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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-15 08:46:27
September 04 2012 05:33 GMT
#1

TL Debates
#TLdebate on irc.quakenet.org


- Read the log of the Quickfire round here. [unparsable timestamp format]

- Read the first set of Proposition speeches here, and the first set of Opposition speeches here. Sorry for the delay.




Announcements

- LlamaNamedOsama has volunteered himself as the seconf official judge of TL Debates

- itsjustatank has volunteered himself as the first official judge of TL Debates.

Current Events
  • First TL Debate is underway.

  • Motion : This house believes that all governments should have the right to nuclear weapons.


    Teams
    Note that the numbers do not indicate which speakers they are.

    -

    Opposition

    1. Chairman Ray ca
    2. farvacola us
    3. heroyi us
    4. sAsImre fr

    -

    Proposition

    1. ShadySands us / cn
    2. Blazinghand us
    3. Souma us
    4. wherebugsgo us / in






Format of Debate

    First round

  • Teams will be PM'ed the finalized motion, as decided by public poll or otherwise, and will proceed to work with team members as well as members of the opposite team to define the terms of the debate.

  • 72 hours after the PMs have been sent out, all members of both teams are expected to send a PM containing their speech and an indication as to which speaker they are (1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th) to Azera or an officially appointed TL Debate moderator.

  • A total of 8 speeches will be released this round.

    Second round

  • Quickfire round. Each team is to appoint 2 members to represent their team. The 2 selected debators are required to be in the IRC channel (#TLdebate on quake.net). Team mates are allowed to spectate, and are not allowed to interject at any point of time.

  • The quickfire round will consist of 2 sub-rounds. Each sub-round will have 1 member of the Proposition and the Opposition duke it out. Each quickfire round will last for 7 minutes, with an additional minute given to each debator for a concluding sentence.

  • A log of the entire session will be released this round.

    Third round

  • After the quickfire round has ended, the entire log will be sent to all debators to review via PM.

  • Each team is to select 2 debators to represent the team for the final round.

  • 48 hours after the PM has been sent out, the 2 selected team represensatives are expected to each send a concluding speech to Azera or an officially appointed TL Debate moderator.

  • A total of 4 speeches will be released this round.

    Conclusion

  • A poll to decide the winning team will be released.

  • The poll will be open for 72 hours.

  • Yet to be implemented : 3 judges will post their remarks and grade each team as a whole with the maximum score being 50. Marking rubrics has yet to be decided.




    Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

    How do I participate?

  • Send a PM to to Azera or an officially appointed TL Debate moderator when registration is open.

  • + Show Spoiler [PM Format] +

    Topic : Proposition/Opposition

    Body : Can be left blank, but it would be favourable if you could include 100 words or so about why you should be chosen.


    How is this different from just having random discussion?

  • It doesn't differ from random discussion that much, but you will be able to easily find high quality arguments from the "official speakers", so you can easily filter through the bad posts to find the good ones.

    How do I apply to be a TL Debates Moderator?

  • Send a PM to Azera with a short description of yourself and why you shoud be a TL Debates Moderator.

    How do I apply to be a TL Debates Judge?

  • Send a PM to Azera with a short description of yourself and why you shoud be a TL Debates Judge.






TL Debates Moderator/s
- Azera sg

TL Debates Judge/s
- itsjustatank au
- LlamaNamedOsama us







Useful links

- Logical Fallacies
- National Forensics League look for resourses
- Singaporean School's Online Guide to Debating
- How to Argue Effectively satire





Log

+ Show Spoiler +


TL Debates #1

- Read the first set of Proposition speeches here, and the first set of Opposition speeches here.

Check out some great music made by TLers - http://bit.ly/QXYhdb , by intrigue. http://bit.ly/RTjpOR , by ohsea.toc.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18824 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 05:36:02
September 04 2012 05:34 GMT
#2
I demand a spot on a team This gun be good.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 04 2012 05:35 GMT
#3
I'd be up for this
TerranosaurusWrecks
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada187 Posts
September 04 2012 05:37 GMT
#4
i don't have the balls to do this, but i remember playing debates on sc and having a huge blast playing i hope to see some sweet clashes in this thread
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "Like you can train a n00b, but they will just be a trained n00b."
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
September 04 2012 05:38 GMT
#5
On September 04 2012 14:34 farvacola wrote:
I demand a spot on a team This gun be good.


On September 04 2012 14:35 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'd be up for this


PM me your desired positions, Prop/Opp
Check out some great music made by TLers - http://bit.ly/QXYhdb , by intrigue. http://bit.ly/RTjpOR , by ohsea.toc.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 04 2012 05:38 GMT
#6
I'm up for it as well =)

Nice OP
Что?
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
September 04 2012 05:46 GMT
#7
Shaping up to be great teams thus far!
Check out some great music made by TLers - http://bit.ly/QXYhdb , by intrigue. http://bit.ly/RTjpOR , by ohsea.toc.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33339 Posts
September 04 2012 05:47 GMT
#8
I'll enjoy meta-moderating :o
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
September 04 2012 05:48 GMT
#9
It will be interesting to watch this. I don't get involved in a debate unless I know every fact pertinent and it's been a while since I could say that about any subject - so I won't participate. But it will be interesting to watch.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
September 04 2012 05:50 GMT
#10
I'd also be interesting in watching

I know there are tons of fantastic debaters and great minds on TL, should be interesting.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 05:54:47
September 04 2012 05:50 GMT
#11
Does anybody think the following would be better to represent the current team?

+ Show Spoiler +


Opposition

1. Chairman Ray ca
2. farvacola us

Proposition

1. ShadySands us / cn

Check out some great music made by TLers - http://bit.ly/QXYhdb , by intrigue. http://bit.ly/RTjpOR , by ohsea.toc.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
September 04 2012 05:55 GMT
#12
This could be interesting...

This could be bad.

Here's hoping
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18824 Posts
September 04 2012 05:56 GMT
#13
On September 04 2012 14:50 Azera wrote:
Does anybody think the following would be better to represent the current team?

+ Show Spoiler +


Opposition

1. Chairman Ray ca
2. farvacola us

Proposition

1. ShadySands us / cn


I'd say it's more appealing to the eye for sure.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
September 04 2012 05:59 GMT
#14
My application has been sent.

On September 04 2012 14:56 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 14:50 Azera wrote:
Does anybody think the following would be better to represent the current team?

+ Show Spoiler +


Opposition

1. Chairman Ray ca
2. farvacola us

Proposition

1. ShadySands us / cn


I'd say it's more appealing to the eye for sure.


Yeah, it looks very pro
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 04 2012 06:12 GMT
#15
lol how did you know im chinese-american?
Что?
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
September 04 2012 06:18 GMT
#16
On September 04 2012 15:12 Shady Sands wrote:
lol how did you know im chinese-american?

Black magic, clearly. I say we burn the wizard!
Throw off those chains of reason, and your prison disappears. | Check your posting frequency timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/post_activity_img.php
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 06:24:46
September 04 2012 06:21 GMT
#17
On September 04 2012 15:12 Shady Sands wrote:
lol how did you know im chinese-american?


You look Chinese

+ Show Spoiler +
heheheheheheheheheehhe, also, nice bedsheets.
Check out some great music made by TLers - http://bit.ly/QXYhdb , by intrigue. http://bit.ly/RTjpOR , by ohsea.toc.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
September 04 2012 06:23 GMT
#18
I'm a bit confused. In a standard debate it goes Prop -> Opp, Prop -> Opp etc., but are we just going to have all eight participants post their speeches at the same time?
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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
September 04 2012 06:24 GMT
#19
On September 04 2012 15:23 Souma wrote:
I'm a bit confused. In a standard debate it goes Prop -> Opp, Prop -> Opp etc., but are we just going to have all eight participants post their speeches at the same time?


Yes, I will release them all at once. But I will put the prop speeches before opp
Check out some great music made by TLers - http://bit.ly/QXYhdb , by intrigue. http://bit.ly/RTjpOR , by ohsea.toc.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 06:29:13
September 04 2012 06:26 GMT
#20
Won't the speeches be a bit redundant then? It might be better to do two prop, two opp for the first batch then two prop, two opp for the second batch so speeches won't be as redundant and you can get more rebuttal that way.

Or if you wanna try the Oxford style we can just go back and forth one at a time, that way we can have constant rebuttals and constant defense. Might be a bit more interesting. :D
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