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... I find it really interesting in the fact that if everyone would start playing SC2 on one day, there will naturally be people in whom excel and learn better then those in whom had the same amount of playing time.
There are tangible things we cant point to in-game such as APM, multitasking, managing economy, etc. Those are the things which are measurable though, and it really doesnt show anything about how the player got to the point in the first place. There must things that think "behind" themselves to understand not only why they lossed a game, but the deficient mentality that cause a wrong response cognitively.
Now take this example:
Idra is studying physics and it requires mathematical and spatial relationships. The part of his brain which exercises variables, space and number equations is wired in great deterministic connections which makes very good sense of how to predict whats gonna happen 5 minutes later the game and managing economy, which is why Idra is so good. The capacity for natural smarts makes up a ridiculously under-rated amount of how good you are as opposed to practice, I believe
I'm just curious on how people think why Pro's are Pro's beyond the actual strategies/mechanics, as the strategies/mechanics only came after the thought that resulted in said them.
Or did I just blow your fucking mind
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tbh studying physics has nothing to do with sc2 lol. idra is at the level he is because he has been playing the game for 8+ years
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I absolutely agree that some people are naturally more equipped to do certain things, it is an undeniable part of our neurology. Many like to shout and claim that no people have a natural advantage when playing complex games like Starcraft 2 becuse that would breed an inherent imbalance to certain players.
Biased perspective aside, for certain there are factors that allow players to be naturally better at certain things than others. There may not be a specific mindset bred for gaming as it is an inherently unnatural thing but think of people who are slightly better at mathematical concepts than others, think of those who are naturally better at sport, think of those who seem to have a greater grasp of the English language.
Some people pick up concepts faster than others.
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My seventeen year old brother can beat me in SC2, and I'm working on my third math-related degree. I don't think mathematical and spatial reasoning are nearly as important as working your ass off and being extremely dedicated and motivated. He just plays a shitload more than me.
Also, you cited one example of a science/ math SC2 player. Another is Polt (biology iirc)... but iNcontroL was an English guy, and Nony is philosophy I think.
And no, you didn't just blow my fucking mind.
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I understand a lot of this game by computer science/engineering concepts I learned in school, and I've been stuck in diamond unable to get less awful for years. Go figure!
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People have talent for things, other people dont have those talents. Look at Lebron James or Kevin Durant, what makes them different from the million other kids who wanted to go to the NBA... well for starters Lebron won the genetic lottery but overall theyre just talented, thats it.
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I don't like when people over think things. Jimi Hendrix didn't become one of the best guitar players of all time because he was born with the talent to make him the best. He became the best because of the hundreds of thousand hours of practice and dedication.
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some people have a talent for things, on the other hand, you have the entire teamliquid team.
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people are affected by their genes and the environments in which they have grown up in and continue to grow in
thus people have different abilities to excel in SC2 in varying degrees of success in different kinds of ways
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If you read one of the newer interviews with bisu and fantasy, they themselves say they are so good at bw because the put in the time and dedication, not because of their cognitive aptitude or whatever.
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this is an interesting proposal but i think like all other professional athletes what it really comes down to is a natural aptitude for a key skill (lets say multitasking) and then a passion for something that supercedes all normal peoples love for the game. these pros would not risk thier futures for something if they didnt love they game that is by far the most important commonality between all pros playing SC2 (or any sport/eSport) is incredible love and passion for the game
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On June 19 2012 12:45 psychotics wrote:
this is an interesting proposal but i think like all other professional athletes what it really comes down to is a natural aptitude for a key skill (lets say multitasking) and then a passion for something that supercedes all normal peoples love for the game. these pros would not risk thier futures for something if they didnt love they game that is by far the most important commonality between all pros playing SC2 (or any sport/eSport) is incredible love and passion for the game
100 % accurate
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I think it's less about who is naturally better than another and more about who knows how to learn and how to constantly improve.
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its how hard you work period. instead of theorey crafting life just ask any of them besides lastshaddow and they will say hours and hours make a good player
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Actually I think the reason IdrA is so good at SC2 is because he was so good at BW, but thats just me I guess. Maybe a lot of SC2 players don't know the trials and tribulations of what IdrA went through when he was playing BW. I think that had a much larger effect on his game play than what he was studying, although i'm sure that had an effect on it as well.
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Think of everyone like cups. Some are big and some are small. Think of practice like putting water in the cup. If you practice more you will fill your cup more. But there comes a point where if a big cup and small cup were to practice the same, the big cup would keep filling up and the little cup would hit its peak and overflow. People don't like to admit it, but there are people who are inherently better than them and no amount of practice will make up for it. You could still get more water in your cup that someone with a big cup, but thats because you spent more time than them. Thats what confuses people when it comes to being good.
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the in game economy isn't exactly tangible :/
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There are definitely Pros that are naturally better at certain things. But I don't think that really crosses over into the example you gave.
And IdrA is good as macro because he's been playing the game so damn long.
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On June 19 2012 13:09 InfernoStarcraft wrote:
the in game economy isn't exactly tangible :/
... What? lol! Whatever you say.
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Just look at the UC Berkley student that was at the last MLG, he gets good grades at an Ivy League school and made it pretty damn far in the open bracket for someone that's only been competitively (1 month of training) for a short time.
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