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kawoq
Profile Joined November 2005
Guatemala357 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-17 19:31:24
April 17 2009 19:28 GMT
#81
@Dgtl

That will never happen, GameOn is the official ladder of WCG so they will stick to it.

Is a shame to see this going on at US no sorprise we at Central America got so many problems last year, there was only like 20 persons on the ladder between 2 countries... I hope you can fix your problems, maybe we will get a better tournament too if you do...
"It is not a shameful thing to be unable to reach the goal. It's becoming afraid and running away, even before considering the fact that the road is long and rough, that is truly cowardly." by - Lim Yo Hwan aka SlayerS_Boxer from "Crazy as me"
ZeroCartin
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2390 Posts
April 17 2009 19:37 GMT
#82
mm, isnt there any1 else who you guys can contact instead of Laurence if its that problematic?
"My sister is on vacation in Costa Rica right now. I hope she stays a while because she's a miserable cunt." -pubbanana
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
April 17 2009 19:38 GMT
#83
On April 17 2009 16:55 Day[9] wrote:

(and stop referring to me by my first name. I have no idea who you are)


i rofl'ed

anyways
WCG US sucks~
gogogo Day
cw)minsean(ru
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
April 17 2009 19:51 GMT
#84
On April 18 2009 00:11 Diomedes wrote:
What about creating a shadow qualifier and have all the top players play in that, organized by themselves. You have to do everything WCG USA can't without their resources. Have an official page where people sign up. Either have a ladder for unseeded players or a large qualifier bracket thing. And having offline events is almost impossible since there is no expenses covered and the US is damn huge. Takes some leadership and you probably can get some support from iccup or TL.

And then WCG USA can either take that player, backed by basically all USA SC players of any name, or some random nobody that won the official event. If WCG USA refuses then just go to WCG worldwide and play the Idra-card or something.

Anyway, all this stuff only works if all players stick together. Same for a boycott.

This is really the last chance for WCG, and hence, we could call it the Last Shadow Qualifier.
Moderator
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42685 Posts
April 17 2009 20:02 GMT
#85
On April 18 2009 04:51 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2009 00:11 Diomedes wrote:
What about creating a shadow qualifier and have all the top players play in that, organized by themselves. You have to do everything WCG USA can't without their resources. Have an official page where people sign up. Either have a ladder for unseeded players or a large qualifier bracket thing. And having offline events is almost impossible since there is no expenses covered and the US is damn huge. Takes some leadership and you probably can get some support from iccup or TL.

And then WCG USA can either take that player, backed by basically all USA SC players of any name, or some random nobody that won the official event. If WCG USA refuses then just go to WCG worldwide and play the Idra-card or something.

Anyway, all this stuff only works if all players stick together. Same for a boycott.

This is really the last chance for WCG, and hence, we could call it the Last Shadow Qualifier.

A Last Shadow Qualifier would really pressure WCG.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
April 17 2009 20:10 GMT
#86
On April 18 2009 05:02 Kwark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2009 04:51 Chill wrote:
On April 18 2009 00:11 Diomedes wrote:
What about creating a shadow qualifier and have all the top players play in that, organized by themselves. You have to do everything WCG USA can't without their resources. Have an official page where people sign up. Either have a ladder for unseeded players or a large qualifier bracket thing. And having offline events is almost impossible since there is no expenses covered and the US is damn huge. Takes some leadership and you probably can get some support from iccup or TL.

And then WCG USA can either take that player, backed by basically all USA SC players of any name, or some random nobody that won the official event. If WCG USA refuses then just go to WCG worldwide and play the Idra-card or something.

Anyway, all this stuff only works if all players stick together. Same for a boycott.

This is really the last chance for WCG, and hence, we could call it the Last Shadow Qualifier.

A Last Shadow Qualifier would really pressure WCG.

and it would gather huge huge names from all around the world
sounds amazing
cw)minsean(ru
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
April 17 2009 20:11 GMT
#87
The thing is it seems like they could fix their problems this year (at least concerning the actual running of the online qualifiers) by just doing the same tournament format they are planning to use, but use ICCUP instaed of GamOn. It's like they're trying to re-invent the wheel or something by insisting they use GamOn when it makes sc lag and I have no clue if it even stops hacks. Not to mentin the lack of LAN latency.

I agree WCG should do a better job. But unfortunately I don't think they care too much about the national WCG USA SC qualifier. There isn't much money in it for them either way. Although you would think they want to keep their tournament legitimate in a time when other tournaments like ESWC went down the drain.
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
April 17 2009 20:16 GMT
#88
On April 18 2009 05:02 Kwark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2009 04:51 Chill wrote:
On April 18 2009 00:11 Diomedes wrote:
What about creating a shadow qualifier and have all the top players play in that, organized by themselves. You have to do everything WCG USA can't without their resources. Have an official page where people sign up. Either have a ladder for unseeded players or a large qualifier bracket thing. And having offline events is almost impossible since there is no expenses covered and the US is damn huge. Takes some leadership and you probably can get some support from iccup or TL.

And then WCG USA can either take that player, backed by basically all USA SC players of any name, or some random nobody that won the official event. If WCG USA refuses then just go to WCG worldwide and play the Idra-card or something.

Anyway, all this stuff only works if all players stick together. Same for a boycott.

This is really the last chance for WCG, and hence, we could call it the Last Shadow Qualifier.

A Last Shadow Qualifier would really pressure WCG.

lol
ModeratorResident K-POP Elitist
Diomedes
Profile Joined March 2009
464 Posts
April 17 2009 20:20 GMT
#89
Yeah I wanted to make a Last Shadow joke. But it's better if others do it.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
April 17 2009 20:21 GMT
#90
On April 18 2009 05:02 Kwark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2009 04:51 Chill wrote:
On April 18 2009 00:11 Diomedes wrote:
What about creating a shadow qualifier and have all the top players play in that, organized by themselves. You have to do everything WCG USA can't without their resources. Have an official page where people sign up. Either have a ladder for unseeded players or a large qualifier bracket thing. And having offline events is almost impossible since there is no expenses covered and the US is damn huge. Takes some leadership and you probably can get some support from iccup or TL.

And then WCG USA can either take that player, backed by basically all USA SC players of any name, or some random nobody that won the official event. If WCG USA refuses then just go to WCG worldwide and play the Idra-card or something.

Anyway, all this stuff only works if all players stick together. Same for a boycott.

This is really the last chance for WCG, and hence, we could call it the Last Shadow Qualifier.

A Last Shadow Qualifier would really pressure WCG.


True, they might shadow rush to a conclusion a little more quickly.
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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8836 Posts
April 17 2009 20:26 GMT
#91
I would applaud the sick timing of such a tournament.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-17 20:27:48
April 17 2009 20:27 GMT
#92
Evilteletubby come on man you guys and your 'puns' are over shadowing the problems. We must organize now with sick timing senses to amend the situation!

(P.S Lastshadow raped me so hard last night I vowed to never smoke weed and play starcraft again)
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
April 17 2009 21:17 GMT
#93
Damn, all the more reasons for me to practice harder so I can get super good and boycott too :/. Good luck to all of you, I hope you guys can work it out
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
April 17 2009 21:42 GMT
#94
Day I too will boycott WCG USA.
Hi.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-17 21:52:09
April 17 2009 21:49 GMT
#95
On April 17 2009 23:06 Velr wrote:
Little history about WCG Switzerland (only once or twice held for SC/BW).

Organisators had no clue about anything - BUT they let us handle the whole event basically by ourselfes (yay casual organisators which had the guts to actually say that he has no clue about SC/BW and appreciated any help).

Whole event was very fluent (but Switzerland is small and we could bring the whole thing down at 1 Lan, was more a community meeting with tons of awkward CS/Egoshooter guys around ).

Problem:
1 Chinese was there, his nick was "Lyun)Toss" iirc (studied in Switzerland or something, he did not speak a single word of german or French and basically no english)... Organisation decided he could play (we argued against it). Seriously, he dominated the finals with Corsair/Reaver and no one of us saw this strat executed to a decent level ever before... crushing.
He steamrolled nearly everyone (I think he lost about 2 games in total, games that didn't count and where played for fun). He was like 6 month's to 1 year ahead in the SC/BW *evolution* :p).

Later WCG decided that he can't play for Switzerland (-.-)

Switzerland sends no one.

Nice -.-.

edit. that man was linyu)toss, confirmed
Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
April 17 2009 21:52 GMT
#96
Solidarity really is key. If all the players don't stick together, this will lose a lot of its power.
Super serious.
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
April 17 2009 22:49 GMT
#97
Isn't this called a strike, not a boycott?... and don't they tend to fail if you don't have some sorta player's-union (that even crappy players join) backing you up? I hope I'm not being too picky about word choice here... it's just a strike and a boycott are very different strategies. One bottleneck's supply, the other cripples or eliminates demand. Both are a fairly dangerous games to play with a company that's supports other videogames over BW already. What sorta options do you have?

For 1) WCG isn't just about BW. If you organize a boycott, the corporates may interpret that as the game being dead. That's bad for BW as e-sports. Demand for BW must remain high. So...

2) A strike may seem in order, but this'll require some organization. You wanna start up a nation-wide (or even international) player's union? I wouldn't suggest half-assing it if you do, cuz it is really easy for a strike to be broken if there isn't a strong union. If the strike breaks, what you're doing becomes an empty gesture that only hurts yourself and those you convince to follow you. I mean... if you were a superstar or you could convince a superstar to follow you, you might be able to affect something, but unfortunately I don't believe USA BW has anyone that qualifies as the face of BW.

There's a third option, I guess... you could force capital flight (get WCG's sponsors to back out), but that'd be bad for e-sports in general, would involve massive scale letter writing campaigns, boycotts and strikes (or a new federal tax on e-sports sponsorships, lol) and I wouldn't suggest any of that.

A fourth option would be to start up a competitor...

Sigh... I think I'm sounding a bit too negative. I think ideally you should work with WCG to make their BW tournaments top-notch... but if they're not listening to you it becomes a really rotten situation. Sad to hear about.

Good luck with whatever you decide. If you want it to work, take it seriously and go all the way with it.
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
April 17 2009 23:03 GMT
#98
On April 18 2009 06:49 emucxg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2009 23:06 Velr wrote:
Little history about WCG Switzerland (only once or twice held for SC/BW).

Organisators had no clue about anything - BUT they let us handle the whole event basically by ourselfes (yay casual organisators which had the guts to actually say that he has no clue about SC/BW and appreciated any help).

Whole event was very fluent (but Switzerland is small and we could bring the whole thing down at 1 Lan, was more a community meeting with tons of awkward CS/Egoshooter guys around ).

Problem:
1 Chinese was there, his nick was "Lyun)Toss" iirc (studied in Switzerland or something, he did not speak a single word of german or French and basically no english)... Organisation decided he could play (we argued against it). Seriously, he dominated the finals with Corsair/Reaver and no one of us saw this strat executed to a decent level ever before... crushing.
He steamrolled nearly everyone (I think he lost about 2 games in total, games that didn't count and where played for fun). He was like 6 month's to 1 year ahead in the SC/BW *evolution* :p).

Later WCG decided that he can't play for Switzerland (-.-)

Switzerland sends no one.

Nice -.-.

edit. that man was linyu)toss, confirmed

wow that's really fucked up :\
Entusman #12
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
April 17 2009 23:05 GMT
#99
Look this sucks but I don't know that singling out Laurent is a great idea. It doesn't sound like he has a great handle about what's going on (given he doesn't seem to know how maps work) so it's natural he would get upset when we all start going at him with demands when he can't understand why they are reasonable and necessary.
Mr.E
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States434 Posts
April 17 2009 23:19 GMT
#100
On April 18 2009 08:05 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Look this sucks but I don't know that singling out Laurent is a great idea. It doesn't sound like he has a great handle about what's going on (given he doesn't seem to know how maps work) so it's natural he would get upset when we all start going at him with demands when he can't understand why they are reasonable and necessary.


which brings about the question: Why isn't someone who knows whats going on heading this project?
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