EPTIsn't there a list of possible setups?
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I'll give you my opinion on this policy from my experience as scum the previous game. Mafia doesn't have to lie without very specific reasons like claims. You will be able to find contradictions and mistakes in townie play aswell, I found plenty of them and used them to make cases against townies. But when a weird townie guy claimed DT for no reason and claimed one of ours to be scum, mafia had to counterclaim and openly lie, which bit our team in the arse within a few hours.
What we don't want of policy talk is: People starting to discuss whether it's good or bad in a way that you end up having one page of policy discussion. What we want is: People saying yes/no to certain policies AND BEING SURE OF THEMSELVES, then giving reasons for their attitude. And then we want others not starting to pick on the points the people wrote, but posting their own!That way town will have a quick overview of general consensus about policies, have them out of the way for the following days, and can start scumhunting for real without wasting further time on policy talk. We have to restrict scum's options regarding policies, cases, activity. They have to take responsibility for what they write. What we don't want is: People who start writing cases on others who already are in the center of attention. This is a great opportunity for scum to blend in. This is where bussing happens when the real scum can't escape that center of attention. To find mafiavibes, try to look at posts from a point of view where you have almost all the information. tl;dr: Pro lynch all lurkers, against lynch all liars, not gonna throw around FoS like crazy at the start of the game, townies react to that with quick OMGUS, since they know of their own alignment and feel threatened unjustly (mafia can act the same if they are experienced I guess). Try to post cases on people who aren't in trouble aswell. Don't give mafia that chance to blend in. | ||
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On June 25 2012 20:23 Esspen wrote: But I believe we should try to identify and lynch blues first, confusing mafia and leaving them vulnerable... Wat  You crazy? | ||
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I think the focus has to switch to the less active posters (NrGmonk, AegonC, roflwaffle55y, Esspen). Consider the amount of content, not just the amount of posts. I'll give you my opinions regarding the lurkers, I hope it's gonna help you in making a decision on which one to lynch. If someone of the would-be-modkilled lurkers just posts and votes shortly before the lynch without a damn good reason to do so, we should obviously lynch him. I think it's good to have a consensus on this alternative, I would appreciate if townies expressed their approval if they agree with this. NrGMonk: Gonna vote for him if he posts right before deadline to escape the modkill. AegonC: Doesn't offer any reads with his generic minipost. His priority is next to NrG's. Esspen: Kinda weird posts. He posts first when it's about discussing the lynch all liars policy. What strikes me here is that he questions the policy, but concludes the post with his line about lynching blues and confusing scum. That might have been a slip.His next post says it was intentional, and he immediately uses that explanation to put his FoS on Release. He never took a hard stance during this, he never tried to post a case on Release when he had reason to. And then he completely forgets Release in his last post, to 'completely agree' with Keirathi and hopeless1der about the lurker lynch policy. Saying that he would be a too obvious mafia isn't a valid defense for me either, mafia can be obvious if the players make mistakes, and I still don't buy above blue role lynch mistake as intentional. It might have been, but that'd be very risky play by a townie. roflwaffle55: He comments on policy (lynch > NL), doesn't like Release style of posting, promises more contribution after sleeping. Him commenting negatively on Release very early looks townie to me. I wouldn't vote for him instead of the other three as of now. | ||
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According to BassInSpace, roflwaffle55 bandwagoned with the Release criticism. I took a look at his post again, and it's true. It's a very soft criticism too. Actually a mistake by me in calling it an early post. There were FoS on Release out already at that point when rofl made his first post. With this, I have no reason to believe he might be town yet. I still find Esspen's behavior to be strange, and I wouldn't be able to choose between him and rofl decisively yet. Esspen on the other hand posted more, but has one potential slip. Since NrG announced himself and two of the lurkers are hard to choose from, I'll simply place my vote on AegonC and await further developments/good posts. | ||
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Esspen follows Hopeless1der with a case. I think initially it was good by Hopeless to get BioSC out of his cover, but I'm not liking the followup. Points of accusation against Bio are the lurking and the lack of content in his posts before he had to defend. He sure should be subject to discussion and I am not sure what to think of him yet. He has yet to post some reads. But just skipping over his defense that he stopped lurking isn't ok imo. You are just giving other lurkers more options to keep lurking if you only have 1 target you're still accusing for lurking after he unlurked. I would rather like Bio posting good cases to prove that he's valuable to town rather than having him defend himself when he already did. | ||
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On June 27 2012 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote: Its also a plurality lynch: Whoever has the most votes in a given day gets lynched. Does not require majority. This also means that I am currently on the chopping block. Keep an eye out for bandwagoners. I'm highlighting this for the guys who say they vote for the majority cause they fear No lynch (hey, Esspen). No Lynch isn't possible here, you will only vote for the ones you truly believe to be mafia, and not try to hide behind the majority. If you do vote hiding behind a majority, it will come back to haunt you cause it's scummy. | ||
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We had policy lynch discussion just at the beginning of the game where the general consensus seemed to be lynch all lurkers. I have yet to see one guy who says that we should lynch lurkers in absence of clear scumtells. And yet there are people voting for all sorts of people except for AegonC, the biggest lurker (looks like there's gonna be lots to be replaced tho). Did I miss any decisive scumtells out there? | ||
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I might try to switch the vote to roflwaffles at this point, but to be honest I don't know what the right choice would be atm. I'll go by guts feeling and vote rofl tho. That's what I initally wanted: Get rid of a lurker, and hopeless doesn't look scummy enough to me. | ||
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On June 27 2012 09:00 Hopeless1der wrote: Man...and esspen just finished saying he felt he shouldn't vote for me. Yeah, Esspen's posts remind me a little of a certain guy in my last game. A bit confused and full of holes. | ||
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If one of them is scum, the other most likely is, too. With the current information available, I would go for one of them. Also remember that posting cases during the night can make you a target for scum. Speaking of it, I think I'm the designed nightkill simply cause noone suspected me yet. Townies who are believed to be townies are dangerous for scum, and I didn't see any blue role vibes for them to use yet, so they don't have many alternatives. | ||
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Didn't see any happen yet since that low activity start. | ||
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On June 27 2012 23:47 Release wrote: So myself, rofles, and bio? (for clarification) I think the self-pity attitude is silly. Strong cases make you the target for scum. gtg. What self-pity attitude?Just writing what I think. And I think I am a clean target for scum, if Esspen and rofl aren't. If they are, killing me might cause a pretty sure lynch of one of them (assuming town is rational). But even if I don't die, I'll still be pushing for a lynch of these two based on the information we got so far. I'm actually not suspecting you, Release, cause you still have your style that makes it hard to play scum, although you seem to be busy cause of studies. You have been targetted hard at the beginning for that style and now went for a less aggressive one. If you are scum, the metagame forces you to play like that, but once you manage to survive the beginning, you may change your style, so I can't believe you to be 100 % townie. Atm I would vote for roflwaffle55 or Esspen. I'm not sure about Bio, but it seems to be untypical for scum to push cases like that. I don't like his initial posts for lack of content though. He started becoming very active once suspected by hopeless. I won't give him an absolution yet. I have quite a list of people I believe to be townie, but I prefer to keep it to myself during this night and focus on those I believe to be scum. | ||
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If we kill Esspen and he is townie, then JingleHell can be anything. If we kill Jinglehell and he is scum, then Esspen is either scum or a misled townie with confusing playstyle. If we kill Jinglehell and he is town, then Esspen probably isn't scum cause scum would have known Jinglehell (roflwaffle55) was town, and wouldn't have had to vote like that. I still find these options to be risky overall, so I went on with looking at other information: Let's have a look at the nightkill, scum has to be sloppy to use it to kill people suspecting them openly. They would rather use nightkills to cast suspicion upon others. However, in this case, Release had a lot of interesting interactions at the start: -He was the first to suspect Hopeless1der -dNa was the first to suspect Release -immediately after, Keirathi put his FoS on him aswell based on the same argument dNa used (using votes so early isn't good, they said.) + Show Spoiler + Ok, I got suspicious about Keirathi here, so I had a quick look at his filter, and -Keirathi tried to put doubt on the most active townie soon and only after another one did. -He doesn't post anything suspicious about Release on his own, instead he tries to encourage more policy discussion. When he's done with that, he suddenly drops his Release FoS cause 'he's putting himself too much into the limelight for a townie'. After dropping the FoS, he immediately follows other townies into the attention switch onto Esspen. Keirathi: Bandwagony, really weak contributions, tries to blend in, keeps activity to a minimum. - JieXian posted a case against Release. - After the lynch, Release called out BioSC for his criticism of high activity. No real threat for Bio here yet. Then, he got killed. I'd like to hear some more regarding Release's death and especially Keirathi. Latter has a very passive, safe playstyle, the mafiavibes are strong with this one. FoS: Keirathi | ||
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But I prefer a Keirathi lynch cause of the scummy behavior and the low attention on him right now. | ||
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