• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 01:47
CET 07:47
KST 15:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win
Tourneys
StarCraft2.fi 15th Anniversary Cup RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night
Brood War
General
Let's talk about Metropolis [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Foreign Brood War
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO16 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation Path of Exile ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
Physical Exertion During Gam…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1794 users

How to "solve" the economic question?

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
May 13 2013 11:54 GMT
#1
Sup, sorry I'm too lazy to think of a proper title.

So, I guess we can agree that the following assumptions are true:

1. There are certain activities that make us happy. (=some neurotransmitters are released in our brain, the result being that we experience something we call "happiness") Cooking, spending time with the kids, watching a movie, w/e

2. Owning/possessing stuff makes us happy. Owning/Possessing stuff is therefore one of the aforementioned activities. We realize that we own something and the experience of happiness is the result (probably most intense at the moment of the purchase).

3. Stockpiling makes us happy. We want to possess more stuff than we can actually use. We want to own a car even if we dont want to drive it at that particular moment, we want to have money in the bank even if we dont need it right now, food in the fridge we dont want to eat right now etc.

4. Most ressources are limited, especially what we call time.

So I have some questions.

Q1: Why does stockpiling makes us happy? I assume that in the process we call evolution at some point it was benficial for a species to develop this kind of thinking, or feeling. Which makes a lot of sense, because if you own more than you need, especially food, water etc, you can survive times of scarceness. Is that correct? Is stockpiling something that can be seen in other species as well? (I think squirrels do it?)

Q2: Assumption: a resonable approach to "life itself" is to maximize the utility that the limited ressources like time provide us. If we had to chosse between doing something boring work on one hand or doing some fun stuff on the other, we would always choose the latter.
So, given 2, 3, 4: how do we solve the tragedy of the commons? Should each and everyone of us have the same rights? Everyone gets the same amount of land, of food, toys, cars, yachts etc that the planet can provide? What, if the populations is growing?

Q3: Should people that own a lot (like billionaires) have to share their wealth with the poor? That would of course mean that a lot of us in the "first world" would experience a decrese in wealth.

Q4: So, if we assume that a "system" is fair if it is pareto optimal, then how can we determine if the distribution of goods and services in the world is fair? How can we "solve" the economic question (acquisition and distribution of goods&services)?

Thanks yo.
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
guN-viCe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States687 Posts
May 13 2013 12:03 GMT
#2
We need to produce more in a sustainable way.

We also need better laws and regulations. Unchecked capitalism is bad.
Never give up, never surrender!!! ~~ Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -Sagan
Christ the Redeemer
Profile Joined May 2012
Brazil161 Posts
May 13 2013 12:09 GMT
#3
Homework thread detected!
FallenStar
Profile Joined October 2011
Spain118 Posts
May 13 2013 12:11 GMT
#4
Assumption: a resonable approach to "life itself" is to maximize the utility that the limited ressources like time provide us. If we had to chosse between doing something boring work on one hand or doing some fun stuff on the other, we would always choose the latter.


I think you should quit that assumption, just because it could derail the whole point of the thread or create a sub-thread in it just because it could easily be a thread by itself.

So, given 2, 3, 4: how do we solve the tragedy of the commons? Should each and everyone of us have the same rights? Everyone gets the same amount of land, of food, toys, cars, yachts etc that the planet can provide? What, if the populations is growing?


About the tragedy of the commons problem: (complete and absolutely speculating from now on, it could possibly be completely wrong, so tell me if I'm wrong) I think this is related to the fact that there's a new religion in the world: money. We all praise it, it's a miraculous and almighty god, with its own angels (the brands) and its own theology (economics). It influences us in the brain in the same way religion does (don't have time to find sources, will try later), and it affects our culture in a really deep way. So unless we get rid of this problem, that tragedy of the commons issue won't disappear, because everyone wants to have more and more in this world.

That's the way I see it at least. About everything else in the post: yeah, everyone should have the same rights, but not the same amount of things, because socialism, at that level, can't/hasn't worked.

And I don't know how to solve the economic problem cause I can't understand economics (am I the only one that always gets lost in economic threads??)
"Forget about motivation. If you want something, just fucking do it" - Day[9]
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
May 13 2013 12:16 GMT
#5
I disagree with that fundamental premise that owning stuff and stockpiling stuff makes people happy. The way I understand is that the happiness level of person will adapt over time to what he/she owns. By which I mean that if you buy a lot of stuff it might make you happy for a short while but it will wear off and you will return to being no happier than you were before.

This is a quick summary, and I can't chase up sources now. I will do so later
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
May 13 2013 12:17 GMT
#6
This looks very much like a hw thread
Moderator
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h 13m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft524
SteadfastSC 180
SortOf 113
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 349
Movie 111
sorry 104
yabsab 38
Sacsri 24
ZergMaN 22
Noble 17
League of Legends
JimRising 609
C9.Mang0384
Other Games
summit1g11447
XaKoH 211
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick659
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1409
Upcoming Events
StarCraft2.fi
10h 13m
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
17h 13m
The PondCast
1d 3h
WardiTV 2025
1d 5h
StarCraft2.fi
1d 10h
WardiTV 2025
2 days
StarCraft2.fi
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
IPSL
3 days
Sziky vs JDConan
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs TBD
herO vs Zoun
[ Show More ]
WardiTV 2025
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Tarson vs DragOn
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Revival: Season 3
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
RSL Offline Finals
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.