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I'm not sure what to make of this yet but I have a feeling that either Yell0w or ninjabunnies could be scum. But only one of them. | ||
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On April 29 2014 23:54 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Current reads: Tambo scum, Dfs possible scum, Amiko possible scum, Bunnies, eden, epishade, yellow town in that order. I would like you to explain how you've cleared Yell0w as town? | ||
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Well as stated before your "You're right I'm Mafia" and you asking for advice how to act more as a townie is the prime reason I suspect you. Do keep in mind that I'm suspecting you, not accusing you. It's still day 1 and I'm still not sure about anything. As I stated they two people I suspect as Scum is you and Bunny. I'm haven't decided where to cast my vote yet. | ||
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On April 30 2014 04:40 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Other than your yellow read, what are your reads, @sweetfrost? Well as I stated I suspect Bunny being scum for his efforts of trying very hard to build up a positive relationship with everyone. See my previous posts. As for the rest I'm very unsure and still don't want to give a public opinion on anyone since it would just be misleading, I don't have an opinion on the rest yet. So the only thing I'm willing to say right now is that I don't trust Bunny and Yellow. | ||
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On April 30 2014 05:09 sqrtofneg1 wrote: @Sweet, this doesn't make sense. Mafia wouldn't bus D1. Bunnies and yellow together as mafia doesn't make sense. If you would have read my previous posts you would have noticted that I said that if one of them is scum the other is not. | ||
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But I'm willing to say that I consider Ritoky cleared as town, I like his analysis and they don't seem supicious and he's not jumping on any bandwagons and instead making good independet analysis. I agree with him that sqrt posts are very numerous, short and prodding at people to make analysis all the time. I believe that it's a sign of sqrt being scum. So to sum it up. Cleared : ritoky Possible scum : Yellow/bunny and sqrt | ||
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On April 30 2014 05:51 27ninjabunnies wrote: Sorry, let me explain. Your reads, while I think they are really good, just don't settle right in my gut. I could be wrong, and that's fine, hence why I think I need to get more of a read on you. I am not intentionally trying to lead town down a wrong road. I am pressuring and asking questions I think is relevant to finding the mafia hiding among this town. I agree that having people agree behind me makes me a little wary, but mafia can easily buss their partner, especially when they feel they can't dig him out of the hole he buried himself in. I'm not saying yell0w has done so, or is for sure mafia, but this is what I feel. and if so, it could be a epishade/yell0w team, if yell0w was mafia. Epishade hard defended, then pulled off his defense, as if he knew yell0w was going down. Again none of these reads are for sure, but speculation. Ok I understand but your only reason for you finding his reads odd is your own gut feeling and that's not going to convice anyone unless they share that gut feeling. I don't share it for example and still hold to my clearance of Rikoty as town. | ||
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On April 30 2014 15:15 Epishade wrote: Ok, so I've been looking through filters for a while now, and have come up with my likely scumteam candidates: Sweetfrost, Tamburini, and Ritoky. I'll give my reasoning. The main thing that I can see between these three is that all of them are pushing really hard for Yellow's lynch, but also clearing each other at the same time. Sweetfrost clears Ritoky as town and is trying to kill Yellow while attempting to discredit Bunny (and Sqrt) through these posts. Sweetfrost's plan was to undermine Bunny by saying that he thought she was trying too hard to play townie. I disagree and think Bunny was moving town in the right direction by engaging Yellow in that initial push. Ritoky has been slightly accusatory against Sqrt, which is in line with Sweetfrost's opinion on Sqrt as well, as shown in the post above. They are slowly building up support against Sqrt to lynch him at a later time it seems to me. My biggest problem with Ritoky though, is how quickly he changed his opinion on Yellow. He first decided that Yellow was likely not Scum when it seemed that pressure had been taken off Yellow. However, when Yellow was pressured again and started piggybacking off of what I said earlier, I think he saw an opportunity to bandwagon people against Yellow. ^Ritoky said this before Yellow got suspicion on him again. His wording here is what throws me off a bit. "I don't think Yellow is scum right now at all." He says this when pressure starts dropping off of yellow. Then, a little later on, Yellow is put back in the spotlight. Eden votes for Yellow, then Ritoky decides to join in by saying he isn't opposed to a lynch. I think he thought that, with other public support against Yellow outside of mafia, he'd be able to bandwagon against Yellow as the first lynch. Here is where he attempts to discredit Sqrt. Tamburini has been desperately trying to kill Yellow way too hard. I mentioned this before and I'll say it again. This sounds like a flimsy excuse to me to lynch someone. Obviously town SHOULD care that they appear townie. You want to try everything possible to stop from getting lynched. Acting town AS A TOWNIE is the best way to accomplish that. He even continues his assault below. I believe Tamburini was trying to get Bunny back on Yellow's case so that she might rally other people in support against Yellow so that he and his group would be able to vote for Yellow with the majority of Town. When dfs comes into the thread and says something against Sqrt, Tamburini says "I like this fellow" and basically nothing else. Once again, he's working one small step at a time to get support against Sqrt with his team. Then he asks dfs what he thinks about Yellow and/or anyone else. He doesn't just say "Can you give more details on anyone?" He makes sure to include Yellow outside of that 'anyone else' so that dfs would be more likely to respond specifically on Yellow. Then, if dfs thought that Yellow was scum, Tamburini would have even more support to lynch Yellow. ------------------------------ I believe that Eden had some good reads to come up with on Yellow (like that he wasn't actively scumhunting) that led to him arriving to vote at Yellow at his own discretion. I still wouldn't classify Eden as scum, but I do disagree with his vote. tldr: I think Tamburini, Ritoky, and Sweetfrost are all scum for a couple of factors. They all want to get rid of Yellow. They've shown distrust in me and Bunny, whom I would consider the most town player here so far. They have cleared each other at different times (Tamburini as an exception, hasn't cleared Ritoky and Sweetfrost, but has been cleared by them). And, they've all shown support against Sqrt as well, which I assume is to lynch him easier down the road. My plan was not to undermine Bunny I'm just trying to question all of these analysis being made and put some pressure on them. The reason I have cleared rikoty as town is that I didn't like that all the focus was on Eden and Yellow and he made good points about sqrt being very pushy and trying to get analysis out of everyone all the times with short provocing posts. I still hold to my opinion that either Yellow or Bunny is scum but not both of them. | ||
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On May 02 2014 03:20 Amiko wrote: My preferred lynches right now is Sweetfrost. Strongest point for Sweetfrost's is probably on reads, which have been contrary to most other players' views and not well explained. The initial suspicion of yell0w seemed fine, but when she says she sees either yell0w or bunnies as scum but not both, it's hard for me to see how she seem to see one as more persuasive than the other. The later vote on sqrt feels underevaluated. The paragraph above has been discussed before, but there is more to support a lynch on sweetfrost. I think Sweetfrost is a suspicious with regard to epishade/ritoky interactions. Sweetfrost clears ritoky for his posting style. That doesn't strike me as that unusual - ritoky had just presented reads that I felt were fairly clearly written. But, > Ritoky reads sqrt read as unusual/odd/difficult to read. Sweetfrost sees sqrt as scum. > Ritoky suspected Epishade. However, when ninjabunnies asked Sweetfrost about epishade being scummy, Sweet disagreed/didn't trust ninjabunnies' (gut)read of epishade as scummy. > Ritoky leaned town on bunnies, and odd on yell0w. Sweetfrost seems to see one of the two (but not both) as scum. This isn't totally inconsistent, but you'd think agreeing would mean considering yell0w the more likely scum. Sweet hasn't talked about many players, so there's not much more to compare. But, for the people she does comment on, it seems suspicious that her Sweetfrost's actions don't seem very aligned with ritoky's reads, which Sweet liked. Basically, I would expect agreement from SweetFrost on some reads, or think SweetFrost would pursue/question Ritoky's scumreads. Since we don't get much of either, looks bad. ##Vote: SweetFrost I do think there is a weak point in a case on SweetFrost - I will probably post it when I get back from lunch. It's better to hold onto for the moment. --- Two side notes: (1) Mysterymeat has given almost no contribution, but I don't see a lynch on him as useful. I would be okay with his lynch as a general lurker policy lynch, but it feels a little unfair - if he is tempbanned, he can't post here so he can't defend himself, can't roleclaim, etc. However, do we actually know when he can post again? If he's going to be unable to talk for any significant part of the game that's going to be an issue... + Show Spoiler + maybe we could get cavalinho to /replace so we could lynch him instead. (2) @all: In the next few hours, votes need to be consolidated. Mafia probably have three or four votes they can use, so to have a significant chance of lynching mafia we need to have town votes move together. If votes are spread out, they are easily manipulated. If you think someone you are voting for is clearly mafia more than the other potential votes, make your case ASAP. But, you need to move to the major wagons and sooner is better. I just came home and it seems it was just in time because I'm set to be lynched in under an hour. I understand the supiscion raised at me and with a post as well written has this I almost feel like voting for myself. But I'm innocent! I have myself to blame for being the prime suspect but I must ask you to reconsider. I have been very passive and trying to figure out which persons reads seems to be the most likley. After studying all of them I explained that I liked Rikoty's the best but I haven't made a lot of independet reads. The reason for this is that I feel like the information is not enough to but everyone in the town/scum bracket. I do however feel, as I explainee earlier, that sqrt's posts have been very provoking and constatly trying to raise supiscion against other players without really adding much, that is why I decided to place my vote on him and it will stay there. I'm not scum, I hope you will change your votes before the hour ends and if I survive I will try to be more active with my reads instead of spending most of the time reading other peoples reads and pointing out what I like/dislike about them. | ||
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On May 02 2014 06:22 Amiko wrote: @Sweetfrost: Things I would like you to comment on: (1) What do you think of tamburini's vigilante claim? (2) Does my post here ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=33#648 ) make you feel differently on sqrt? It's fine if your answer is no, but I want to at least know that you considered it and still wanted to keep your vote on sqrt. (3) dfs also voted for sqrt. Could you give a read of him? 1. I think that tamburini's vigi claim is shocking but true. I makes no sense to role claim vigi as mafia, if he dosne't out his shot this night he will be the #1 suspect so I believe him. 2. Not really, my opinion about him is unchanged. 3. Only 1 minute left, I think I'm dead, sheeit. Should have been quicker. | ||
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