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Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 16 2012 23:05 GMT
#16
/obs please! GL you sexy newbies you!
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 23 2012 12:55 GMT
#98
Hey kitaman, I wouldn't mind /replacing into this game.

NMM XVII should be finishing soon. If I were to become a replacement, would you have to boot me from the Obs QT? I'd be ok with that.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 24 2012 19:09 GMT
#120
+ Show Spoiler +
Fuck, Release is already on to me.


My Night 0 case on Release:
OMGUS, OMGUS, OMGUS etc.

Oh, and he makes my life hell when I'm scum Lynch him first please.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 28 2012 06:44 GMT
#308
Hey guys, just got back from work. Thanks for the warm welcome. I'll be reading through the thread to get caught up on all the action that went down.

Let's hunt some scum.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 28 2012 22:53 GMT
#341
Alright, I finally got caught up on all the action in the thread. It was difficult reading because the entire early discussion was a giant clusterfuck of semantics. Rather frustrating because I think the current cases against Vivax and BioSC are pretty good. I still need to reread the thread a few times, but here are the things that jumped out to me about their play:

First up is Vivax. Just take a look at some of these posts.
Esspen voted for hopeless when rofl was set to lynch, as already mentioned.

If one of them is scum, the other most likely is, too. With the current information available, I would go for one of them.

Also remember that posting cases during the night can make you a target for scum.
Speaking of it, I think I'm the designed nightkill simply cause noone suspected me yet. Townies who are believed to be townies are dangerous for scum, and I didn't see any blue role vibes for them to use yet, so they don't have many alternatives.

He first broaches the topic of lynching for information.
Regarding JingleHell vs Esspen: I think lynching Jinglehell would give us more information. Esspen might very well just be a sloppy player.

But I prefer a Keirathi lynch cause of the scummy behavior and the low attention on him right now.

He continues with the idea of lynching for information. Also he is for a lynch of Keirathi because Keirathi doesn't have a lot of attention on him right now.
JieXian, you posted this earlier. Don't you support the gain of information from a lynch of either Esspen or the roflewaffle55 replacement?

Right now two are pushing a case against me, one of them might be scum, and you prefer to suspect Bio.
While I don't trust Bio entirely cause of Release's connection to him and his following death, it would be nice if town could focus and handle single cases instead of making so many at once, and atm my case and the Esspen vs rofl one are unsolved and need feedback.

Lynching for information... again!!! Let me outline the motivations for town. Town wants to lynch scum. That's it. Scum want to entice town not to lynch them so they throw out tempting points such as to lynch "for information" or "to gain a clearer picture of the town." These are not town motives for a lynch. These are really scummy.

Further points against him:
- He's been extremely wishy-washy with his reads, especially in regards to Esspen. Notice how lately he's switched to full on attacking Esspen, when before he had posted this.
What's the matter? You wanna say that the lynch all lurkers policy is bad? If they're gonna be replaced/modkilled, then yes.
But else, it's a policy that doesn't allow people to sit back, be it lazy townies or passive scum.

I still am insecure regarding you and Esspen

Show nested quote +
I still find these options to be risky overall



After all you just entered the game, so I went on with scumhunting, and Keirathi is on the list for scummy behavior right now. You aren't ony my list cause of OMGUS, i suspected roflwaffle55/you before you even posted against me.

It seems like he's just throwing suspicion out there when it's useful for him to deflect pressure.
- In the last game I played with Vivax (NMM XV, he was town) he posted his reads early and often. He had a confidence in his reads on players that almost bordered on foolishness. This game most of his reads have been extremely wishy-washy.

That's all the time I have right now. I'll post my opinions on BioSC when I get the time. For now I think the case on Vivax is a pretty slam-dunk case and I will support it. If things go my way I would like to lynch Vivax this day cycle, BioSC the next, and continue the hunt for the 3rd and final scummy player later. I'll be voting Vivax today.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 29 2012 00:43 GMT
#345
Oops messed up one of the quotes in my last post.

This + Show Spoiler +
Further points against him:
- He's been extremely wishy-washy with his reads, especially in regards to Esspen. Notice how lately he's switched to full on attacking Esspen, when before he had posted this.
What's the matter? You wanna say that the lynch all lurkers policy is bad? If they're gonna be replaced/modkilled, then yes.
Show nested quote +
But else, it's a policy that doesn't allow people to sit back, be it lazy townies or passive scum.

I still am insecure regarding you and Esspen
I still find these options to be risky overall


After all you just entered the game, so I went on with scumhunting, and Keirathi is on the list for scummy behavior right now. You aren't ony my list cause of OMGUS, i suspected roflwaffle55/you before you even posted against me.

It seems like he's just throwing suspicion out there when it's useful for him to deflect pressure.
- In the last game I played with Vivax (NMM XV, he was town) he posted his reads early and often. He had a confidence in his reads on players that almost bordered on foolishness. This game most of his reads have been extremely wishy-washy.

That's all the time I have right now. I'll post my opinions on BioSC when I get the time. For now I think the case on Vivax is a pretty slam-dunk case and I will support it. If things go my way I would like to lynch Vivax this day cycle, BioSC the next, and continue the hunt for the 3rd and final scummy player later. I'll be voting Vivax today.
should read like this. + Show Spoiler +
Further points against him:
- He's been extremely wishy-washy with his reads, especially in regards to Esspen. Notice how lately he's switched to full on attacking Esspen, when before he had posted this.
Show nested quote +
What's the matter? You wanna say that the lynch all lurkers policy is bad? If they're gonna be replaced/modkilled, then yes.
But else, it's a policy that doesn't allow people to sit back, be it lazy townies or passive scum.

I still am insecure regarding you and Esspen
I still find these options to be risky overall


After all you just entered the game, so I went on with scumhunting, and Keirathi is on the list for scummy behavior right now. You aren't ony my list cause of OMGUS, i suspected roflwaffle55/you before you even posted against me.


It seems like he's just throwing suspicion out there when it's useful for him to deflect pressure.
- In the last game I played with Vivax (NMM XV, he was town) he posted his reads early and often. He had a confidence in his reads on players that almost bordered on foolishness. This game most of his reads have been extremely wishy-washy.

That's all the time I have right now. I'll post my opinions on BioSC when I get the time. For now I think the case on Vivax is a pretty slam-dunk case and I will support it. If things go my way I would like to lynch Vivax this day cycle, BioSC the next, and continue the hunt for the 3rd and final scummy player later. I'll be voting Vivax today.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 29 2012 01:00 GMT
#346
Let's take a look at what dNa just said:
---snip
The reason why i vote for Esspen and not for JingleHell is that, Esspen's posts overall are just confusing, not really helpful, and even if all my suspicions on them were wrong and they really would be townies, he seems the better guy to lose of them.

Not good reasoning. We're here to lynch scum, not confusing/suboptimal players. dNa's reasoning reeks of scumminess. I think we just found our last scum guys. My plan is we lynch Vivax today, BioSC tomorrow, and dNa the next, though I really don't care about the order. Any takers?

Another scummy point for Vivax:
- He's been pretty content to sit back and just pressure lurkers. This is another deviation from his town play in NMM XV. I'd imagine a town Vivax would put a bit more effort into cases against active players. Pushing for a lurker lynch is a really non-confrontational move. Tralalala, obvious scum is obvious.

Since Esspen has come under heavy fire, here's a town point in his favor.
In case Vivax (i know i said i believe both BioSC and Vivax are scums, but more people seem to dislike Vivax) won't seem to get lynched this day I have two propositions:
1: you lynch me and if I turn out to be townie, you lynch Vivax
2: you lynch Vivax and if he turns out to be townie, you lynch me

He's either making a ballsy scum move, or this is extremely pro-town. Offering to take the lynch in order to confirm that your reads are made in good faith isn't a move most scum would think of IMO. If the assumptions I've made on our scumteam are wrong, then I'll rethink taking Esspen up on his offer. I've got to take a rather long trip, my case on BioSC will have to wait for a little while.

I'm feeling pretty good about this game
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 29 2012 01:20 GMT
#348
Quick thought before I leave. Vivax said this.
There is one thing I did that is pretty failsafe proof of my townie status. I'll post it in the second half of day 2.

If you think you are a good townie, then you should have found it already. At least now town will know that there is at least one scum jumping on the bandwagon against me, and scum might even have started it.

There is no such thing as failsafe proof in Mafia. The fact that Vivax is waiting to post his proof is HUGE evidence against him. Town needs as much time to process information as possible because we're dealing with a lack of information. It's pretty clear that we're set on lynching Vivax today so any information he can give us would help and yet he waits. The fact that he's waiting to post (I'm guessing a breadcrumb/blue claim) is really unhelpful to town. I think he's waiting so that town doesn't have enough time to process his "huge reveal" and might knee-jerk a voteswitch off of him.

@ Jinglehell
What do you think of dNa's reasoning for his Esspen vote? Pretty scummy right?
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 29 2012 21:08 GMT
#438
Ok, I'm catching up on the thread again, but this is really starting to piss me off.

How does anyone have a read on rofls/JingleHell? roflwaffles had to replace himself out, so he really was busy. This is neither evidence for or against JingleHell. The case against him is bullshit. Just calling him how I see it.

The only thing Esspen has been guilty of in my eyes is being a weak/confusing player. In no way does that make him scum, but it does make him a good target for scum to tunnel. That is why Vivax is scummy.

How do people not see that Vivax's "lynching for information" is one of the biggest scumtells in the book? I don't believe his DT claim, not for a second. His play has been incredibly scummy and I will not stop pressuring him until he is lynched.

@ Vivax
I was never in the Obs QT. Being a replacement I was not allowed in.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 29 2012 21:34 GMT
#444
You guys, Vivax's DT claim is one of the scummiest DT claims I've ever seen. He pushes for a Keirathi lynch even when he has a red check on JingleHell. He is scum, and he is obvious scum. If we don't lynch him, it will be one of the worst town plays I've ever seen. He has slipped and it's been obvious. Please, please, please lynch this guy.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 29 2012 21:42 GMT
#452
@ NrGmonk
Please dude. Vote for Vivax.

Here's why I think JingleHell isn't scum. Roflwaffles was attacked almost entirely for lurking D1. He was actually busy, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten himself replaced. Ever since JingleHell got into the thread he's been posting reads with confidence. He's been contributing. He's been doing everything you could ask of a town player.

We are holding roflwaffles play against JingleHell, even though roflwaffles was definitely busy. This case is complete shit. It holds no water.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 29 2012 21:55 GMT
#457
Vivax's DT claim is so fake it just got a boob job. If people can't see that, there is no chance that town wins this game.

I haven't had much time to put into this game. I should have more during the night cycle. I'll be much more active then.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 29 2012 21:59 GMT
#458
@ NrGmonk
He switched his vote right before the lynch. It didn't do anything considering Esspen had voted 7 minutes prior. The fact that he is so self-aware of this "proof" is evidence against him IMO. I think he just wanted to make a bold play as proof of his townieness, but he's not.

@ Vivax
I really hope you're scum, because if you really are DT your play has been terrible.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 29 2012 22:59 GMT
#478
Keirathi, the question doesn't come down to "what does town lose if player X is telling the truth." It comes down to who you think is scum. The fact that you acknowledge that there is a decent case against him but you does not reflect well on your alignment. Here is why I'm voting Vivax over JingleHell: Vivax's play has been incredibly scummy, JingleHell's has not. It's that simple.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 29 2012 23:02 GMT
#480
EBWOP: "The fact that you acknowledge that there is a decent case against him but you don't vote for him does not reflect well on your alignment."
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
June 29 2012 23:03 GMT
#481
Thank you for switching your vote NrGmonk. I'm pretty sure you made the right move. When this is all said and done, I owe you some pleasure time
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
July 01 2012 08:56 GMT
#541
GG guys. I was going to post my reads before the Day post, but work got in the way

Sorry I wasn't able to contribute more. GL Town!
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
July 03 2012 03:22 GMT
#682
Thanks for the analysis Kita. I was planning on writing up a case against Bio but work ended up getting in the way and I didn't have time.

If Vivax hadn't DT claimed and just played standard VT, Bio was next on my list and I would have put more effort into hunting him. I think a Bio lynch D2 could have won us the game considering how much more information a scum lynch gives the town.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
July 03 2012 03:42 GMT
#685
On July 03 2012 12:22 JingleHell wrote:
We actually thought you were DT, with a check on me. That's why you got the bullet.

Since we knew I would show green to a check, we figured that's why you were so vehemently on my side during D2's wreck.

I just didn't think much of the case against you. Roflwaffles hadn't been very active and you came into the thread with an opinion I agreed with. Vivax's "lynching for information" posts seemed really scummy to me and his case against you felt like OMGUS. Kudos to you for entering the game with a bit of a fire under your belly. It made you look really townie and it threw off my reads.

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