what if the CK is not someone lurking in the shadows but a valuable, outspoken voice? The Mafia would LOVE to have that guy. He can be working for Mafia, but if DT checked flips blue and can just say he has sided with the town. That depends though. If DT checks him and there are clues and good enough evidence supporting that he killed townies on their own, then they just became a threat for the town and the town would just kill the CK. Best bet still is for the CK to join town, cause it is hard to lie about that with out upsetting the town. Also the CK could then act and try to help town but Mafia would just view CK as a threat after that point and kill the CK. It will let them have a better chance of surviving through the whole game and most likely have a med protect them so they could constantly use their powers with little consequences (since they would be collaborating with the town and wouldn't be their fault if they did a miss. Though if they try to use that to help the mafia, eventually when town asks them to hit someone that is mafia and they don't well we can consider it betrayal and lynch them.) | ||
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Apart from giving him information on blue members of town; Don't assume the CK is going to ask for the services of a single blue member of town for the entire game. Either way, the CK is going to want to side with the side that seems strongest at any period in time. If we're getting smashed, he'll side with mafia in order to assure he doesn't get picked off during night deaths. If mafia's getting smashed he has no incentive to do anything other than contract for medics and play the waiting game. That's all, however, assuming his objectives are based on survival. IF that's the case, his utility is 100% based on our momentum, so lets focus on quality clue analysis. Its quite possible his objectives are something like "kill 1 mafia member and kill 1 detective" or something off the wall like that, so 100% basing our strategy on an unknown is risky. If CK demands more services from other blues, then something would seem a bit odd. If CK wants a med, then CK will probably get a med but we should keep that med identity secret and that med will be the only one to need to do the job (unless he wants more protection if he feels like mafia found him out) Which is good cause if he joins mafia and is found out CK would just be killed and Mafia can't protect him. A bad thing for the CK to do is try to pick of Mafia and try to pick off blues turn by turn. That would just anger both sides and both sides would probably attempt to kill CK off. Either case, if CK demands more services, it might be not much to worry about, he doesn't need to know who they are as long as he gets the protection he wants. Now if he wants to have a detective do a clue check for his services that might mean giving up one detective to him but it should never go any further then 1 DT, that's if we even want to take a risk in letting him know that information cause he could just slip that info to mafia (who could just randomly decide to take our blues and we would have a hard time knowing if CK back stabbed the town or not. | ||
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On April 23 2009 07:29 L wrote: Why would it seem odd? You have no idea what the CK's goals are. If the CK's goals are role based, getting more role information might be his prime desire. If its survival he can stay on medic. This is EXACTLY what i was talking about; you can't assume to predict the CK's game perfectly because we don't even know what they're after. I also said, if he does the roles he would demand would have to be kept secret. He shouldn't know who is protecting him as long as he is getting protection. It depends on how much he wants to know and what type of information. If he asks something to the extent of wanting to know who has the role, then that might be pushing it. We should never really have to reveal our role identity to the CK, well at most maybe 1 detective and that would probably be it. | ||
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On April 23 2009 07:41 Ace wrote: actually I dont think we have to reveal anything to the CK until we are sure he is who he says he is AND he has as much to lose as we do (his death) once that is proven. Saying don't worry, we are sure we can prot you but you dont need to know who is doing it is good for the first night, but after that it's probably a good idea to welcome him into whatever circle has this info. Yeah, I can agree with that. Though we still should not reveal everyone, just only when it is necessary and for good reasons. But I definitly agree we should hold off for maybe the first night or two. Maybe I just being a bit paranoid and too cautious. | ||
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On April 23 2009 08:01 Ace wrote: yea but Im not the CK so that doesnt help too much in my case x_x ^----I demand proof | ||
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On April 23 2009 11:56 Malongo wrote: Holy shit batman. I just gave you the "80% mafia chance" prize that malongo created last game. Yeah, I can see where you are coming from. He seemed to over react a bit to much, could of just posted and explained himself calmly lol. Even others who are inactive come back saying something to do with school, but not in such a way as he did. | ||
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To be honest I should be more into my books right now >< I got a couple more tests and a 5-8pg essay to write. Then i have to shoot a 5min documentary >< | ||
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