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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 12 2016 21:23 GMT
#7
/in
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 12 2016 21:44 GMT
#11
Can't play if this starts before the 17th though - feel free to remove me if that is the case
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 12 2016 23:34 GMT
#19
On January 13 2016 06:51 GreYMisT wrote:
Remember there will be 2 days of picking numbers and roles

Ok then it should be fine if it doesn't start tomorrow
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 14 2016 19:25 GMT
#98
Yo folks excited to play
I would prefer this to start Monday so I have time to properly read the op before the role picking day
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 18 2016 21:37 GMT
#181
Man I skimmed through the role list, seemed super awesome! Super hyped for that game. Will be asleep when it starts though, I just read about that 1 am deadline )= which means I'll miss almost every deadline.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 10:57 GMT
#346
On January 19 2016 19:51 Palmar wrote:
tl;dr I want a friend, who wants to be my friend? (a friend is required to be available for the next few hours).

Are you gonna betray me again ? #neverforget
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 10:59 GMT
#348
Going to get some lunch, I'll read the thread after that (=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 13:13 GMT
#393
alright I'm there, reading now
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 13:14 GMT
#394
@list above I'll take 7 1 then. Unless I think someone highly placed is scum, in that case I'll counterpick his number
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 13:18 GMT
#395
On January 19 2016 09:05 Onegu wrote:
Koshi dumbtelling town

++
Koshi is 100% town
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 13:22 GMT
#396
On January 19 2016 09:20 Superbia wrote:
Protective and investigative roles are #1 priority for town.

So you're OK picking one role like that if you're high on the pick list right ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 13:42 GMT
#397
+ Show Spoiler [long kita post] +

On January 19 2016 09:39 kitaman27 wrote:
Setup speculation time (first person to wine about this gets mafia points!)

Here is what I'm thinking for town's priority on the roles. The fact that the mafia kp has to be carried out and can be roleblocked or tracked is key. Things like jailer are especially powerful here and there are two of them! With mafia kp only at 2 after n1, the amount of rbing and protective roles can hopefully shut them down. In the past games, town always manages to shoot themselves in the foot by overlapping on their picks way too much while leaving perfectly valid roles unpicked so hopefully we can avoid that. I know everyone wants to be the sexy vig, but don't underestimate the usefulness of a protective or investigative role. The vig's just tend to end the game on day three or something, which is to our detriment in all blue setup.

I think the Link mass roleblock should definitely be used at night 2. It essentially is guaranteed to stop both mafia kp and we get a free lynch from it which is really useful.

I also think we should come up with a list that we should policy lynch if any player is found to have selected it. These roles are essentially only useful in scum hands. In past games, you could always do something like a denial pick or honest check by selecting a scum role in the draft to see if someone above you has picked it, but there are enough role cops that I think we can just get away with policy lynching anyone who is found with one of these.

I also think we should think about a mass claim earlier than later this game, but we can talk about that once it becomes relavent.

High priority:
Link - several very nice 1-shots plus a guaranteed double block of mafia kp
Jailkeeper - rb mafia kp, plus protect
Compulsive Gambler - day vig plus detective check
Holmes - Detective
Moriarty - Role cop, vet, holmes interaction
Captain Malcolm - Very useful to protect any town plan or leaders in general
Dr. House - Track plus protect. so good
Knight Artorias - Busdriver plus day vig, strong enough that I think it may be worth picking isn't of denying
Ayla - Another jailer
CPR Doc - super powerful
The Arrow - day vig with infomation upside

Medium Priority:
Dr. Sy N. Tist - parity cop and protect
Doctor - Always a great pick for lower tier
Time Travelling Vig - delayed vig that is better in hands of town
Yu Narukami - decent 1 shot abilities, might upgrade to high if I can think of a good way to abuse the Death card
Dreamflower - You're likely going to kill yourself within the first few days so I think the other vigs are probably a bit better
Ezio - 1 shot alignment check
Tommy the Fireman - tracker and vet is nice, but relies on target living and has a risky side effect
kitaman27 - :D Nice to verify a role claim or pick something up that slipped through

Low Priority:
Puppeteer - No offense, but your analysis skills aren't so godly that you need to hide behind a smurf
City Councilman - Mayor is typically anti-town. Bodyguard isn't that great compared to other protective roles
Watson - Sanity is nice to have, but meh
Speaker - Not strong enough to justify
Dimensional Lemming - Not as useless as some of the others, but lower on the list
Copycat - depends a bunch on the first lynch
Alchemist - can do better
Flowey - Mafia can hide thier kp this way, might be worth bumping to lowest tier since it isn't all that great to begin with

Policy Lynch:
Hero - If you're getting lynched, the self-pardon isn't going to do anything positive for the game most likely
PSY - Messes with checks. Maybe there is a good use for Hey, Sexy Lady that I'm not thinking off. Still say we ban this one.
Janitor - heh
GreYMisT - eww

???:
Nigella Lawson - Too lazy to look up those abilities at the moment
Werner Von Braun - Need super to translate :D


kita being the first to tryhard => town.

Werner Von Braun seems good: RB + day nuke + another potential KP with the Mars ability.
Nigella seems super good, maybe top tier, seems like she can protect if there is a confirmed town, or investigate if not. It's even possible "purge" is a KP.

On your low prio list:
Watson is a doc, he's at minimum tier 2.
Copycat is super good as obviously everybody will pick a good role; the meh roles will not be picked. Obviously there is a chance a mysterious challenger is the first to die, but it's unlikely stat wise I think.

The rest of the list seems good.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 13:48 GMT
#399
On January 19 2016 09:43 Tictock wrote:
I could see mafia claiming to go for dreamflower though, it's an obviusly pro-town role and might give them some easy cred. For whatever reason I believe Super is seriously going for it though, which is a risky move for mafia.

Mafia never picks dreamflower, as they are assured to die sooner or later if they do. Anybody who picks dreamflower:
- is 100% town
- has strong steel balls.
Knowing this, how is claiming to go for a role then picking another is "easy cred" ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 13:59 GMT
#400
On January 19 2016 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Is making everyone pick roles based on pick order really that great? For some roles you can directly hold people accountable cos announcements but for others I'm not really sure how you can tell what they are doing. Also there's the risk that mafia get the ezio role

This being said I have no better alternative.

Man, Ezio is kinda bad compared to others for town, but super good for mafia. Should be in the "policy" category IMO.

I think directing the role distribution is super good though:
- we can hold people accountable
- if someone important is for example roleblocked, we have a list of person that couldn't do it
- it assures town to have good roles
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:04 GMT
#401
On January 19 2016 13:52 Keirathi wrote:
Koshi's entrance and "dumb tell" things kind of piqued my interest but it's Koshi so who the fk knows with him.

People always doubt dumbtells, but I've never seen mafia fake them. I'm sure it can happen, but I'm also sure it is super unlikely. What do you mean " it's Koshi so who the fk knows with him" ? Is he known for making fake dumbtells ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:08 GMT
#403
On January 19 2016 21:10 Onegu wrote:
[image loading]

LOL
If you can post that you can also change your number to something that hasn't been picked
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:11 GMT
#405
On January 19 2016 23:05 Keirathi wrote:
I don't really think Ezio is that good, even for Mafia. Why strip one personof their power when there are plenty of other roles that would let you kill them plus do other stuff /shrug

I'm pretty sure there is some broken claim combinaisons we can do as town (the two det + Watson claim that was proposed is a good example), and Ezio destroys the first attempt at that. He's also a roleblocker. It's written "once per game", but I assume this only counts for the "destroy the ability" part, not the roleblock part. I asked to be sure.
It's true that if the RB is also part of the "once per game" stuff, it's a kinda bad role; but I don't think it's the case.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:15 GMT
#407
On January 19 2016 23:09 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 21:18 Palmar wrote:
On January 19 2016 15:09 Breshke wrote:
I think mass claiming is a good idea just not D1 obviously

mass claiming d1 is generally fine unless there is some kind of a witch role that matches players with roles and murders them.

there's too many targets for mafia to kill, and it really helps

Isn't that exactly what Ezio does?

Show nested quote +
On January 19 2016 22:59 Rels wrote:
On January 19 2016 10:34 Breshke wrote:
Is making everyone pick roles based on pick order really that great? For some roles you can directly hold people accountable cos announcements but for others I'm not really sure how you can tell what they are doing. Also there's the risk that mafia get the ezio role

This being said I have no better alternative.

Man, Ezio is kinda bad compared to others for town, but super good for mafia. Should be in the "policy" category IMO.

I think directing the role distribution is super good though:
- we can hold people accountable
- if someone important is for example roleblocked, we have a list of person that couldn't do it
- it assures town to have good roles

Okay, how would this picking by pick order work exactly?
Like once the pick order is established. We start with the first person to announce which role he/she wants and that has to be one of the roles very good for town? Which would also mean everyone would know everyone's role from the beginning.

Another advantage would be the minimization of overlap and therefore wild card mysterious challengers in the game.

Still not 100% about this, so if someone could explain a bit more in detail what the actual process of picking by pick order would entail that would be appreciated.

I don't know how we could do it in details, but in general it's good for the reasons above. Especially the lack of mysterious challengers; after all, there are only 8 mafia, if everybody picks good roles, it means 14 townies has separate and good roles.
I didn't count the number of roles but I assume there are more than 22. p:

Now for the details, I suppose we just go down kita's tier list, like people just announce what they pick and we can talk about it.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:17 GMT
#408
On January 19 2016 21:16 sicklucker wrote:
onegu you can have 1.1 if you pick dream flower. do you agree? if not im going to have someone take 1.1 so neither of you get it

This is brillant.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2016 14:19 GMT
#410
Caught up.
On January 19 2016 13:34 Damdred wrote:
It sort of does, oneg trolls in x way as town and t way as scum. Its just hard to quantify.

but yeah couple town leans at this point.

Since you didn't state them, can you expand ?
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