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it appears that the WCG head admins have listened!! Lan latency+anti hack+friendly admins have returned!!! Feel free to read sanger's posts starting on page 10!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH WCG FOR LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY!!! :D :D :D :D
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original post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91272
WCG USAs disrespect and blatant disregard for the views of the competitive community has driven me to boycott participating in WCG USA until they get their act together. I strongly encourage anyone who reads what I have to say to post in this thread and join me in this boycott.
As of right now, WCG USA has the following problems:
1) No Lan Latency
2) An disorganized website (note that right now, when you enter "west" registration for starcraft, you actually sign up for the EAST tournaments.)
3) An outdated anti-hack launcher that runs poorly (GamOn crashes regularly and many maphacks are compatible)
4) Maps that not only are outdated, but also change depending on where you read the rules (some places it says Tau Cross, Blue Storm, Python, Gaia, while other places say Azalea, Paranoid, Gaia, and Peaks of Baekdu).
5) Most importantly:Poor leadership. Rather than appear helpful or enthusiastic, Laurent (apparently one of the organizers of WCG USA) has appeared more defensive and unaccommodating, as seen throughout the link at the top of the page, but most significantly here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91272¤tpage=9
Before I address this issue, allow me to defend WCG USA. I can understand if issues exist initially. I can understand that the first qualifier would need to be postponed due to crashing launcher issues. I can understand if the decision on the mappool is poor at first and must be changed later. I can understand the lack of lan latency until GamOn updates.
That said, I absolutely cannot justify Laurent's behavior in any regard. Laurent and those involved with the WCG USA committee should be excited to hear the suggestions of the community. Instead, they appear defensive, even lashing out at respected community members who desperately want WCG USA to succeed.
Our community by itself organizes amazing tournaments such as the TSL, tournaments that have prizes, video commentary, and motivated players. The community knows the ins and outs of a well organized tournament. I would absolutely love to participate in a WCG USA that matches the community’s (reasonable and easy to accomplish) expectations of competitive play.
I have participated in the WCG tournaments since 2001, invited to represent America at the Grand Final three times and winning the PanAmerican Championship in 2007. After years of providing feedback to deaf ears, it’s quite clear to me that WCG USA needs a wake up call. I can think of no clearer message than a tournament where no competitors show up. Boycott WCG USA until they match the passion we bring to our game every day.
Thank you
Sean Plott
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problem with this is wcg doesnt care if they get good players, not everyone is going to boycott, leaving shitty no name players who will win, and wcg could care less.
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On April 17 2009 16:30 spydernoob wrote:
problem with this is wcg doesnt care if they get good players, not everyone is going to boycott, leaving shitty no name players who will win, and wcg could care less.
you're absolutely correct, but I have to do what I must. I can think of no other solution.
I'm honestly teary w/ emotion. I'm so frustrated t.t
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Unfortunately, we have nothing else in the USA. What can we do? Ignore the one event we have just because it's badly run? I think our only choice is to put up with it until SC2 brings bigger and better things.
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You should enter and win USA and then at the grand finals in front of the entire world write "Laurent is an ass" with zerglings on the minimap.
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On April 17 2009 16:33 Louder wrote:
Unfortunately, we have nothing else in the USA. What can we do? Ignore the one event we have just because it's badly run? I think our only choice is to put up with it until SC2 brings bigger and better things.
I look forward to practicing for WCG USA every year, and EVERY year I grow increasingly more frustrated w/ the organization. As I said, it breaks my heart to have to boycott the tournament, but I see no other option. If you want to play in the tournament, I totally understand. But, I think a boycott will help make WCG a better tournament. If you goto the open in NY, definitely say something
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United States889 Posts
I think the reasoning from Day[9] here is solid... the problem can continue to be accommodated in its various forms, or we can all deal without it for a while and when something new finally pops up we get our way. Something new is probably not going to pop up while WCG dominates.
The point here I guess is that failure is part of enterprise...when the people are not well served they stop consuming, and then somebody willing to provide the service in the form desired comes in to give it. Whether it works in this instance or not is a different matter, but I can certainly understand the motivations.
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Unfortunately I have to agree with spydernoob. Judging from their behavior, it's not a stretch to believe WCG couldn't care less who shows up or who wins. They won't change anything because they don't have to. Somebody is bound to show up and win it and they wouldn't care if it were an actual worthy player like say Nony or some noob like me.
They don't care. It's been shown time and time again and I honestly don't believe that they will change their act. So long as they get results, they will continue to ignore and insult respected communities and community members as it suits them.
That being said, I do support this whole heartedly. I hate to sound so dramatic, but it's better to die on your feet than live on your knees. Sometimes you just have to stand up and get your voice heard, even if it's bound to be a drop in an ocean. Get enough drops and you got a wave. A wave of Starcraft revolution!!!
Now I'm getting emotional and way too dramatic. Time to put on some comedy movies and tone it down a bit!
Anyway, fuck WCG. Boycott ftw!!!
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Sean,
I lashed out at only one community member who finds it easiest to use me as the reason that everything sucks. If defending yourself against constant attacks is wrong, then im wrong. I wont apologize for sticking up for myself.
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Well said Day. I'll definitely support/participate in this boycott.
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On April 17 2009 16:48 Laurent wrote:
Sean,
I lashed out at only one community member who finds it easiest to use me as the reason that everything sucks. If defending yourself against constant attacks is wrong, then im wrong. I wont apologize for sticking up for myself.
Don't martyr yourself for fuck sakes.
I never name you as the sole reason for wcg not doing well this year.. NEVER. I have my complaints with you as a wcg employee but they came WAY AFTER I was already involved with issues.
You lashed out unprofessionally and now you are making up lies to try and rationalize it. This a fucking forum Laurent.. we can see your words dude.
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On April 17 2009 16:48 Laurent wrote:
Sean,
I lashed out at only one community member who finds it easiest to use me as the reason that everything sucks. If defending yourself against constant attacks is wrong, then im wrong. I wont apologize for sticking up for myself.
Lashing out at ANY community member, ESPECIALLY one going to great lengths to help organize your tournament, is absolutely 100% unacceptable.
That said, I'd like to point out to the ENTIRE community why Laurent's above post encapsulates the problem. In his FIRST response to this thread, Laurent says nothing about the tournament, nothing about what he's doing to fix WCG, nothing about helping the community. Instead, Laurent defends himself. Moreover, he defends himself in a situation where he is undeniably in the wrong.
Laurent, allow me to restate myself.
I do not care if you are the root of WCGs problems. I do not care of your co-workers are the root of the problems. I do not care if your bosses are the root of the problems.
There are enormous, unacceptable problems with WCG
Fix it
(and stop referring to me by my first name. I have no idea who you are)
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On April 17 2009 16:48 Laurent wrote:
Everything in WCG sucks but its not my fault. Stop picking on me.
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On April 17 2009 16:55 Day[9] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2009 16:48 Laurent wrote:
Sean,
I lashed out at only one community member who finds it easiest to use me as the reason that everything sucks. If defending yourself against constant attacks is wrong, then im wrong. I wont apologize for sticking up for myself.
Lashing out at ANY community member, ESPECIALLY one going to great lengths to help organize your tournament, is absolutely 100% unacceptable. That said, I'd like to point out to the ENTIRE community why Laurent's above post encapsulates the problem. In his FIRST response to this thread, Laurent says nothing about the tournament, nothing about what he's doing to fix WCG, nothing about helping the community. Instead, Laurent defends himself. Moreover, he defends himself in a situation where he is undeniably in the wrong. Laurent, allow me to restate myself. I do not care if you are the root of WCGs problems. I do not care of your co-workers are the root of the problems. I do not care if your bosses are the root of the problems. There are enormous, unacceptable problems with WCG Fix it (and stop referring to me by my first name. I have no idea who you are)
Good post, Day.
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a professional organizer posting on a starcraft forum defending himself against community members' attacks has got to be the most unprofessional thing in the world.
most people would just get reviewed/fired for this kind of stuff... in a professional setting.
seeing how it is, WCG USA doesn't even get much exposure anyways, so wtv. Lets just hope Blizzard starts something with SC2 and OGN comes to the USA
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We need to somehow get Geoff hired on to run this event imo. Seems like any WCG thread he's always trying to contact people and relay info and get the ball rolling and as far as I know he's doing it free of charge and if anyone fucks with him he can hulk smash them to death.
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riots will be running around america when lastshadow becomes wcg usa champion
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On April 17 2009 16:48 Laurent wrote:
Sean,
I lashed out at only one community member who finds it easiest to use me as the reason that everything sucks. If defending yourself against constant attacks is wrong, then im wrong. I wont apologize for sticking up for myself.
I loled.
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man wcg is gonna be terrible this year  poor organization isnt helping, just let geoff help you do your job, he understands what the sc community wants/needs more
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Don't boycott Day9! We want to see you play!
edit- Besides putting on great games, it seems kind of sad to see you not go if you've practiced and trained for it. That's what I really meant. There aren't many tournaments for foreigners, so this might be one of your only chances to win something for a long time.
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