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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-02 21:37:12
February 02 2018 21:06 GMT
#13
I know TL Mafia has changed a bit in the last few years, is being around at the deadlines still pretty important?

Edit: I would probably have the all KP (town or mafia) resolve simultaneously, unless the setup is designed otherwise. Feels like that has the least affect on gameplay.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 04 2018 05:51 GMT
#22
Probably a terrible idea but /in
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 05 2018 20:08 GMT
#46
On February 05 2018 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In advance i will say that next week i am working an evening shift so unfortunately i cannot be around most likely any end of phase in the last 8 hours.
On February 06 2018 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi. I am town.
Liar = mafia?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 02:39 GMT
#137
Hi. Darthfoley, what was about Mocsta's posts about going to bed that got to you so much? Doesn't have to be a long answer, I know you said they felt awkward but I'm not really seeing what you are at present.

I'll read Mocsta's case soon.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 02:59 GMT
#146
On February 06 2018 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
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On February 06 2018 11:39 Trfel wrote:
Hi. Darthfoley, what was about Mocsta's posts about going to bed that got to you so much? Doesn't have to be a long answer, I know you said they felt awkward but I'm not really seeing what you are at present.

I'll read Mocsta's case soon.


Basically if I were super tired and woke up to post, I would probably not make the second post with typos about going back to bed. For me, I would just be exhausted and fall asleep. The second post sounded like one of those "update on activity" posts mafia sometimes feel like they have to make
You take this more seriously than Mocsta's drawing attention to rsoultin's comment about the serial killer?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 03:07 GMT
#152
Conversion, I'm really confused by what you're saying about rsoultin. I may be misunderstanding your argument entirely, correct me if I'm wrong (posts 122-124), but you seem to be saying that one of the reasons you're willing to lynch rsoultin is that she randomly picked on your post and not the other joke posts at the time. Or what is going on here?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 03:13 GMT
#155
On February 06 2018 12:03 darthfoley wrote:
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On February 06 2018 11:59 Trfel wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:39 Trfel wrote:
Hi. Darthfoley, what was about Mocsta's posts about going to bed that got to you so much? Doesn't have to be a long answer, I know you said they felt awkward but I'm not really seeing what you are at present.

I'll read Mocsta's case soon.


Basically if I were super tired and woke up to post, I would probably not make the second post with typos about going back to bed. For me, I would just be exhausted and fall asleep. The second post sounded like one of those "update on activity" posts mafia sometimes feel like they have to make
You take this more seriously than Mocsta's drawing attention to rsoultin's comment about the serial killer?


No
In that case I'm really confused as to your thought process. You've said that Mocsta doesn't impress you, but seem to agree with everything he's saying and doing about rsoultin. To me it seems like your suspicions of Mocsta due to his waking up/going to sleep posts should be vastly outweighed by his making the main push in the thread that you are in agreement with. So what is it that makes them so similar; or why are you still so suspicious of Mocsta?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 03:23 GMT
#160
On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:
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On February 06 2018 12:07 Trfel wrote:
Conversion, I'm really confused by what you're saying about rsoultin. I may be misunderstanding your argument entirely, correct me if I'm wrong (posts 122-124), but you seem to be saying that one of the reasons you're willing to lynch rsoultin is that she randomly picked on your post and not the other joke posts at the time. Or what is going on here?


Her nitpicky post just seemed pretty forced to try and make something out of obviously nothing. I see that more scum than town.
On February 06 2018 06:52 Conversion wrote:
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On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:37 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:36 mderg wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:34 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
The fact is you can't be bothered because it isn't really important and is pretty irrelevant. Rayn makes a wall of text on it and it's overblown. There's a couple of reasons that spring to mind but there's nothing wrong with voting rayn in the meantime.
a tually ita because i needed to piss and am goinf back to sleep lol

But.. what yoy say is interesting.
I will considee when i wake if a wall of text was deserving over a "ping"

Going back to sleep is probably a good idea considering the way you write at the moment

Bro-ski
Nice joke but not very hipster of you

Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please

Was thinking nothing about her posts but that
On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though.

actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me


I am curious as to what part of her sharing her opinion on my obviously joke post on HF being Serial Killer sounds bullshitty
In that case, why did you ask this question to mderg, if you agreed with his assessment?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 03:36 GMT
#164
On February 06 2018 12:24 Conversion wrote:
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On February 06 2018 12:23 Trfel wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:07 Trfel wrote:
Conversion, I'm really confused by what you're saying about rsoultin. I may be misunderstanding your argument entirely, correct me if I'm wrong (posts 122-124), but you seem to be saying that one of the reasons you're willing to lynch rsoultin is that she randomly picked on your post and not the other joke posts at the time. Or what is going on here?


Her nitpicky post just seemed pretty forced to try and make something out of obviously nothing. I see that more scum than town.
On February 06 2018 06:52 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:37 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:36 mderg wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:34 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
The fact is you can't be bothered because it isn't really important and is pretty irrelevant. Rayn makes a wall of text on it and it's overblown. There's a couple of reasons that spring to mind but there's nothing wrong with voting rayn in the meantime.
a tually ita because i needed to piss and am goinf back to sleep lol

But.. what yoy say is interesting.
I will considee when i wake if a wall of text was deserving over a "ping"

Going back to sleep is probably a good idea considering the way you write at the moment

Bro-ski
Nice joke but not very hipster of you

Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please

Was thinking nothing about her posts but that
On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though.

actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me


I am curious as to what part of her sharing her opinion on my obviously joke post on HF being Serial Killer sounds bullshitty
In that case, why did you ask this question to mderg, if you agreed with his assessment?


Because calling people's opinions bullshitty doesn't make sense in my head, and is also seemingly forced to try and look active?

I don't get this line of questioning. I can ask people about their motivations even if I may agree with them
First of all, thank you for answering.

Yes you can ask for motivations even if you don't agree. It just really doesn't seem like you cared about mderg's answer, it doesn't seem like you were actually interested at all.

To me it reads like: you thought it was weird that rsoultin picked on your joke post and not the others. Someone else disliked the same thing as you. You then asked them about it, and didn't seem to draw anything from their response. While at the same time, you cared enough about rsoultin's comments to ultimately vote her for it, but not enough to say it?

Like if I were in your shoes, I would have been much more interested in talking about rsoultin's comments and why they were suspicious than I would be in questioning someone who agrees with me. Did I explain that coherently enough?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 03:42 GMT
#165
Mocsta, I'm sorry, I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding what you're saying in your case on rsoultin. Is this a correct summary?

#1: Rsoultin isn't attempting to discern raynpelikoneet's motives
#2: Inconsistency with respect to whether or not the serial killer discussion is actually important
#3: Passive-aggressively throwing suspicion at other players while giving a way out
#4: Not attempting to find mafia between Conversion and Holyflare

If those are wrong, then don't bother with the following questions.

I looked (very briefly) at rsoultin's last game that you linked, how is a post like this different from what you're seeing in this game with respect to the passive-aggressive play and pushing suspicion? I'm not seeing a significant difference.

Also I am not sure what makes you think that rsoultin thinks there is mafia between Conversion and Holyflare in the first place? Or am I missing that?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 03:46 GMT
#166
Ritoky, may I ask why you're so confident in Holyflare being town?

I'm pretty sure I see what you're getting at but Holflare tends to destroy hopes and dreams as mafia, I'm just curious as to how you're so confident so quickly.

Also, how serious is your read on Koshi?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 04:21 GMT
#171
On February 06 2018 13:18 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 12:36 Trfel wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:24 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:23 Trfel wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:07 Trfel wrote:
Conversion, I'm really confused by what you're saying about rsoultin. I may be misunderstanding your argument entirely, correct me if I'm wrong (posts 122-124), but you seem to be saying that one of the reasons you're willing to lynch rsoultin is that she randomly picked on your post and not the other joke posts at the time. Or what is going on here?


Her nitpicky post just seemed pretty forced to try and make something out of obviously nothing. I see that more scum than town.
On February 06 2018 06:52 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:45 mderg wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:37 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:36 mderg wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:34 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 06:31 Holyflare wrote:
The fact is you can't be bothered because it isn't really important and is pretty irrelevant. Rayn makes a wall of text on it and it's overblown. There's a couple of reasons that spring to mind but there's nothing wrong with voting rayn in the meantime.
a tually ita because i needed to piss and am goinf back to sleep lol

But.. what yoy say is interesting.
I will considee when i wake if a wall of text was deserving over a "ping"

Going back to sleep is probably a good idea considering the way you write at the moment

Bro-ski
Nice joke but not very hipster of you

Be that wanderer and tell me thoights on rsoultin please

Was thinking nothing about her posts but that
On February 06 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
@Rayn, his post caught my eye because, to me, it's a bit of an unnatural place for someone's mind to go. But it's hardly worth pursuing unless night actions get strange. I'm not sure why you're bothering to ask me such an open-ended, obscure question, though.

actually sounds a bit bullshitty to me


I am curious as to what part of her sharing her opinion on my obviously joke post on HF being Serial Killer sounds bullshitty
In that case, why did you ask this question to mderg, if you agreed with his assessment?


Because calling people's opinions bullshitty doesn't make sense in my head, and is also seemingly forced to try and look active?

I don't get this line of questioning. I can ask people about their motivations even if I may agree with them
First of all, thank you for answering.

Yes you can ask for motivations even if you don't agree. It just really doesn't seem like you cared about mderg's answer, it doesn't seem like you were actually interested at all.

To me it reads like: you thought it was weird that rsoultin picked on your joke post and not the others. Someone else disliked the same thing as you. You then asked them about it, and didn't seem to draw anything from their response. While at the same time, you cared enough about rsoultin's comments to ultimately vote her for it, but not enough to say it?

Like if I were in your shoes, I would have been much more interested in talking about rsoultin's comments and why they were suspicious than I would be in questioning someone who agrees with me. Did I explain that coherently enough?


I can concede to your points, but if I can ask again.. where is this leading? Do you think I'm scummy because of your aforementioned points? The jist of your arguments is that you find my play style not aligned with how you would play.. but what comes from that. Does that make me scummy because I have done something that isn't within the realm of how you would play if you were town?
It's not really that you did something other than what I would do. It's that the series of posts doesn't seem to show that you cared at all about your read on rsoultin. I do indeed think that it is suspicious that you had a read on rsoultin that you didn't seem to care enough about that you then decided to vote her for and then ask others to join you in.

On a change of subject, Conversion, what did you get out of Mocsta's case on rsoultin? Because frankly I'm having trouble understanding it, and you seemed to find it decently convincing. What stood out to you about it?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 04:24 GMT
#172
@Ritoky, fair enough, I suppose. Thanks.

@Mocsta, thanks for explaining. I will let the meta point drop. I'm really sorry, I have no clue what you're trying to say for #4. If it's really important I can try again, otherwise I don't really agree with your read right now so I don't think it's significant.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 04:47 GMT
#176
On February 06 2018 13:19 Conversion wrote:
I also don't get how you determined that I did not care about mderg's comment-- he answered me indirectly by answering rsoultin and said bullshitty was the wrong word for it, so I had no more to follow up on it.
Fair enough. I feel that when someone asks a question, gets a response, and doesn't mention it again, that they didn't really care about it in the first place, but I'm willing to drop this point.
On February 06 2018 13:36 Mocsta wrote:
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On February 06 2018 13:24 Trfel wrote:
@Mocsta, thanks for explaining. I will let the meta point drop. I'm really sorry, I have no clue what you're trying to say for #4. If it's really important I can try again, otherwise I don't really agree with your read right now so I don't think it's significant.
Appreciate you looking through it anyways.

I read through the game again, and Im not as certain as I was prior either - perhaps because this discussion with conversion has (in a good way) taken me off focusing on myself.
Having said that, I personally see sufficient change between this and last game to maintain my vote - even though its not a meta case!

Do you see anything sinister with DF?
Im struggling to understand his logic (in particular related to me); however, I also think that he is too accepting of the spotlight to be mafia vibes.
Yeah I'm not necessarily opposed to talking more about the rsoultin read, I'd just rather have Conversion answer my above question first (for obvious reasons). And I don't really see it making me vote for rsoultin.

I'm not thrilled about darthfoley, to be honest. I also felt that his read on you didn't make a ton of sense, waiting for his explanation on that again. I didn't like the way that he seems suspicious of everything: no townreads, suspicious of both rsoultin and you, and suspicious of both Conversion's introduction and rsoultin's comment about it. Makes me feel like he's trying to keep all of his options open. He's probably my #2 suspect, after Conversion.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 05:20 GMT
#181
I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious.
On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer
this is quite funny.
See i thoight before you said YOU were sk

I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF.

When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet



This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing.

I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it.
Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz.

I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play.

However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far?


Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it.

Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep
"I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case.

Also,
On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time.
What about this?
On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:
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On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi
Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?


his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.

non committal.

posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.


Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 05:32 GMT
#184
Mocsta, you seem so town, but.....

Your reasoning for voting for rsoultin here and your case here don't really seem to be the same at all. Can you explain this?

I do see what you're saying about your point #2, I don't see it as a big deal, though. To me, the importance of something can change over time, as it's relative. It makes sense to me that rsoultin saw the serial killer comment as being important relative to the other things in the thread at the time, but irrelevant compared to actual reads and following discussions. So in some ways it's both important and unimportant at once.
On February 06 2018 14:22 Conversion wrote:
Meh, probably shouldn't have posted at this hour. I'll concede that I glossed over that part of my filter, so I fucked up there.

But that post to ritoky was making him try to commit to something, not trying to get him get onto the rsoultin train. I just am confused as to why you're doing this thing where you bring up a good point, then right after misrepresent another thing I do/say into a fitting argument..
If you would prefer I'm willing to give you space and see what you do with it. I'm not trying to misrepresent what you do, I'm trying to see the thought that is behind your posts to figure out your alignment; to that end if I do misinterpret them I am sorry. Right now I am having some trouble believing some of the things you have said, but I would be interested in your reads on the rest of the game if you have any.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 06:03 GMT
#187
On February 06 2018 14:46 Mocsta wrote:
Hi Trfel.

Thanks for delivering one half of a shit sandwich lol

I wonder why you dont think they are related?
I still comment on passive aggression.
The anger/emotive component was removed as I didnt register it as strongly on a re-read.

I wrote a wall of text because
A - I wanted to walk people through how I reached my conclusion - which does not appear to be successful
B - I decided to write a case because of the sum of the filter, not any one particular part.

Regarding Point #2 = commenting on importance of raising discussion.
This is of great significance to me as a gut feeling heuristic.
Essentially, I have only played one game with town!rsoultin but I have tremendous respect, and thus, expectation for how she approaches the game. Perhaps as DF commented, it is simply too early; but I find point #2 in particular falls in the complete opposite flow of that expectation.

P.S you are super town to me
I understand better now. Thanks for clarifying. That thought process makes enough sense.

That's fair. I am not super confident in rsoultin's alignment honestly, I slightly think she is town but could be wrong. I generally don't like to defend others though, would be interested to see what rsoultin says about it.
Kinda going to bed. Mocsta and ritoky probably town, partially for sharing my reads. Partially for Mocsta for having a thoughtful approach to the game, willing to share his thoughts and reconsider. Partially for ritoky for making good comments but not seeming to care a ton, I feel like he'd be much more involved as mafia. Holyflare is a town lean despite the fact that he could fool me even if I saw he received a mafia role pm .
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 16:25 GMT
#329
If I must.
On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:
I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious.
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer
this is quite funny.
See i thoight before you said YOU were sk

I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF.

When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet



This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing.

I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it.
Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz.

I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play.

However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far?


Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it.

Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep
"I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case.

Also,
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time.
What about this?
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi
Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?


his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.

non committal.

posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.


Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you?
The last quote wasn't out of context. If you look at what was happening in the thread (starting here), you know that ritoky says that rsoultin is probably town, and then Mocsta asks why, and ritoky gives a reason. Then Conversion made that post. Conversion definitely should have seen ritoky's posts, as they were 6+ minutes later and he posted in between. To me, if you're asking someone for how they feel about lynching someone when they just said that they were townreading them means that you're trying to change their mind and get support for the lynch. Not just asking what they think.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 16:40 GMT
#330
On February 06 2018 21:24 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel why aren't you voting df? You have him dead to rights with that earlier post.
Darthfoley hasn't done much yet. I'm not super fond of what he's done but I'm not confident enough to push it quite yet. I don't really see a push on darthfoley being productive at this time.
On February 06 2018 23:35 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2018 15:03 Trfel wrote:
On February 06 2018 14:46 Mocsta wrote:
Hi Trfel.

Thanks for delivering one half of a shit sandwich lol

I wonder why you dont think they are related?
I still comment on passive aggression.
The anger/emotive component was removed as I didnt register it as strongly on a re-read.

I wrote a wall of text because
A - I wanted to walk people through how I reached my conclusion - which does not appear to be successful
B - I decided to write a case because of the sum of the filter, not any one particular part.

Regarding Point #2 = commenting on importance of raising discussion.
This is of great significance to me as a gut feeling heuristic.
Essentially, I have only played one game with town!rsoultin but I have tremendous respect, and thus, expectation for how she approaches the game. Perhaps as DF commented, it is simply too early; but I find point #2 in particular falls in the complete opposite flow of that expectation.

P.S you are super town to me
I understand better now. Thanks for clarifying. That thought process makes enough sense.

That's fair. I am not super confident in rsoultin's alignment honestly, I slightly think she is town but could be wrong. I generally don't like to defend others though, would be interested to see what rsoultin says about it.
Kinda going to bed. Mocsta and ritoky probably town, partially for sharing my reads. Partially for Mocsta for having a thoughtful approach to the game, willing to share his thoughts and reconsider. Partially for ritoky for making good comments but not seeming to care a ton, I feel like he'd be much more involved as mafia. Holyflare is a town lean despite the fact that he could fool me even if I saw he received a mafia role pm .


How did you end the night without having a followup conclusion on me? Are you still suspicious of me being mafia?

This is also weird play to me. You spent a majority of your time calling me inconsistent and pointing stuff out from my filter, but you couldn't be bothered to summarize that interaction?
My concluding statement about you was one post before that one (I found/find you suspicious but want more time to think about it and more information to work with).
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
February 06 2018 17:22 GMT
#336
On February 07 2018 00:54 Koshi wrote:
Prplhz made a post about ritoky being town and I didnt like the reasoning. When I read ritoky his reads I might agree with them but I dont townread ritoky for them because they lacked content. Prplhz just calls him town for it. I dont like the not critical view. On top of that the reasoning to call out tfrel was weak and superficial. It had nothing to do with mafia mindset or anything. While tfrel made already so many well thought out post I did not like he nitpicks the post he did and ignored the rest. Also dont like the fact that he first townreads ritoky and then attacks tfrel about something he said about ritoky. Feels funny.
Would you be willing to explain your prplhz read a bit? Prplhz said about me "His play seems kind of sideliney and too cautious, everybody agreeing with him seems to calm him down rather than fire him up", which to me does seem to be about mafia mindset. Were it not for this I'd be much more understanding of your read.
On February 07 2018 02:09 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2018 01:25 Trfel wrote:
If I must.
On February 06 2018 14:20 Trfel wrote:
I feel like Conversion is highly inconsistent. I'm not sold on him being mafia but I'm pretty suspicious.
On February 06 2018 10:06 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 09:52 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 08:08 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 05:22 Conversion wrote:
He's actually home. I'm next to him and read his role PM and it said Serial Killer
this is quite funny.
See i thoight before you said YOU were sk

I reread based on ya latest comment saying it was to HF.

When i saw HF say hes "safe" i was drawn to assume SK as well lol
Unusual choice of words, inclusive of vet



This is weird since that wasn't the conclusion I was drawing. Not sure why you are trying to conclude we thought the same thing.

I just assumed safe meant "not mafia," so I just joked about it.
Yeah OK. I think you are nitpicking/overreacting here with the distancing a bit much. But watevz.

I still think the choice of "safe" is unusual, and when coupled with the how he interjected Rayn/rsoultin - in general I find it to be odd play.

However, I am more curious if this is what you truly think is the most relevant part of the game to raise so far?


Fair point on me being nitpicky. That's just how I am. Also, agreed I was being lazy in not bringing up anything related to rsoultin but I do not know what "weird" is in terms of meta. I did find her behavior objectively weirder in randomly nitpicking (to steal your word) on my joke post, and harp on others for it.

Not sure if that makes her mafia, but at this point in time I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted, so I'll sheep
"I'd be pretty okay with an rsoultin lynch with what you posted", to me this means that he liked the reasons that Mocsta posted and agreed. However, in his above post, he said "His case made me think a bit more about rsoultin and then I put my reasons out in my filter". But the reason that he stated for voting rsoultin isn't at all what Mocsta said in his case.

Also,
On February 06 2018 14:11 Conversion wrote:
1) I never tried to get other people on rsoultin. I stated that in my head (whenever I voted her) that she was the best lynch at that time.
What about this?
On February 06 2018 12:21 Conversion wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote:
On February 06 2018 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote:
hf town
not lynching mocsta today
rsoul prob town

df hot and cold

conv kinda poop soup

lynch koshi
Hi ritoky
what makes conv brown?


his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered.

non committal.

posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia.


Thanks, hun. You want to commit to something? I'd be perfectly good with a rsoultin lynch right now, what about you?
The last quote wasn't out of context. If you look at what was happening in the thread (starting here), you know that ritoky says that rsoultin is probably town, and then Mocsta asks why, and ritoky gives a reason. Then Conversion made that post. Conversion definitely should have seen ritoky's posts, as they were 6+ minutes later and he posted in between. To me, if you're asking someone for how they feel about lynching someone when they just said that they were townreading them means that you're trying to change their mind and get support for the lynch. Not just asking what they think.


This is just a very far-reaching statement. You don't know what I meant by that statement aside from that either 1) I was asking ritoky to either share his opinion of rsoultin with me, or 2) I was asking ritoky who he wanted to lynch. Either of those statements is not a direct translation to "I want you to lynch rsoultin with me," which is what you were saying I was attempting to do.
I didn't read it like option #2 at all, I honestly didn't even see it as a possibility. I read it like option #1, and as I tried to explain, the context was what made it read like you wanted ritoky to lynch rsoultin with you. I guess I'll step back and figure out what's really going on then.
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