EPTThis seems crazy fun. Irrelevant of balance forced choosing between people brings up a lot of interesting dynamics.
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Tehpoofter
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This seems crazy fun. Irrelevant of balance forced choosing between people brings up a lot of interesting dynamics. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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The only thing I will say about my group is this: I'm fairly new to forums and I feel like I've been read as town by a couple of people in previous games with strong voices like Rayn pretty early on so I think putting my cell in to the first lynch cycle would be a good idea because being new easy town read gives town a 50/50 shot on the first day which is really good odds I think whoever is mayor should be trying to make groups orders based on cases where at least one person in the group is easily read as town and or mafia because we can narrow our odds to a 50/50 or 100% vs a group with say people with less polarized scum /town games | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote: Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum? I don't like this first post by geript his first post of the game is to go out and accuse someone who is in his cell. I find that really scummy because of how this game is setup. Just in general I find it scummy because of how this setup looks to me. He also reaches out to rayn and from what I know of rayn he is a tunneling type player who will push push push for a read so if geript as scum can get town rayn thinking prplhz is already scum right off the bat this is ideal for him. I think he might have been trying to accomplish that. here. This is the exact thing I brought up in my first post about how I think scum would ideally play this game to give them the best chance at winning. @geript do you think my assessment of how the ideal town play to ignore the people in your cell until your lynch day is a good way to force people to read others and make connections is bad? If so can you ignore the others in your group until then? (obviously still get reads and have that ready for your lynch day but until then pretend they're not important to read) | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:08 prplhz wrote: i think it would be a great idea if people mainly focused on their own cell. that doesn't mean that you shouldn't tell the thread if you have reads on other people but if you are unfocused it makes very good sense to look at your own cell simply because you have a 50/50 chance there. I 100% disagree with this line of logic and is probably something I would have said had I been scum. (I thought way too much about this the night after I /ind this game) This is not a good idea because town needs to draw connections day to day and if its 3 people just fighting it out each day then we have to read them right every day whereas if you are forced to connect with people outside your cell we have chances to see things like scum/scum buddying/defending which will never happen if you only focus on your own groups..... prplhz looking scummy off this post. | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:42 LSB wrote: The most important feature of cell mafia is the ability to cull inactive players as soon as possible. This is interesting because this allows the game to maintain a level of activity and analysis demanded for the full duration, rather than it being a game between lurkers at lylo. Activity is very town favored because it is easier to find mafia if everyone has to speak, than throw darts at lurkers. I am going to rank players based on what I remember based on the most recent game in the TL mafia database A - Active Players, solid contributions and good amount of posts IL - Inactive or Lurking players, little thread presence in the last game This raiting is mainly to determine inactivity. Bold is for emphasis I didn't look to hard, but if you had at least 8 pages of posts I considered you active and if you had long posts I counted you as active Cell 1 A - Raynpelikonoshi - Probably the most active player on the forums A - Gumshoe - Active in A quiet game A - Steveling http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/311554-surprisingly-normal-mini-mafia-vii?user=Steveling&page=4 Cell 2 A Holyflare - Active in LXIII IL Tehpoofter - Modkilled for inactivity last game IL mderg - Inactive last game he played. It was 2 years ago http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/309405-werewolves-invade-teamliquid-ii?user=mderg Cell 3 A Palmar - Active in Default Suspicions IL Sentinel - Self admitted inactive and not in for the long haul ? Coagulation - Kushm4sta is active, but Coag can't post his seal. Cell 4 A Balla24 - Active in Default Suspicions A LSB IL Alakaslam - Pretends to be Chez, but never back it up with analysis. Cell 5 A Getmoript - Previous Hydra was active A prplhz - Active in Default supsions A Cephiro - Active in GMB If we go by this we see that Cell 1 and Cell 5 contain all active players. Cell 2 contains two inactive players Cell 3/4 contain at least one inactive player. Based on this, my ideal order would be 2,3,4,5,1. Or 2,3,4,1,5 Ultimentally this data would be best supplimented by seeing day 1 post counts. I like this analysis. I don't know the players in the forum that well aside from maybe 4-5 of you that I've played with know from video mafia. I think that something like this is really good to be thinking about. Just on a note for myself I have played two more games recently than the one you mention where I was mod killed with admittedly low activity(its crazy how much someone like rayn posts) Titanic and currently Dr Who 2 so I would still put myself in the low activity side of things. LSB Do you think my idea for ignoring the people in your own cell and focusing on those outside of it is good? | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On April 02 2014 09:44 getmoript wrote: No. Ideal town play is to evaluate everyone. A strong town read vastly improves odds of hitting scum outside your pod and makes a 100% lynch in pod. Plus it lets you work together more in lynching correctly by getting honest opinions. I agree that if you can get the town read on someone in your group you should do that but I think the point is you should be evaluating publicly the people outside of your group because as scum you could just focus on your two people in the group and muddie up the thread with bs back and forth every day. I feel like today we should be reading everyone else and then each day focus on the cell at hand. I just want to avoid a situation where people focus only on our groups and town has no really good connections to work off. Basically right now you should be making your own notes on a case against people in your cell you think might be scum/town however you want to do it but not really letting those be known but focusing more on reading those outside of your cell because as town you will be making connections with no outside agenda. This makes the game harder for scum because they are forced to make connections they don't want to make and the only way town wins this game is through connections guaranteed. | ||
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Like this post seems to be hes actually reading people: On April 02 2014 07:50 Alakaslam wrote: OH LSB you are the other dude?!?! Crap Well so much for my reads. I townread you both. Crap. and these two posts he trying to extract game relevant info from palmer: On April 02 2014 10:02 Alakaslam wrote: Awesome you didn't leave Palmar can I take your order? On April 02 2014 10:05 Alakaslam wrote: The order of cells I mean + Show Spoiler + This is In-N-Out, we use a number system. 1, 2, or 3? All customizations are up to you. Feel free to ask for anything. He seems to be processing the game at least a little idk maybe I'm just noticing it more through the troll after playing a couple games with him but is this something you read as mafia slam? (His filter is still like 80% gibberish) | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:30 Holyflare wrote: No poofter the best strategy is to find scum. This is easiest in your own cell because if you are town it's between 2 people and then you just find the obvious inconsistencies and mafia behavioural patterns because you 100% know one of them is scum. Just because the mechanics are a little different doesn't mean the underlying principle of finding and lynching mafia have changed. Just find the mafia in the cell and point them out and then move on and find more. Well yeah thats the best scenario and you SHOULD be making connections in your own group for sure like I'm reading you and the mderg guy but I think giving public opinions of your own cell during this day is silly. You should be sharing your views on people outside your cell if you find scum outside they bad ass lets get em boys!! but you should be making those connections public because that is harder for scum to do to openly talk about other group because they might have to talk to their scum teammates or give a strong read on them one way or the other something they would NEVER have to do talking about their own group. Its easy as both alignments to read your own group just find one person who is scummy or super townie and its solved but that doesn't help the rest of town. Inherently we have a 66% chance of lynching wrong each day and we have 5 days so if we random lynched every day we lose so building connections outside of your own group is important. The summary of the plan Scum hunt outside your group openly and scum hunt inside your group privately until its your lynch day then bring it all out so that mafia has a harder time not connecting with their team. | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:42 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Tehpoofter yes he is scum. Also Balla looks town and LSB looks okayish (but then again i have really hard time understanding LSB usually in games so maybe this means he is supertown). ~rayn I liked LSB's overview of the analysis of players expected postings cause I don't know everyone so that was townie to me going to check out Balla last time I played with him was the beacon of towniness, going to go check out their filters and see what shows up. As for Slam I'll toss him in probably scummy pile. Also side note your assessment we should lynch the auto scum first is 100% correct and I don't understand why gum was arguing differently. We have more time to assess the people who we don't read well. Like one of them is scum and they will either have to bus the auto scum or try to save them both of which put them in a position where they have to talk about their teammates which is super awkward as scum (THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD ALL BE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE OUTSIDE OUR CELLS TODAY!!) | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:49 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Drop this line of thinking right now. For other people they need to read 3 people in your group to find 1 mafia. For you you need to read only 2 people. You have advantage if you are town. If you share your thoughts on your cell aswell it gives other people a better read on you, which makes it easier for them to read you. Reads like "well this dude is town so this other dude must be scum" are shit and not worth sharing because it hinges on you being town and other people do not know if you are town or not, but legit reads. Always share. Makes my work solving the game much easier. ~rayn I will read my group and am reading my group but posting about it today I find useless and if you don't want to do that thats your prerogative but I think its an awesome idea and I'm going to do it either way cause I think its way more townie to do so. I will give my reads come cell 2 lynch day. | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:52 Holyflare wrote: Cba, type out the names for me? Slam, who and who? Slam, gum, and geript? maybe mderg if he agrees with you. | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:54 Holyflare wrote: Comment on what you think of mdergs. You just said we should auto lynch 100% scum and your read on him weighs into that. I will not be commenting on what I think you or mderg's alignment is until its day 2's lynch day. I'm looking for scum elsewhere. | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:56 getmoript wrote: God Rayn you are like super fucking infuriating when you don't listen to me. Like I don't really care what your alignment is right now but I'm not going to listen to your scum reads anymore. Like you half bother explaining them and then you always ignore me just like you did on Toad. The sad thing is I'm pretty sure Palmer's going to phone it in and the you and HF are going to drive town into the dirt. Like I'm not sure that you're scum but regardless of your alignment what you're doing is a real dick move and I don't appreciate it. What about his scum reads don't you like? I thought you agreed with his Slam read? Do you not like his gumshoe read? If so why? If you're town telling rayn how pissed you are at him doesn't do much good attack his case if you disagree otherwise this post just looks fluffy to me. | ||
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On April 02 2014 11:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote: If poofer refuses to contribute to HF/mderg's alignment your group goes first. ~rayn I'm fine with that and honestly think its a good idea and stated so in my first post. It really bugs me you don't see my logic. This is the same thing like when I was talking about the lynch at the end of the Titanic game maybe I'm completely wrong but I like my idea. I'll explain it one last time, if I were scum all I would have to do is just read my own group over and over maybe get in a yelling match with a town in my group over days at a time spend it calling him scum and comment on nothing else so even if I do get flipped as scum I never commented on anyone else in my scum team and town would have gotten one scum but have no real leads from my end as to who to go on next. Where as if I am commenting the first day on people outside my group then get into a match like that on my lynch day I have left behind bread crumbs to find the rest of my scum team. Like this seems simple to me, I'm not saying I'm not scum hunting my group just that you shouldn't scum hunt your group (cause as multiple people have pointed out its the easiest place to read!) publicly the first day but other groups so there is forced connections. | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:42 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Tehpoofter yes he is scum. Also Balla looks town and LSB looks okayish (but then again i have really hard time understanding LSB usually in games so maybe this means he is supertown). ~rayn I decided since I was wrong about slam in the titanic game and rayn was very quickly able to determine his alignment as town and I read rayn as town I was going to put him in my leaning scum pile because I feel rayn has more experience and better accuracy than me at reading slam. Also I'm still reading you guys filters Finished yours and reading LSB now. | ||
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On April 02 2014 11:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I am also going to say this last time poofer and i try to be as clear as possible. What you are doing is this: You are refusing to comment on the part of the game where it is statistically easiest for you to find mafia if you are town (and therefore prove your townieness) and where it's the hardest for you to hide if you are mafia. Can you see why it's scummy? ~rayn Well I disagree I see if I refused to give them ever that it would be scummy but thats fine I'm moving on and reading the slam/LSB/Balla cell now. | ||
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On April 02 2014 11:43 Balla24 wrote: If you have many people telling you what you are doing is wrong, shouldn't that tell you that you are probably wrong? You need to comment on your cell as soon as you get the chance to, and since you have been "taking notes on your cell" it should be easy for you to do so. Furthermore, why do you disagree with what rayn just said? I disagree that temporarily holding back your ideas is scummy but I do agree never telling is scummy. (Mainly I had this idea that if i got scum I'd just tunnel my own group and do nothing else and I wanted to avoid letting people do that as mafia and this sounded like a good way to do it so I'm probably just arguing cause I want my idea to be right) But after reading your filter you do seem more town like when we played that Newbie game forever ago with posts like this one: On April 02 2014 04:50 Balla24 wrote: Neither does your post. What exactly is the point of it? Are you calling sentinel scum because he is "claiming town"? I had highlighted that post by mderg in my normal read through and your comment I agree that his non conclusion on Sentinal is really weird like he wants to paint him as scum without actually using those words. Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town. I like that you seemed to on the same thought chain as me here. So atm in my cell I'm leaning HF=town and Mderg=scum. As far as your filter what do you read on slam Balla? Do you read him like rayn based off tone? | ||
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