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The time a StarCraft supergroup took on Korea

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thedz
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States217 Posts
July 17 2013 19:31 GMT
#1
Another feature from Polygon on the EGTL Proleague team by Rob Zacny.

http://www.polygon.com/features/2013/7/17/4517846/starcraft-supergroup-korea-evil-geniuses


Nobody expected that competing in Proleague, the oldest and most elite Korean StarCraft team league, would be easy. The Korean teams who call Proleague their home have been playing professional StarCraft for a decade, ever since StarCraft: Brood War became a surprise sports phenomenon in Korea, and they routinely recruit and train the best aspiring pro real-time strategy players.

But in their worst nightmares, the owners of the two strongest StarCraft teams in North America and Europe didn't think their combined Evil Geniuses – Team Liquid (EGTL) "dream team" would find itself in last place by a humiliating margin. A daring attempt to steal a Proleague title out from under the Korean teams' noses, one that could vindicate a Western StarCraft scene suffering from low morale and weakening tournament results, was a full-blown debacle by the halfway point of the season. For foreign StarCraft fans, it was as if the 1980 U.S. men's hockey team had gone to the Olympics, forfeited to the USSR, then offered themselves as hostages to the Ayatollah.

With their credibility on the line, the heads of both teams tried to salvage their season by talking to one of the most accomplished Korean coaches in the history of Proleague: Park Yong Woon. In his career as a coach he had never failed to lead a team to the postseason and helped create an eSports dynasty with the SK Telecom T1 team. Now he had to find a way to save EGTL's season and, along the way, teach a pair of Western eSports organizations exactly what it takes to compete at the pinnacle of Korean eSports, where greatness has become a science.


I didn't know too much about the backstory behind EGTL hiring Coach Park, and the reasons surround that, so it was a super interesting read.

Also, the photos are pretty nice too cough.
Cauldron
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland125 Posts
July 17 2013 19:36 GMT
#2
Yeah nice write-up all the way!
InfusedTT.DaZe
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
July 17 2013 19:41 GMT
#3
really nice writeup and the photos of players and profiles are really neat, it's actually a nifty article ! ^_^
"Echoes of past events nudge the tiller on my present course, I await its reflection in the future"
KaiserKieran
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States615 Posts
July 17 2013 19:41 GMT
#4
Hopefully next season they will bring their A game along with some new faces!

~EG-TL FIGHTING ~
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
July 17 2013 19:50 GMT
#5
This was I think the most amazing article on Proleague I have read. It was seriously amazing, I think everybody should be reading this. So much backstory on coach Park and how awesome he really is...
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 19:53:43
July 17 2013 19:51 GMT
#6
That's a pretty nice read, especially the TL translation that is linked in that article. Anyone trying to figure out the gap between foreigners and Koreans should read this, shit's really well explained.


Edit: That last part is a bit scary. EG-TL can't afford the team house and/or Park? They're both so good for the team, I think another year would really propel them to be on par with Kespa teams.
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Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 20:47:05
July 17 2013 20:46 GMT
#7
On July 18 2013 04:51 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: That last part is a bit scary. EG-TL can't afford the team house and/or Park? They're both so good for the team, I think another year would really propel them to be on par with Kespa teams.


Well, if the coach park really costs much more then Stephano and/or Huk as indicated in that interview, I am not surprised they cannot afford him ^^
imo they should pay him for some more time and send Incontrol over to learn how to become a proper coach...
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
zeratul_jf
Profile Joined October 2011
United States808 Posts
July 17 2013 20:57 GMT
#8
On July 18 2013 05:46 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 04:51 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: That last part is a bit scary. EG-TL can't afford the team house and/or Park? They're both so good for the team, I think another year would really propel them to be on par with Kespa teams.


Well, if the coach park really costs much more then Stephano and/or Huk as indicated in that interview, I am not surprised they cannot afford him ^^
imo they should pay him for some more time and send Incontrol over to learn how to become a proper coach...


I wouldnt mind Incontrol as a coach but most players over there are korean. Im sure there will be a language barrier. So what would be the point of Incontrol becoming a good coach if he cant really coach the team that EG-TL has.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 21:03:04
July 17 2013 21:01 GMT
#9
So when Snute started his stream at 10 pm in Korea and finished at 4 am he played more than 12 hours in a day ? :o

That's huge.
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wozzot
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1227 Posts
July 17 2013 21:09 GMT
#10
Great article, Coach Park is more amazing than I'd thought
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viermalvier
Profile Joined December 2009
Austria115 Posts
July 17 2013 21:31 GMT
#11
wow, very nice writeup. I really hope they will stay for at least one season.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
July 17 2013 21:35 GMT
#12
i expect great results next season, please do not back out or falter away from this path!

we TL'ers have been dreaming of such days since the birth of proleague, EGTL in proleague has been the best thing happened to me in sc2.
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 21:38:57
July 17 2013 21:38 GMT
#13
I wasn't expecting EGTL to shock the world its first season as a team and win the league or even be one of the top teams, last place has been a disappointment but I think it's just growing pains.
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crashonly
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland418 Posts
July 17 2013 22:21 GMT
#14
That was a good read, thanks.

I dread the day we'll hear news about whether EGTL will continue to play in PL or not. Hate it when financial realities get in the way of things, but I still keep hoping it just might not somehow happen
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
July 17 2013 22:58 GMT
#15
Truly was a great article
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
JP Dayne
Profile Joined June 2013
538 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 23:09:12
July 17 2013 23:08 GMT
#16
I don't think team leagues are that great. It shows a strange kind of competitivity level.
Like, a player would only need to train for a predefined matchup, on predefined maps, against only one oponent/race.
This lead to "cheese" plays a-galore, we didn't see any inovative play from anyone, just more of the same. Add that the fact that we were overwhelmed by unknown players we could not relate to.
PL has NOTHING on GSL or MLG

GO TL AND EG!!!!
Anuzi
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
192 Posts
July 17 2013 23:11 GMT
#17
nice write up!
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
July 17 2013 23:40 GMT
#18
On July 18 2013 08:08 JP Dayne wrote:
I don't think team leagues are that great. It shows a strange kind of competitivity level.
Like, a player would only need to train for a predefined matchup, on predefined maps, against only one oponent/race.
This lead to "cheese" plays a-galore, we didn't see any inovative play from anyone, just more of the same. Add that the fact that we were overwhelmed by unknown players we could not relate to.
PL has NOTHING on GSL or MLG

GO TL AND EG!!!!


Predefined match-ups and predefined maps aren't unique to any competition. Unless you're a sniper, you'll need to train the given match-up that week, which may be different from before due to picks, just like in a regular tournament.

I picked out more timing attacks and innovative plays in Proleague than in the WCS OSL so far. I'd like to see hyvaa doing all the goddamn stuff Hydra has been doing so far in PL.

Whine less about not knowing players and watch the game.

Maybe if your definition of skill was something like "winning a lot of games in Starcraft no matter what the circumstance" your view of different competitions wouldn't be so messed up.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 17 2013 23:46 GMT
#19
On July 18 2013 08:40 ymir233 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 08:08 JP Dayne wrote:
I don't think team leagues are that great. It shows a strange kind of competitivity level.
Like, a player would only need to train for a predefined matchup, on predefined maps, against only one oponent/race.
This lead to "cheese" plays a-galore, we didn't see any inovative play from anyone, just more of the same. Add that the fact that we were overwhelmed by unknown players we could not relate to.
PL has NOTHING on GSL or MLG

GO TL AND EG!!!!


Predefined match-ups and predefined maps aren't unique to any competition. Unless you're a sniper, you'll need to train the given match-up that week, which may be different from before due to picks, just like in a regular tournament.

I picked out more timing attacks and innovative plays in Proleague than in the WCS OSL so far. I'd like to see hyvaa doing all the goddamn stuff Hydra has been doing so far in PL.

Whine less about not knowing players and watch the game.

Maybe if your definition of skill was something like "winning a lot of games in Starcraft no matter what the circumstance" your view of different competitions wouldn't be so messed up.


^ Pretty much. If you're FlaSh or JD back when they were super-aces, you had to put up with the fact that every team would train some specialist (map or matchup) to fight you. When they have over 100 of your games to study while you have like 5 of theirs, life isn't easy but these guys managed to do really well in these circumstances regardless. Team games are pretty important because it means that you HAVE to take the ONE game, and can't screw around with BoX mentalities, so you have to plan out a specific game perfectly for a week. In Bo series at least the map can change so you don't have to face up against those sorts of specialists right?
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JP Dayne
Profile Joined June 2013
538 Posts
July 17 2013 23:49 GMT
#20
On July 18 2013 08:40 ymir233 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 08:08 JP Dayne wrote:
I don't think team leagues are that great. It shows a strange kind of competitivity level.
Like, a player would only need to train for a predefined matchup, on predefined maps, against only one oponent/race.
This lead to "cheese" plays a-galore, we didn't see any inovative play from anyone, just more of the same. Add that the fact that we were overwhelmed by unknown players we could not relate to.
PL has NOTHING on GSL or MLG

GO TL AND EG!!!!


Predefined match-ups and predefined maps aren't unique to any competition. Unless you're a sniper, you'll need to train the given match-up that week, which may be different from before due to picks, just like in a regular tournament.

I picked out more timing attacks and innovative plays in Proleague than in the WCS OSL so far. I'd like to see hyvaa doing all the goddamn stuff Hydra has been doing so far in PL.

Whine less about not knowing players and watch the game.

Maybe if your definition of skill was something like "winning a lot of games in Starcraft no matter what the circumstance" your view of different competitions wouldn't be so messed up.


ah, the internet
everybody is tough in here
you sure talk a lot of shit about me without knowing me, m8
I just expressed an opinion, you don't have to nerdrage me out
oh, and yes, the best player is the one that can beat the other on more than one aspect.
but since PL is about the best team, I don't really care much about it.
hence my last post
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