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We are all newbies here, so if you fuck up or say something dumb, don't play the "oh sorry, I am new I didn't know". Seuss is our confirmed town, we should try to organize around him. For a day 1 lynch, I think lynching some1 innactive is the best way to go. Having innactive players around just give mafia the opportunity to sit back and do nothing while town runs around screaming at each other. So give information about yourself if you can, so that others will be able to read you easy. My stance this early is easy: I will vote for people that post nothing worthy or nothing at all, unless some1 slips. I am also more likely to vote for people that say suspicious stuff and then say "sorry I didn't know I am new" | ||
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I took the opportunity of the first post to basically say "game started, don't hide behind your inexperience and post". For town to win we need 2 thing: - Get everyone active - Organize around our confirmed towny Seuss @nyxnyxnyx: Care to explain why you trust Odin? Him being so hyper posty makes me nervous but he actually present points for us to discuss on, which creates discussion and is therefore good for town. It is weird to me at least that you come in, decide to side with odin even thought we have a confirmed townie. | ||
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And the I read istandwithmitt's post and I'm like wtf. He voted for me at the beginning and I thought it was alright, aggressive play-style pointing fingers early to get some heat and get the discussion going, but then instead of making use of it he just go silent. And now this switcharoo vote with no explanation and abrasive behavior? | ||
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No suggestion to make town active? By saying people that don't contribute will be put on the chopping block, you indirectly put pressure on them and you give something to talk about. It's either this or proposing RNG, which Odin did. Organizing around you: yes, you will probably die day 1, it is no big deal. I don't think we can make a late game plan for the rest of the game centering around some1. In my opinion it's better to get structure even if it is only for the first day than none at all. You are the only confirmed town, if you can direct the conversation like you are trying to do in that last post then we will be on a good road for the rest of the game, whether you're alive or not. My nyxnyxnyx distrust: Yo I am town, I feel alone, I have no clue who is who. So I am here trying to figure out who looks mafia, there comes nyxnyxnyx saying he will blindly follow Odin... Like if it was me, I would never do that, there are so many factors and I don't want to be that guy that got fooled by the mafia on his first game. So yeah it looks very weird to me, especially because of how apologetic everything is in his post. My lack of content: It is true, I guess I focused more on trying to get other people to talk than to actually say what I think so there it is; You put July617 as your other strongest tell, I just find it odd that you don't include Vonthin in it too. For me they are basically the same person right now, they don't like the RNG solution and are waiting for more stuff to happen before deciding their vote. I don't like it because it doesn't help anyone to not share what you think and waiting for others to do the talking. Again back at my I don't like innactives thingy. I honestly don't feel them particularly suspicious although i get more nervous with every hour that passes where they haven't posted. That's what I have on the topics that you put and I think should be focused on. Now since I will leave in an hour or so I will leave the hightest ranked persons on my personal scumlist: number 1; and I feel a bit dirty about agreeing with mitt: playerboy345. It appears to me that the only talks about inconcecuential things: RNG proposition and E00e's miss use of words (the cop thing) number 2; onlywonderboy. Just absolute nothingness, honestly I think he has said even less than july. I'm not too sure how to express it but, all of what he says is merely looking at the problem, saying "yeah it can be either that or that" and ending on that. "organizing is fine, but if you are mistaken it will be bad" "lynching lurkers is cool, but so is lynching suspicious persons" "he could be scum.. or not" "mitt is making a bad play for his team, whether it's town or mafia" nyxnyxnyx for reasons I explained above, but to reiterate I am unable to trust anyone on day 1 if he's not 100% confirmed. And again I will say it, if nyx really wants to trust someone, there's the confirmed town right here before his eyes, why not take it instead of making a leap of faith? | ||
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Mitt to me looks like a third party role: a serial killer. What I think is he took the power to be immune to alignment checks, so now he plays extremely over the top mafia so we really don't feel comfortable lynching him, but since his cop check is going to be town he gets the free pass to play bad town, not help with anything and do his business at night. He has no problem pointing fingers at everyone with reasoning because for him he doesn't need one. Everyone is his enemy so he is happy with anyone dying. His last voting for himself move looks to me like a very bad martyr play. I might be totally mistaken but this is how I see it, he plays in a way that is horrible for town if he is town, and horrible for mafia if he is mafia; I want to think there's more to this. Vonthin looks scummier by the hour, he jumps on the mitt's ship, gets called out on it then backtracks. To go for a ??? vote on nyxnyxnyx. So I will say it, as you guys know I think nyxnyxnyx looks scummy. But how in hell would you go from a mitt vote to a nyx vote? it just doesn't makes sense, I feel like nyx is a direct downgrade to mitt in term of voting: they both don't say shit of any sort and make weird decision. Only that mitt looks completly crazy and nyx just looks lost. At this point in time I hightly doubt we will get more info out of a nyx lynch than the few that we get from a mitt lynch, so yeah, it is not the fact that he votes for nyx that bothers me, it's the fact that he unvotes mitt to go to nyx, and saying he switched because he wants more information, which is a direct contradiction with his vote. We still have some time, Vonthin is under heavy fire and I hope he posts a good defense, july and onlywonderboy haven't say jack shit, nyx is still useless. ##Vote: istandwithmitt I explained my serial killer theory, even if I'm all up to kill scum, a killer going rampage in our town is one more kill at night. It is a role against town and lowering the amounts of deaths as soon as day 1 is too much tempting of an offer. And even if he isn't serial killer, he looks at least 70% mafia to me. If you guys think the serial killer theory is dumb and you'd rather focus votes on people that will give info I will change my vote. What I'd really like is to see: Vonthin making a defense, Istandwithmitt making a real defense. July answering to Seuss interogations and onlywonderboy's toughts. | ||
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Also you switched your vote to Vonthin from mitt. Do you believe mitt is not mafia? Or do you keep him in your mafia zone but want to get info from somewhere else today? Is it going to be the same day 2, what about the rest of the game? | ||
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##Vote July617 TBH Vonthin looks like a really good lynch candidate, I already said what i tough about him in my last post, but all my suspicion comes from his latest posts in the thread. On the other hand July617 still hasn't said anything worthwhile, and is looking to slip under suspicion because of the huge Vonthin vote train. So if the discussion is to get centered around those I'd like July617 to get some more heat so the vote gets to an actual meaningful decision, and not just a bandwagon vote. I don't really understand why you think these two are linked together tho, the only interaction between those 2 is that they've both been against RNG votes. I'm not saying they're not both mafia, I'm just curious about the interaction mechanism you see between them. | ||
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I'll switch my vote now in case i don't make it back it time. ##unvote ##Vote: Vonthin Didn't realize day 1 was ending this soon, so I agree we just don't have time to gather enough steam. He looks like a solid lynch, already talked about it in an earlier post. | ||
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but let's keep positive, and try to read the info we get from that. Votes for end of day 1: Vonthin (6): Bereft, playerboy345, Seuss, nyxnyxnyx, onlywonderboy, SagaZ I guess there is some mafia in this vote participant, so the people here should be under some scrutiny. Aside from Seuss from this group, my strongest town read is Bereft. Even though Vonthin was a miss lynch, his reasoning looked strong and prevented the mitt super band wagon. My strongest scum reads: nyx and onlywonderboy. I have said it and will repeat it, they give us absolutely nothing to work with and jump on the easy lynch train. Still looks mafia but less than the 2 above: playerboy345, less than the others for the sole reason that he gave a bit more to work with. Again, what I really really hate about his posts is how hard he goes on E00e for what E00e said (which looked like an honest newby mistake to me). He says talking about blues is a big nono this early in the game (which is perfectly resonable) but then he proceed so damn hard on it that at this point he's been the one talking about it more than the rest. I also don't like the timing of his post, after Seuss brough some order to the town discussion by asking to focus on me and july, player comes in and repeat his grief on E00e. Looks a bit like he was trying to sidetrack the discussion to me. He still reads less scummy than the 2 above to me, honestly what I say about the timing might be absolutly nothing and just how his timezone works. My post looks dedicated to him because I think I already made my view on wonderboy and nyx in my earlier post but not really on him. I think there is a good chance to be like 1 or 2 scums in the people that voted Vorthin. So from my perspective, I'd really like to hear nyxnyxnyx, onlywonderboy and player345. Because right now I'd feel comfortable going for either of those. Bereft's toughs would be good too, especially cause so far he has been helping the town I think. And to end on a side note, how does everyone stands on mitt now? Cause I am now very fking confused... | ||
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About Templar. He started the game by expressing suspicion on a supposed interaction between me and mitt, I think it was a bit far fetched but still made some sense at that time, however after mitt went crazy and started pointing fingers at everyone I think his reasoning doesn't hold ground anymore. What was important for me when I read it at the time is this: at that time we were swimming between my stance on inactive, Odin's idea of RNG vote, and mitt's first vote without explanation. He was pretty much the first one to propose something different from all these topics that quite frankly were going into circles. In the middle, he went for mitt as soon as mitt made his second accusation, and second post of the game. I am pretty sure it was a big WTF moment for everyone, for me it was at least. Templar immediately sees a scum tell and jumps into him. That is good in my opinion, but everyone did the same, and even if he had not started it, I'm pretty sure someone else would have. Then he goes silent for a while, he comes back to gives a piece of his mind and stick with mitt's vote. Honestly at this point, the day was pretty much over, he gave his reasons to lynch mitt, while the wagon to go for Vonthin was pretty much established. Him staying on mitt or going to Vonthin doesn't speak alot to me. You say your 2 situations are very similar, and it is true, you are the 2 left on the mitt train. If I had to pick between the 2 of you I'd pick you, my reason is simple: timing of the posts. You were active when Seuss takes the town in hand and ask the situation to be shifted to me and you. You say you think mitt is town, albeit a very bad one but is an easy lynch and that there are better lynchs out there. But you'd like more information before deciding yourself. OK, there is obviously no substance to a post that says he would rather wait until something happens. It is careful, it looks ok. Some time passes, decent amount of posting goes and now Seuss calls you out for not posting. And finally there it is BOOM, vote mitt. your last post said specifically that you tough there were better lynches, so definetly something changed. But you don't seem to care enough to share with us. So it is a direct contradiction with what you said just before. Timing wise, you are here and active when Seuss asks to focus votes on either you or Vonthin, but you proceed to just martyr yourself. You don't even address the contradictions that Seuss points. Lucky for you, the Vonthin train is at full speed and there is no time to put some serious heat onto you. Now; Vonthin turned out green, so it gives you some credibility as a town. I kind of disagree with Seuss about how this makes you inocent all of a sudden. You were in no real danger to die day 1, so sticking on the mitt bandwagon or hoping onto the Vonthin one doesn't really change anything. So yeah, you two don't vote for the misslynch, that give you some town credit in my eyes. But what really bothers me is that you were present during the endgame discussion, that you could see Seuss trying to focus the attention so we would get maximum information from the lynches and you didn't do shit about it. I am not even sure about what you mean with this slipping under the radar thing. I think absolutely no one should fly off anyone's radar, I'm sure people are still suspicious of me, I am still suspicious of all too. Even my town reads I will still be careful with how they post. I'll be on my toes for the whole game, you can count on that. sorry this is long, tl;dr: - I am undecided on Templar, him not voting Vonthin gives him town cred just like you, but the timing of his posts doesn't give me alot to work with. - I think that at that point in the game, he could have switched his vote and it would have had no consequence. Obviously,in retrospect now that we know Vonthin was town, I'd rather have mitt dead and vonthin alive than the other way around, but that's cheating. - I don't think I fly under the radar of suspicion, and that this is a weird question. - I also think it's good to stay on our toes, but I also think that you stay too much on yours. Be it about trusting or distrusting people you seem to be on the fence for everyone. Time is a resource for us, we can't wait forever for thing to happen. | ||
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People that voted for the miss lynch are suspicious, there should be at least one mafia, possibly two. If I take myself and seuss from that group (I am explaining my toughs, so this is of course from my perspective) among those people we have Bereft, Nyxnyxnyx, Onlywonderboy and Player345. Are you honestly trying to say that you think that Bereft is more suspicious than Nyx at this point? Or more than Onlywonderboy? the 2 guys that haven't really said anything. More suspicious than player345? maybe you have a different point of view than mine and maybe you see things differently, but I highly doubt that there are 3 or more mafias in this vote group, so therefore, from my perspective Bereft looks town. Of course I am not going to sheep on him like nyx did with Odin... Just that I might be more inclined to roll with plans if they come from him. And before you twist my words, of course Seuss takes priority planning wise. I'd say that If Seuss is 100% town, for me Bereft looks like a 75% | ||
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First of all the night kills. I am not as sure as you guys that mafia killed odin and SK killed player... I agree Odin was killed by mafia, but that looks like a horrible plan when Bereft is still in game, maybe they were fishing for blue idk? Odin was against nyx and july, but drawing conclusion from that is way too obvious... I'm pretty sure it's something else but I can't grasp it. SK killed player, why? I tough player looked mafia so I hope it is because SK was fishing for mafia. I will adress Seus post now. I think you are mistaken in some aspects. First of all me being mafia; I think I have been very transparent with my actions, of I still look like mafia then I don't really know what to do. I don't know what you mean by sucking up to you, you are the confirmed town, I was doing my best to follow your train of toughs when you gave town a direction, which we lacked at that point. My voting on day 1 may look confusing, my vote on mitt was not an actual sheep vote, I pushed a SK theory (more on that later) and wanted to see what others tough about it. Then you specifically asked to change votes from him, and I pushed onto July cause frankly at that point Vonthin was looking like a bandwagon, just like mitt was earlier. Finally since there was no steam I went with Vonthin to be absolutely sure we wouldn't see a swing in votes to mitt. I've been on the nyx train since he posted his sheeping on Odin, and I still am. I tough that player was very scummy for going very hard on a minor mistake. I didn't particularly tried to defend E00e with it. Now I disagree completely with your town reads on July and Onlywonderboy. July I gave my reasons before, there was huge contradiction and I don't think him not jumping trains really make up for it. And Onlywonderboy, I mean how on earth does this guy looks town to anyone? Has been sitting on the fence for everything day 1, only said he tough mitt was a bad town and hopped into vonthin. he's been practically just say yes seuss nice work, i agree the whole game and more recently is posting that SK shot Odin and mafia shot player??? I don't know if I'm crazy or what but that looks so scummy to me. Nyx looks downright scum and not SK to me, sheeping onto some1 has a SK doesn't seem very right since he has no clue who that person alignment is, mafia on the other hand... Also you put GGtemplar on your town list, the majority of his activity has been today, and he looks like the only person trying to bring activity to the town, that is good to me. But on the other hand, I really dislike how he is drawing these sub clans on the town, saying this is circle 1, this circle 2. I wouldn't be so quick to see him as town. Lastly and this is important, I want to bring back the mitt is SK that I stated on day 1. This is how I see it: Assuming SK takes cop immunity, he has to appear town enough so he doesn't get lynched, but town enough so he can bait a cop check and doesn't get shot by mafia at night. And mitt is extremely fitting the model. Now after the close lynch he had to play a bit more town. SK killed player IMO, and player was the only one to read and comment on my SK theory when I proposed it, even if he thinks it's wrong, he tough about it enough to post about it, he can't shoot me cause that would make it too apparent, but he can shoot the only guy that tough about it. I recognize that this is a deep play that involves mitt not backing off his stance while he was on the frying pan and pull trough, and also that thing about player might be just smoke. But for some reason it makes sense to me, maybe I am trying too hard to find sense in player's death and mitt's early game play style. | ||
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I accused you of not saying anything constructive, and being the yes man of seuss to appeal to him. this last post you give us: You're suspicious of me, the only one that makes a case about you. you hope to get info, nice. you jump on the nyx train. and you go back to seuss said that so he has to be right. At this point I can't understand how you do it to slip under the radar so well, but maybe this will get some concrete posts from you: ##Vote onlywonderboy | ||
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