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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 03 2013 02:15 GMT
#1788
I forgot my password for the smurf account, tried to password reset, then forgot the email account associated with it.



Oh well
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 03 2013 13:07 GMT
#1814
On September 03 2013 19:59 marvellosity wrote:
Tutan is thrawn? I didn't see that one coming.

because now I can't help attaching overall opinions of thrawn to his posts.


yeah i was worried about that
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 03 2013 13:16 GMT
#1816
On September 03 2013 22:10 yamato77 wrote:
Thrawn, what do you think of a Hapa/Slam/Sn0 scumteam?


I buy a slam/sn0 team but hapa? Why not marv? hapa pretty townie during last bits of D2 imo

sn0 is probably the one i'm most "confident" about. i gave him a pass for a dumb 3 word phrase and have yet to even think about his existence in this game until just now

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:06 GMT
#2018
alright i'm back
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:07 GMT
#2020
hapa, yamato, rayn

I won't lynch any of them today.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:14 GMT
#2022
On September 05 2013 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 08:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, yamato, rayn

I won't lynch any of them today.


Why the particularly strong feelings on Yamato?


As scum I think he'd be fucking off right about now. The way he's handling a situation where town is nearly fucked is very town-yamato-ish.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:21 GMT
#2025
On September 05 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, yamato, rayn

I won't lynch any of them today.


Why the particularly strong feelings on Yamato?


As scum I think he'd be fucking off right about now. The way he's handling a situation where town is nearly fucked is very town-yamato-ish.


To play devil's advocate, he really hasn't been all that present in the thread all game.

Also, town-yamato-ish is much more active than what he's doing right now. In what ways does his specific behaviors point to his townie persona?


Him not being active is part of that read. As town I've seen him mess around until town is screwed, then come back to the thread acting as if he's going to be the one to solve the game.

Yeah the recent activity is not as much as I remember it being in past games, but overall his approach to the game feels much more like town than scum yamato, so much that he's not an acceptable D3 lynch.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:40 GMT
#2030
On September 05 2013 08:24 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 08:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, yamato, rayn

I won't lynch any of them today.


Why the particularly strong feelings on Yamato?


As scum I think he'd be fucking off right about now. The way he's handling a situation where town is nearly fucked is very town-yamato-ish.


To play devil's advocate, he really hasn't been all that present in the thread all game.

Also, town-yamato-ish is much more active than what he's doing right now. In what ways does his specific behaviors point to his townie persona?


Him not being active is part of that read. As town I've seen him mess around until town is screwed, then come back to the thread acting as if he's going to be the one to solve the game.

Yeah the recent activity is not as much as I remember it being in past games, but overall his approach to the game feels much more like town than scum yamato, so much that he's not an acceptable D3 lynch.


So you have 3 unacceptable lynches (of which I believe you all think are town-reads), you yourself will maintain that you're town.

That probably leaves 3 scum of the next 4 players. Who's your scumteam? Or if that's too specific, who are you leaning strongest scum on? Who are you wavering the most on?


Yep, currently looking at marv, sno, onegu, and sylencia.

I really don't know who I'd pick as town from that group. I would be completely for lynching onegu had he not made that post about pms. I'm having trouble seeing why he would post that as mafia and I *might* say he's my most confident town read. Syl I just haven't read in awhile. Sno said some pretty scummy things earlier which I'm going to get to in a later post. Marv has been giving me increasingly worrying feelings all game and I think he and Sno are who I'd be most confident with lynching. It's unnerving when marv is alive at what seems to be mylo and has not been targeted by kp or anything yet. I'm paranoid about how he was soft-pushing my Onegu case during D2. He was supportive of it as far as saying that it was a good case but I never got the feeling that he really cared to help me push it. I have yet to go through syl's stuff so I'll make a case on my top one or two lynch candidates after I've done that. Right now those are marv/sn0.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:47 GMT
#2032
[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:42 Hapahauli wrote:
Some nitpicking:

[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:24 Hapahauli wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 05 2013 08:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, yamato, rayn

I won't lynch any of them today. [/QUOTE]

Why the particularly strong feelings on Yamato?[/QUOTE]

As scum I think he'd be fucking off right about now. The way he's handling a situation where town is nearly fucked is very town-yamato-ish.
[/QUOTE]

To play devil's advocate, he really hasn't been all that present in the thread all game.

Also, town-yamato-ish is much more active than what he's doing right now. In what ways does his specific behaviors point to his townie persona?[/QUOTE]

Him not being active is part of that read. As town I've seen him mess around until town is screwed, then come back to the thread acting as if he's going to be the one to solve the game.

Yeah the recent activity is not as much as I remember it being in past games, but overall his approach to the game feels much more like town than scum yamato, so much that he's not an acceptable D3 lynch.[/QUOTE]

So you have 3 unacceptable lynches (of which I believe you all think are town-reads), you yourself will maintain that you're town.

That probably leaves 3 scum of the next 4 players. Who's your scumteam? Or if that's too specific, who are you leaning strongest scum on? Who are you wavering the most on?[/QUOTE]

Yep, currently looking at marv, sno, onegu, and sylencia.

I really don't know who I'd pick as town from that group. I would be completely for lynching onegu had he not made that post about pms. I'm having trouble seeing why he would post that as mafia and I *might* say he's my most confident town read.[/Quote]

Explain please?

Because what he did was essentially cheating which is a pretty townie action in my experience.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:49 GMT
#2034
On September 02 2013 23:24 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk?


onegu


TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn?

As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)?

Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either..

That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu?



Ok I sent a PM to the hosts and syl (hope thats not illegal/cheating) if I could talk about FT in P4 when we talking about I have never seen his scum play, and since at the time he hadnt flipped and the game wasnt over they told me I couldnt. But now that the game is over I have seen FT play scum, it had no resemblence to this game, but my main point about his meta with me was I have seen him play lurky town in GoT and in that game he still made reads on people just not many, and when he came back he defended himself and posted his reads for his post death flip, he did none of those things this game. While sounding like a broken record, his meta wasnt the only reason I voted for him. His play and lack of interest was also scummy. He deserved to die and I would have done it again because he was playing scummy and against his meta.

The only thing I said to syl in the PM was can I talk about FT in persona, and his answer was no, the game is ongoing. Sorry if this is against the rules or cheating. I just wanted to know if I could talk about it.


right hurr
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2013 23:55 GMT
#2037
On September 05 2013 08:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 08:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 02 2013 23:24 Onegu wrote:
On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk?


onegu


TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn?

As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)?

Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either..

That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu?



Ok I sent a PM to the hosts and syl (hope thats not illegal/cheating) if I could talk about FT in P4 when we talking about I have never seen his scum play, and since at the time he hadnt flipped and the game wasnt over they told me I couldnt. But now that the game is over I have seen FT play scum, it had no resemblence to this game, but my main point about his meta with me was I have seen him play lurky town in GoT and in that game he still made reads on people just not many, and when he came back he defended himself and posted his reads for his post death flip, he did none of those things this game. While sounding like a broken record, his meta wasnt the only reason I voted for him. His play and lack of interest was also scummy. He deserved to die and I would have done it again because he was playing scummy and against his meta.

The only thing I said to syl in the PM was can I talk about FT in persona, and his answer was no, the game is ongoing. Sorry if this is against the rules or cheating. I just wanted to know if I could talk about it.


right hurr


I can see getting townie-vibes from that, but nothign particularly robust. It's natural for anyone to talk about the subject (PM'ing the host about discussion of an ongoing game), especially if it pertains to your suspicions and defense of said suspicion after a mislynch.


He pm'd syl a question directly related to this game... that's natural?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 00:04 GMT
#2042
On September 05 2013 08:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh he PM'd syl.

Didn't catch that. That's kinda wierd.


Yeah. Other than that I want to lynch him. But that one thing makes me go o.0?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 00:18 GMT
#2045
No. After I've read him I'll post complete thoughts on everyone.

While you're here, what do you think of this speculation?

On September 05 2013 00:26 Sn0_Man wrote:

PS: Useless setup speculation: It's safe to say that scum NK's are worth 50 water, since they achieved their NK tonight and it balanced-out perfectly with our doctor save. In addition, for balance reasons it prevents town losing D2 if town mislynches twice (which we did). As such, while I'm really unsure if it would help town much, a no-lynch isn't too unreasonable an option. Admittedly all that happens is we lose our doctor (ugh) but I'm willing to assume that he will be roleblocked and killed in fairly short order anyway so this isn't too huge a loss. The problem is that we need his insight for as long as possible. TL;DR we are at MyLo not Lylo or w/e. If we mislynch we lose but if we no-lynch we don't lose on the spot.


Before this I was pretty confused about why your save didn't lower the water level but this explanation makes perfect sense. It makes so much sense then I'm pretty sure sn0 had extra information.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 03:17 GMT
#2053
Lol sorry hapa. I'm waiting for my interest in the game to pick up. I should be good to go in a few hours.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 07:29 GMT
#2056
Hi Hapa.

Can you give 3 scumreads? One or two sentences each?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 08:22 GMT
#2060
Hapa as soon as I've reached any conclusions I'll post them. I was more interested in talking to people first but nobody is around.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 08:31 GMT
#2061
To clairfy: I'm lurking but willing to talk to anyone else who is here.

Hapa I can talk about sn0 right now if you want but I'm not confident enough to give my final answer. Or anyone else. I get the feeling that both of us are mainly interested in hearing the other person's scumreads.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 08:59 GMT
#2062
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


1. countless "iunno's"
2. this post
3.
On August 29 2013 23:42 Sn0_Man wrote:

I somehow scored like 3 free townreads early though so if nothing else he doesn't seem to be cherry picking somebody easy to point a finger at (another point in his favour).



he's mindful of who is reading him as town

4. posts like this where he is critical of people but not concerned about their alignment
5.
On August 30 2013 05:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
Koopa why ain't you pushing hopeless a bit more?

He seems like the best lynch so far tbh.


bro why don't you push hopeless more

6. does he know how scum water mechanics work?
7.
On September 05 2013 01:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
I hope it's marv


ooh are you bussing?

8. he's called me scum a few times lately but I don't remember him giving a shit about anything i've done
9.
On September 05 2013 06:35 Sn0_Man wrote:
@rayn:

Thrawn is admittedly AFK which isn't helping anything. I thought he had some contributions earlier though.

Your last post made more sense about yamato. PS If yamato is scum I'm thinking its him/thrawn/marv which makes u look disgustingly smart


i'm pretty sure rayn is town, and enabling town rayn is pretty mafia-motivated imo




If anyone has reasons why sn0 is town you need to get in touch with me before the lynch
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 10:06 GMT
#2063
Another pick for scum is Marv. He has a huge filter so I'm not going to bother looking for quotes. For how much he posts he doesn't have enough thread presence. I brought up how I felt marv was soft pushing my case in a weird way, and there have been multiple instances of that this game. I think it started around when I was pushing hopeless and I'm starting to suspect that he's been working me all game. Feels like deja vu, he's beaten me as scum this way before. I'm looking ahead to this

On September 04 2013 09:27 marvellosity wrote:
I know I have a decent chunk of time tomorrow evening, so I shall use it wisely


I read through all of sylencia's posts. Overall it was pretty bland, not the most interesting read. It didn't look particularly townie, nor scummy. I think the posts where he talked about his play were genuine. I'd like the people who want to lynch him to tell me truthfully if syl's meta doesn't allow for him to be town, because by his own description, it does?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 05 2013 10:18 GMT
#2064
Marv, when was the first time you thought I was town?

@Hapa

You asked for 3 scum, I guess I've arrived at marv, sn0, and... dunno? Maybe Onegu? A few eople have been in thread wanting to chat for awhile and Onegu has been posting elsewhere for all of it. I'm kinda waffle-y on him. I'm "patiently" waiting to hear your scumreads, especially any that I'm reading as town.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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