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One scum almost always takes it upon themselves to make large posts early on and establish themselves as very very "pro-town". They love buzzwords like "anti-town" and other stupid things like that. I just can't see any reason for a townie to spend that much time, early in the game, establishing their townieness unless there is a mayoral election or something like that. This is such an incredibly wrong and scummy statement that it's unbelievable. Think about what it means for just a second. Mamba is saying that going out of your way to establish your townieness is unnecessary -- even scummy. It's even one of the first rules in Ver's guide: establish your own innocence in order to create a good atmospere and make it easier to find scum. (forgive me for not citing it directly at this moment; my resources are limited) Now, why would he want to enforce this? Only scum could possibly want to establish an atmosphere where showing your innocence is a bad thing. There's also the insinuation that claiming self-aware miller is a poor choice, the questionable case against Hapa (dismissed with an "I wasn't-really-trying" excuse), and the statement that voting for someone doing as little as Palmar would actually be a bad idea. All of this comes together to show somebody that isn't trying to establish a pro-town atmosphere, is pushing the wrong targets, and is definitely scum. ##vote BlackMamba24 | ||
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On September 01 2012 09:23 Hapahauli wrote: @ Node - Don't vote BM24, no one's going to vote for him but you and an afk Marv. Your vote is useless where it is. What do you think about my suspicions about HiroPro? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625¤tpage=21#401 I think it's incredibly silly to say that nobody will vote for BM24 when 5 or so people have already swung on to Hiro very suddenly (and with reasoning as minimal as "yeah, sure, why not?"). But as for your case: I don't think Hiro's done anything explicitly scummy. Yeah, he dropped the case against MM, but seeing as the prevailing opinion now is that MM is safe (otherwise there would be more votes on him), there's nothing wrong with that. His contributions hve been less since then, but I haven't seen anything outright anti-town in his filter (contrast with BM). I've got much stronger scum reads. I'll leave my vote where it is for now. | ||
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On September 01 2012 12:07 Risen wrote: I'm going to be auto-voting lurkers after today (or maybe even today if the low posting keeps up from you, Node, Marvel, and anyone else I'm missing) >says he's going to start voting for lurkers >voted for Palmar On September 01 2012 11:35 Risen wrote: Well I can't say I'm surprised. Hope you learn your lesson. ahahahahahahahahaha You're mafia trying to distance yourself from the lynch. Hell, you were trying to do this before Palmar even died, when you were the person who made the initial case on him... yet your vote stayed where it was. You made literally a single post against Shady Sands, and from then on it was nothing but Palmar -- then you said oh-said-regretfully that you weren't moving from Palmar because your "real read" never got traction. Ridiculous. ##vote Risen | ||
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On September 01 2012 14:15 Shady Sands wrote: Also, with Hapa gone, I strongly encourage any cops or blues to act on HiroPro. The guy has to be scum. I dunno how true that is, since it looks like a town action (?) killed Hapa. I'm not sure since the wording BM24 used was "L's servant", which could mean many things. But it looks more like a townie mistake than scum targeting someone they found dangerous. | ||
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On September 01 2012 23:58 strongandbig wrote: Actually I can give a little bit more now. my role PM says that rolechecks on me before half the players in the game are dead will return detective and after that point they will return suspicious detective. This means that 'suspicious detective' isn't just a name for a "miller" role. It's a result of checks people can get. If all suspicious detectives were millers then that wouldn't make any sense - the whole point of millers is that they check the same as scum. I think this is bullshit. Per his death post, Palmar got a vanilla townie role PM. ##vote strongandbig The role posted with Palmar's death was the role PM he received, correct? | ||
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##unvote Risen ##vote strongandbig Sorry! | ||
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On September 02 2012 00:27 Risen wrote: I'm going to write up a case regardless of what's happening in thread atm, actually. We'll see what sab comes back with. My case is going to focus on someone who was hard defending Palmar when they shouldn't have been. I'm going to look very hard at everyone who wasn't voting Palmar and then see what I find. Don't forget to analyze yourself. | ||
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On September 02 2012 00:30 HiroPro wrote: I'm not a miller lol. I'm a cop. So you're saying it is possible for a check to return Suspicious Detective? | ||
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On September 02 2012 10:54 HiroPro wrote: No I don't think so either. But they would have thought he was town and that's where it gets interesting. I disagree strongly. I think s&b's claim was made at least partially to alert scum that he was a traitor. Put yourself in Kira's position -- you're probably aware that you have at least one supporter hidden among the detectives. Who looks most likely? I'd have to imagine it's the person who claims they're going to start appearing red at some point to checks. | ||
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On September 02 2012 11:24 Shady Sands wrote: This is a real question. Let's say scumteam saves a traitor by going all out and all voting for an innocent townie. Townie flips green. Wouldn't the town then proceed to lynch the traitor the next day, and the proceed to lynch the rest of the scumteam for that? Now think about it this way: scum always needs to build towncred. But building towncred via bussing means sacrificing a contributing scum member. Instead, why not sacrifice a traitor whom the team can't communicate with, and whom the town already suspects? Well, for starters, it's entirely possible that s&b was, in fact, communicating with the scum team. Every cycle, you can check a player by PMing all hosts. If that player is Kira, you gain rights to communicate with him and his allies. If that player is the Head Investigator, however, he will be notified that you were stalking him. It's also possible (though less likely) that Kira had some method of checking if someone is a traitor, which the claim would've baited out quickly. | ||
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##vote MrZentor | ||
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##vote HiroPro | ||
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Anyway, I'm just a VT. I know my vote on Hiro was really really dumb, but Hiro's laziness-vibe at that point really put me off, and Risen looked like he had been stepping it up. His play earlier in the game was utterly abysmal (the palmar thing was ludicrous), but comparing his okay to Hiro's it really looked like Hiro was trying to hide a lot more. If you lynch me for that I understand, but, um, please don't. I'm going to vote for ghost. This is mainly coming from reading Risen's filter after he was lynched. He almost never mentions ghost at all, which seems weird as he brings up literally everybody else. The only occurrence is a soft defense of ghost based on that he voted s&b... but this never really made sense since he never came down on whether or not s&b had successfully contacted scum. He also says before he gets lynched that a ghost/Hiro team looks likely to him -- a flip-flop of his earlier position. It's pretty easy to see that as deflecting suspicion off a scumbuddy, especially after he lightly defended him earlier. ##vote ghost_403 | ||
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##vote marvellosity | ||
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