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iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 20:30:25
October 16 2012 05:16 GMT
#1
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Khalani Sanctuary
(by Travis "Caustic" Willis)

Tileset: Aiur
Map Size: 148x148
Published on: [NA] [EU] [SEA] [KR]
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Changelog:
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v1.5

Lighting
  • Increased the default Aiur bloom threshold to fix a visual issue with Protoss UI.



v1.4

General
  • Cleaned up imported image to avoid excessive file size
  • Added a new Galaxy eSports loading screen



v1.3

Terrain
  • Increased width of natural ramps
  • Updated cliffs and assets to use Heart of the Swarm aesthetics
General
  • Updated map to use Heart of the Swarm dependencies



v1.2

Balance
  • Increased width of ramps to high-ground middle bases in response to immortal/sentry all-ins
  • Altered destructible rocks near low-ground middle bases to allow better army movement and harassment opportunity
  • Added line of sight blockers to key positions on the map
Terrain
  • Adjusted low-ground middle bases to be more aesthetically pleasing
  • Adjusted main base cliffs to look more natural
  • Map has undergone a complete aesthetic overhaul, with improved texturing, completely-redone doodads and altered lighting
General
  • Added new Battle.net map info features, including patch notes and screenshots
  • Replaced neutral lowered supply depots with new neutral unit: unbuildable bricks (destructible)
  • Updated map name from "Khalani Sanctuary" to "Galaxy - Khalani Sanctuary" to make it easier to search for Galaxy eSports maps on Battle.net



v1.1

Balance
  • Added neutral supply depots at the bottom of main base ramps, per tournament standard



v1.0

General
  • Initial release





Introduction / Map Concept:

I wanted to make a 4 player rotational map that allowed all spawns, wasn't as overly large as current 4p rotational maps like Whirlwind, and still allowed varied strategies in all spawns (e.g. no "oop, horizontal spawns, I guess I have to 2-base all-in" shenanigans -- though you're free to do so if you wish).

Nothing mind-blowingly innovative, just a good, solid 4p map with all spawns enabled and reasonable rush distances. Surprisingly rare to find, so I figured I'd make one.

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Probably the one neat little feature I like is the destructible rocks at the low-ground thirds. These both serve to help protect that base from/delay early pushes, as well as segregate the map into quadrants, connected by the centre portion of the map. To access additional resources (likely to be 4th base in close position, 5th base in cross), you'll have to break these rocks down yourself to open up the map.




Community Response Highlights:

+ Show Spoiler [Plexa, admin staff for teamliquid.net] +
On October 16 2012 19:36 Plexa wrote:
I like this map. I think you've done a really good job at creating a very playable map. I will try and get some games in on it over the next few days.
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On October 16 2012 15:14 a176 wrote:
i would have liked to see some bases scattered more inwards of the map rather than everything on the perimeter, to create a sense of increasing map control for the player. im assuming that youre assuming that people will expand past the rocks to get their fourth, but because the 2 bases after the nat are so close, theres really very little risk in taking all 4 bases in the corner.

I disagree. This map isn't about interesting expansion dynamics, it's just about solid strong standard play. This is more like an Ohana rather than a Cloud Kingdom, if you catch my drift. Not every map needs to have interesting expansion layouts, and this is one case where it isn't necessary for good and interesting gameplay. With that said, if every map was safe and boring then the map scene would be very very stale but there is a place for well made 'boring' maps.


+ Show Spoiler [FlaShFTW, King of Third Bases on TL] +
On October 19 2012 07:17 FlaShFTW wrote:
this map is solid and very nice. these kinds of 4p rotational are what really make me smile. because they have that optional 3rd that really works.

+ Show Spoiler [Gfire, mapmaker for ESV] +
On November 06 2012 06:43 Gfire wrote:
Seems pretty good. The proportions and ramp sizes in the middle sections might be a bit constricting. Here and there maybe a minor adjustment in proportioning would be good, but the map's pretty nice. It's got an interesting structure but it's pretty solid.

+ Show Spoiler [IronManSC, creator of Ohana] +
On February 21 2013 16:10 IronManSC wrote:
It's like a mixture of Sanctuarium and Whirlwind.. good alterations, and a nice clean map!

+ Show Spoiler [lorestarcraft, fellow Galaxy mapper] +
On February 24 2013 03:21 lorestarcraft wrote:
Well, I just want to say that as I play this map more, the thing that strikes me is that I can play almost any style in any position, which really gives me the ability to play re-actively and pro-actively. This is the strength of a good, standard map. To have this feature in an all spawns 4 player map, is just great.

This map does what it wants to do!




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Contact the mapmaker by email at caustic [at] galaxyesports [dot] com
Twitter: @iamcaustic
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
October 16 2012 05:25 GMT
#2
I like the choice of thirds. The layout seems to work pretty well for horizontal spawns. As a Zerg I'd be pretty pizzazzed if I got cross-spawns .
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iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
October 16 2012 05:30 GMT
#3
On October 16 2012 14:25 Qwyn wrote:
I like the choice of thirds. The layout seems to work pretty well for horizontal spawns. As a Zerg I'd be pretty pizzazzed if I got cross-spawns .

There's only a difference of 5 seconds as the drone flies between close position and cross position nat-to-nat distance. I think it'll good no matter where you spawn -- I made it to be so, so it better be!
Twitter: @iamcaustic
Coppermantis
Profile Joined June 2012
United States845 Posts
October 16 2012 05:43 GMT
#4
Looks like a good map. The thirds are as Qwyn said pretty nice in how I can choose which one I want to take, and each option seems tactically sound.

Aesthetics are nice.
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
October 16 2012 06:02 GMT
#5
Basically a cross between Whirlwind (outer part) and Tal'Darim Altar (center)?
vibeo gane,
lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
October 16 2012 06:03 GMT
#6
This map is the best 4 player map I have seen in a loong time.
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iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
October 16 2012 06:06 GMT
#7
On October 16 2012 15:02 -NegativeZero- wrote:
Basically a cross between Whirlwind (outer part) and Tal'Darim Altar (center)?

The centre is definitely Tal'Darim Altar-inspired, but the outer part just sort of worked out that way. I guess you could say it's similar to Whirlwind.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
October 16 2012 06:14 GMT
#8
i would have liked to see some bases scattered more inwards of the map rather than everything on the perimeter, to create a sense of increasing map control for the player. im assuming that youre assuming that people will expand past the rocks to get their fourth, but because the 2 bases after the nat are so close, theres really very little risk in taking all 4 bases in the corner.
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iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
October 16 2012 06:26 GMT
#9
On October 16 2012 15:14 a176 wrote:
i would have liked to see some bases scattered more inwards of the map rather than everything on the perimeter, to create a sense of increasing map control for the player. im assuming that youre assuming that people will expand past the rocks to get their fourth, but because the 2 bases after the nat are so close, theres really very little risk in taking all 4 bases in the corner.

In cross position there is little risk, I agree, but I don't see that as being a flaw; cross position tends to be more macro-oriented on any 4p map. However, in close positions that will likely be a poor idea just due to the increasingly shorter reinforcement distance for your opponent.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 07:55:49
October 16 2012 07:49 GMT
#10
Nice work. I am stupefied this fits inside 148x148. I guess I am seeing the proportions a little wrong (it is cozier than it appears). All the same, this map should replace Antiga straight away. As you say, surprisingly rare to find a solid 4p rotational that isn't essentially XY mirror with curvy main/nat.

edit: but I want a better name, too sing-songy. pick something else from here: protoss words. don't mind me.

edit #2: btw I'm serious about that Antiga comment. Does anyone else want to email some tournament organizers exhorting them to swap out and announce it? If a body of us speak united it will send a message, even if it doesn't work the first time. If there are serious concerns that this map shouldn't be played on let's discuss it.
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Fatam
Profile Joined June 2012
1986 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 08:19:41
October 16 2012 08:17 GMT
#11
Map is pretty great. I agree w/ the best 4p-map-in-a-while comment.

I hear where you're coming from a176 @ more bases in the middle (I am a huge supporter of this for 2p maps, as almost everyone seems to shy away from it and just puts their bases on the edges) but for 4p maps I think it's really hard to balance. Either the base is impossible to take/a winner's base, or you have 2 bases that are practically right next to each other, or some other problem. I'm trying to think of 4p maps that successfully do it, the only map I can think of that sooort of does it is Entombed, but that's even a stretch.
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iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
October 16 2012 09:04 GMT
#12
On October 16 2012 16:49 EatThePath wrote:
Nice work. I am stupefied this fits inside 148x148. I guess I am seeing the proportions a little wrong (it is cozier than it appears). All the same, this map should replace Antiga straight away. As you say, surprisingly rare to find a solid 4p rotational that isn't essentially XY mirror with curvy main/nat.

edit: but I want a better name, too sing-songy. pick something else from here: protoss words. don't mind me.

edit #2: btw I'm serious about that Antiga comment. Does anyone else want to email some tournament organizers exhorting them to swap out and announce it? If a body of us speak united it will send a message, even if it doesn't work the first time. If there are serious concerns that this map shouldn't be played on let's discuss it.

It's amazing what you can fit in a 148x148 map as long as you're efficient enough with the space. If anyone remembers Crevasse, that map was also 148x148. I apologize for any blown minds.

Anywho, I have to admit I'd be pretty ecstatic if people took the time to contact tournament organizers to get this map into their pools. Would also help if people upvoted the Reddit thread in order to get some additional exposure.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 10:41:59
October 16 2012 10:36 GMT
#13
I like this map. I think you've done a really good job at creating a very playable map. I will try and get some games in on it over the next few days.
On October 16 2012 15:14 a176 wrote:
i would have liked to see some bases scattered more inwards of the map rather than everything on the perimeter, to create a sense of increasing map control for the player. im assuming that youre assuming that people will expand past the rocks to get their fourth, but because the 2 bases after the nat are so close, theres really very little risk in taking all 4 bases in the corner.

I disagree. This map isn't about interesting expansion dynamics, it's just about solid strong standard play. This is more like an Ohana rather than a Cloud Kingdom, if you catch my drift. Not every map needs to have interesting expansion layouts, and this is one case where it isn't necessary for good and interesting gameplay. With that said, if every map was safe and boring then the map scene would be very very stale but there is a place for well made 'boring' maps.
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Shkudde
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands709 Posts
October 16 2012 10:39 GMT
#14
Upvoted on Reddit as per your request
Can someone upload this on EU?
I normally never play customs but this map looks like too much fun not to.
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Greenhit
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States200 Posts
October 16 2012 10:57 GMT
#15
This map looks great! Awesome work
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Brainiac_Br
Profile Joined December 2011
Brazil14 Posts
October 16 2012 13:41 GMT
#16
Awesome map, pretty much macro oriented, remembers Tal'Darim, but more enjoyable (TDA is a vetoe for me).

But what i liked most is the strange feeling that i'm looking a old style BW map :3
=D
Archvil3
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark989 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 16:27:15
October 16 2012 16:26 GMT
#17
You didnt happen to browse old map threads for inspiration? I mean, if not, this is quite the funny coinsidence!
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iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 17:31:48
October 16 2012 17:26 GMT
#18
On October 17 2012 01:26 Archvil3 wrote:
You didnt happen to browse old map threads for inspiration? I mean, if not, this is quite the funny coinsidence!

Ahaha that is quite a coincidence! I actually got name inspiration by browsing random lore and wiki sites to get some words from Protoss-related lore. Ended up landing on the word "Khalani", and the rest is history.

On October 16 2012 22:41 Brainiac_Br wrote:
Awesome map, pretty much macro oriented, remembers Tal'Darim, but more enjoyable (TDA is a vetoe for me).

But what i liked most is the strange feeling that i'm looking a old style BW map :3

I wanted the map to have a similar feeling to the old BW Aiur maps, so I'm glad you got this feeling.

On October 16 2012 19:39 Shkudde wrote:
Upvoted on Reddit as per your request
Can someone upload this on EU?
I normally never play customs but this map looks like too much fun not to.

I really need to get at least an EU account, if not an EU and KR... If someone reputable would like to volunteer to host this map on EU, feel free to send me a PM! I'm happy that there's interest in playing this map outside of NA.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 04:21:11
October 18 2012 04:20 GMT
#19
Update bump! I've made a small update to the map to include the tournament-standard neutral supply depots. With comments about people wanting this to replace maps like Antiga Shipyard in tournaments, I may as well have it ready to do so.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 06:42:16
October 18 2012 05:06 GMT
#20
Someone should upload this map on EU server...it looks awesome.Wanna give it a try.
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