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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 03:17:03
September 21 2013 02:01 GMT
#1
I remember 6 months ago when MLG was organizing the WCS America. It started really badly with a poorly handled qualifier. Not only the problems with the Chinese players but the casting and their will to hide the results so they could cast the matches later. So many people was wondering why it was MLG doing that and not NASL, how NASL was so much better at doing online tournament, etc.

Starting season 2, MLG was replaced by NASL and everyone was so happy.

So today, there was the first qualifier for WCS America Challenger Season 3. There are only 2 streams with casters : Eggi and... MLG. NASL? nope, nothing. No news from them and they didn't even say a word about casting the best matches later (at least, I didn't see anything on their website and on their twitter, they just spam a link to buy tickets for the WCS finals in Toronto)

Not only they don't cast anything, the official bracket ( http://binarybeast.com/xSC21308234 ) is private and so, not available for public. (message is : Results are currently private and not yet available for public viewing).

At the time I am writing, it is still on, I think they are at the RO16, and since the top 4 qualify, that means there are only 2 rounds left. And yet, there is no way to know who played this qualifier, if there was any upset or who is close to qualify to the Challenger League of WCS.

So, is this how NASL now deals with the WCS America?

edit :

On September 21 2013 12:10 Dark.Carnival wrote:
So far it has been a major disappointment in how the tournament was advertised and how they ran it today.

It almost went by unnoticed except for a few posts on reddit when NASL released the information for sign-ups about a week ago. But NASL didn't announce it on reddit or teamliquid as far as I know. The WCS website had a couple news posts about it but again nothing was posted to community sites.

First qualifier was today and it was a bit of a mess. Only 135 people signed up since there was very little advertisement but they still kept their "schedule" that said ro512 would start 12pm PDT. Since there were so few sign-ups there was no ro512 so the vast majority of us were online at 12pm thinking the schedule would be moved up only to find out they didn't want us to play until the scheduled time. ro256 was at 1:30pm PDT and ro128 was at 3:00pm PDT.

Other issues are there was only ONE admin, and he was often not replying to questions probably due to being messaged by everyone. There was a check-in required 30mins before your match that you had to do by messaging this one admin and waiting for a reply. If your opponent wasn't there or afk you were supposed to tell the admin, who eventually went through every no-show by asking in chat for them to reply to him. For the ro128 this was done before 3pm PDT and lead to several people getting walked over despite returning in time for the match at 3pm PDT. As far as I could tell the one admin wasn't able to get to everyone having issues so a lot of walkovers went unresolved.

Next issue; map pool. The maps are the same as the ladder but there was zero information on starting maps or if there was a veto system. After messaging the admin to check in for the ro128 he gave out the maps which were randomly selected by him (or someone). They were set maps for each game so no vetoing or loser picks. The funny part is in the very next round for the maps the starting map was chosen again by the admin but it became loser picks for no reason. The lack of information regarding the map rules also lead to some people ignoring the admin and doing vetoes for map picks anyway.

Overall it was probably one of the worst qualifiers for an important tournament I've been in or seen, and probably the worst WCS qualifier for all three seasons. To sum up the problems; lack of advertising it, lack of information, poor scheduling and only one admin. Hopefully the qualifier on the 24th is ran better but I'm not getting my hopes up D:

For information on the next qualifer; http://nasl.tv/News/Article/20130914wcs-america-season-3-qualifier-information

Qualifier 2
12pm PDT on September 24 - Registration opens
12pm PDT on September 27 - Registration closes
12pm PDT on September 28 - Tournament begins (I assume ro512 same as todays)

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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 21 2013 02:10 GMT
#2
I had zero info on this so I couldn't premake OPs or anything. In fact I didn't even know this was today ?_?
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dWarreN
Profile Joined May 2013
117 Posts
September 21 2013 02:11 GMT
#3
*Sighs* Why can't anyone get WCS right? Like, ESL and then theirs is everyone else's shit. Maybe 2014... then again, we have been saying maybe next time for 3 seasons now..
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
September 21 2013 02:11 GMT
#4
On September 21 2013 11:10 lichter wrote:
I had zero info on this so I couldn't premake OPs or anything. In fact I didn't even know this was today ?_?

I am really confused as well. I don't think there were even any sign ups for the brackets to begin with, mighta just been all private/invite only
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 02:13:03
September 21 2013 02:11 GMT
#5
I had no idea this was today and only found out just after it started.
On September 21 2013 11:11 Smurfett3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2013 11:10 lichter wrote:
I had zero info on this so I couldn't premake OPs or anything. In fact I didn't even know this was today ?_?

I am really confused as well. I don't think there were even any sign ups for the brackets to begin with, mighta just been all private/invite only

No it was signup
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 21 2013 02:13 GMT
#6
I didn't even know WCS KR Quals were tomorrow until a few seconds ago haha
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EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
September 21 2013 02:13 GMT
#7
On September 21 2013 11:11 NovemberstOrm wrote:
I had no idea this was today and only found out just after it started.
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2013 11:11 Smurfett3 wrote:
On September 21 2013 11:10 lichter wrote:
I had zero info on this so I couldn't premake OPs or anything. In fact I didn't even know this was today ?_?

I am really confused as well. I don't think there were even any sign ups for the brackets to begin with, mighta just been all private/invite only

No it was signup

where were the signups? And signup info? Can you provide a link?
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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 02:15:27
September 21 2013 02:14 GMT
#8
here was the different news :
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/qualifiers-open-for-wcs-europe-and-america
http://nasl.tv/News/Article/20130914wcs-america-season-3-qualifier-information
http://nasl.tv/News/Article/20130916registration-open-for-wcs-america-season-3-qualifier-1

but nothing at all on TL (except in the topic "This Week in Starcraft 2" done by Juicyjames)
On September 21 2013 11:13 lichter wrote:
I didn't even know WCS KR Quals were tomorrow until a few seconds ago haha

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=428553
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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
September 21 2013 02:18 GMT
#9
Well, it seems Tassadar made it to the top 4 (and so to WCS challenger). Who did he beat? I have no fucking clue cause there is no bracket.
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
September 21 2013 02:20 GMT
#10
It's pretty sad this sort of thing still happens for season three.
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
September 21 2013 02:21 GMT
#11
On September 21 2013 11:18 Yhamm wrote:
Well, it seems Tassadar made it to the top 4 (and so to WCS challenger). Who did he beat? I have no fucking clue cause there is no bracket.


he beat aphrodite to get there (that's what they said on mlg stream)

but yeah this is pretty dumb to keep the bracket private still...i didn't even know she participated/got that far
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 21 2013 02:21 GMT
#12
I just don't get why we can't see the bracket, the most plausible thing is that they want to cast the replays of some of the games....
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JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
September 21 2013 02:26 GMT
#13
On September 21 2013 11:21 NovemberstOrm wrote:
I just don't get why we can't see the bracket, the most plausible thing is that they want to cast the replays of some of the games....


I think they are. Didn't the MLG stream do some other stuff while Axslav play his qualifier games?
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 02:27:23
September 21 2013 02:26 GMT
#14
On September 21 2013 11:13 lichter wrote:
I didn't even know WCS KR Quals were tomorrow until a few seconds ago haha

Yes I just found this out about 2 hours ago. It seems like the qualifiers were much less advertised than in previous seasons. I also don't understand why the brackets are being hidden in the WCS AM qualifiers. Pretty much means making a thread is useless because you don't know any of the results so I guess there's not really anything you can do for that. I guess for AM they'll just have to rely on the TL News posting of the results like they usually do but if I'm around I can probably host the Code A qualifier thread unless someone else wants to do it
On September 21 2013 11:26 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2013 11:21 NovemberstOrm wrote:
I just don't get why we can't see the bracket, the most plausible thing is that they want to cast the replays of some of the games....


I think they are. Didn't the MLG stream do some other stuff while Axslav play his qualifier games?

I tuned in briefly and I heard them say something about showing the finals or final rounds or something on Monday I believe
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Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
September 21 2013 02:27 GMT
#15
On September 21 2013 11:26 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2013 11:21 NovemberstOrm wrote:
I just don't get why we can't see the bracket, the most plausible thing is that they want to cast the replays of some of the games....


I think they are. Didn't the MLG stream do some other stuff while Axslav play his qualifier games?


They actually streamed him playing and casting the qualifier games at the same time.
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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
September 21 2013 02:29 GMT
#16
I opened a topic for the KR qualifier 2 weeks ago (just to say the dates), no-one cared

anyway, if NASL hides the bracket to cast game later, why don't they say so? why don't they communicate at all?
MLG wanted to do that for 1st season and few days ago they apologized on how it was a really bad idea to hide results to the community. and now NASL would do the exact same thing?
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Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
September 21 2013 02:31 GMT
#17
If they're going to save games to cast from replay, why do they announce results for unaired game on stream? :S
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 02:34:57
September 21 2013 02:33 GMT
#18
On September 21 2013 11:31 Iodem wrote:
If they're going to save games to cast from replay, why do they announce results for unaired game on stream? :S

That's on the MLG stream not from NASL. No idea what's going on there.
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
September 21 2013 02:35 GMT
#19
On September 21 2013 11:26 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2013 11:21 NovemberstOrm wrote:
I just don't get why we can't see the bracket, the most plausible thing is that they want to cast the replays of some of the games....


I think they are. Didn't the MLG stream do some other stuff while Axslav play his qualifier games?

MLG stream was casting others play while Axslav waited.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 02:54:51
September 21 2013 02:42 GMT
#20
desrow 1 game away

AND HE DID ITTTT
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