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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
To be honest a LOT of the crap/degradation we see is a result of the marriage between gaming and economics. People that sign on the dotted line and actually get shit pushed are older guys who are just getting involved in the industry to make a buck.. they don't understand that in order to actually tap this market you have to be one with the industry. Somehow that continually gets lost on people. My rant is basically saying "It isn't all their fault." They have to make decisions that are both good for the gamer and better for the investor.. while I know that there is a better way to do this they are locked up in bureaucracy that ends up making things worse. Point is movements like this are extreme but can make a difference. I promise you they care when stuff like this happens. Especially when it is a former champion that is at the helm. As for me I will remain in the thick of things with WCG.. as laurent puts it I will "boast" my connections and try to make things better. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On April 17 2009 17:01 deathgod6 wrote: Don't boycott Day9! We want to see you play!  Then you can watch some other tournament. This is very much deserved | ||
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littlechava
United States7216 Posts
On April 17 2009 17:01 deathgod6 wrote: Don't boycott Day9! We want to see you play! Speak for yourself. The WCG USA organization has been getting progressively worse each year, despite players voicing their concerns over and over. A community boycott sounds like the best idea there is at the moment. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
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mcgriddle
United States253 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On April 17 2009 17:09 deathgod6 wrote: We trust that you will help settle this out Incontrol. God speed! Sent my emails.. as much as laurent wants to undermine my "connections" (I simply don't want to use names for their sakes.. so call em what you will). I will have my reply in the morning. And Laurent: You can read those too.. I don't call you mean names or say you should be fired. That isn't my place. I simply state that you passive aggressively said that I will be "put to shame" and then I voiced my concern about the lack of lan latency and said that I want to know what it was exactly YOU were talking about. I'd even go so far as to fwd you the email if you like. Seeing as how you viewed my last messages and made it seem like that was some kind of trump card on me I am prepared for full disclosure. You may or may not be aware but I am not interested in some quibble of drama with you. I actually just want WCG to improve for the scbw community.. you for w/e reason are fighting us on that and I won't back down. | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
I would urge everyone in TL to hear day 9's concerns and if the issues at hand aren't fixed a boycott is in demand. laurent you must know that many extremely important players frequent this forum and are heavily tied to this community, please take this into consideration when writing your responses to one of our most respected members. also know that he is not the only one. i think it would be utterly disgraceful of Nony day9 iNcontrol etc were forced to omit their presence from the WCG. | ||
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Laurent
United States182 Posts
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snapcrackle
United States568 Posts
The only complaint I have is that he constantly said "check this site.. or email these guys or ask these people" but that is unavoidable when you are the middle man. In the beginning, from what i read, he did fix some issues or at least address them such as the map pool, ladder system, and gameon. Then somewhere down the line hell broke loose and everyone got fired up and bashed on him. I dunno but my understanding a lot of people here are taking this way too personally instead of solving it themselves. (If you really have a problem with someone do what is most common.. talk to their supervisor or higher ups.. if anything that is what Laurent asked you guys to do when he couldn't solve an issue or answer something.. he directed to a place or to someone who could) EDIT: Please do try to read the entire thread on "WCG Online Qualifiers..." before making any solid conclusion. | ||
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Tyrant
Korea (South)234 Posts
On April 17 2009 17:42 Laurent wrote: Best thing you've said all night. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
I somehow bielive that in the end run, this thing is just going to turn into an advertising event for promoting newly released console games ! More DDR ! More football games ! More shitty games ! Give the crowd what it wants ! Edit : As far as I know, the only times national WCG's were somewhat successful, were when a bw player was running the thing. | ||
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Diggity
United States806 Posts
I am going to try to apply pressure with the contacts I have made thus far. In the meantime before monday I want to put up a video explaining the issues and explaining where people can contact WCG and express their dissatisfaction. Incontrol: can you provide me a direction to flow this traffic? FakeSteve I am going to borrow your listing. Hopefully with an iterated unified message we can shake things up a bit. | ||
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inlagdsil
Canada957 Posts
Aww, I wish I knew what it was. EDIT But on topic, hopefully enough attention has now been drawn to the problems that they will be resolved! | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
Boycott WCG USA until they match the passion we bring to our game every day. signed | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7453 Posts
I will be posting feedback tomarrow. I want everybody who isn't Day to start there. Our community isn't the only one. Sc2gg.net gg.net and scforall could help spread the word and encourage active parcipitation in the reform of stagnat WCG policies. If artosis could mention his day[9] former wcg usa champion is leading a boycott of wcg usa due to: Lack of cheat prevention, Lan latency and organizational apathy then I'm sure both angles can met in the middle. The fact is the more of the community that we can get involved the more quickly and accurately we can fix our problems. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
WCG has been shit for ages :/ | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
On April 17 2009 17:53 snapcrackle wrote: So..... I finished reading the thread on "WCG Online Qualifiers...." and I feel as though a lot of you guys are getting way too personal with Laurent. I actually took the time to read through the entire thread and he did give responses back to you guys quite fast. The only complaint I have is that he constantly said "check this site.. or email these guys or ask these people" but that is unavoidable when you are the middle man. In the beginning, from what i read, he did fix some issues or at least address them such as the map pool, ladder system, and gameon. Then somewhere down the line hell broke loose and everyone got fired up and bashed on him. I dunno but my understanding a lot of people here are taking this way too personally instead of solving it themselves. (If you really have a problem with someone do what is most common.. talk to their supervisor or higher ups.. if anything that is what Laurent asked you guys to do when he couldn't solve an issue or answer something.. he directed to a place or to someone who could) EDIT: Please do try to read the entire thread on "WCG Online Qualifiers..." before making any solid conclusion. I just read through the thread and I agree with you. It seems to me that a lot of the people don't seem to understand how exactly this kind of organizational structure works as well. Finally, incontrol doesn't seem to be aware of just how dickish he can come off as. Maybe in a community that knows the way he talks this is not a problem but I can see how Laurent would be aggravated by what comes off as bragging and arrogance from his perspective. That being said, it's stupid to suggest that many of these suggestions are remotely difficult to implement etc. While I can understand how Laurent may be feel threatened, and his position as a middleman limits his personal ability to effect change, it's also foolish to take this sense of being personally attacked and extend that dissatisfaction to the actual work he does, or gives advice on, or whatever. | ||
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