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Mufaa
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Anacletus is definitely my number 1 scum read ATM but it's very early still and reading old TL newbie games our towns have a nasty habbit of lynching bad townies who really don't give away any info first day. And obviously first day mafia lynch would be astronomical for us, remember that the game is balanced around a night 1 mislynch. We can still get great info from a mislynch but we have to be smart about it and pressure people into making better posts. As it stands I've seen a lot of good initial concerns being brought up followed by other people agreeing or taking a side without contributing that much to the discussion. As a town, we shouldn't want that because what if both reads are wrong? We have then wasted nearly all of day 1 focusing on two people and all we'll have confirmed dead townie and a split on who defended each person. I'm not saying I think both Tofu and Ana are confirmed town, but we need to be diligent about forcing everyone to contribute. As far as I know any of you could be scum and I hope you guys share a similar opinion until we can get some content out of people to get some good reads going. | ||
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Mufaa
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On May 11 2012 08:32 Anacletus wrote: [/b]You're required to vote - so I am putting my vote on someone who has no other votes - I'm just leaving it as a placeholder in case I forget later. How is that suspicious at all man....what the hell are you on about.... >_> Makes sense, but FYI you didn't actually vote for unforgiven. Instead of unvote you did unvite so I don't think your change will be counted. I figured after getting called out for editing you'd pay closer attention to your posts. For claiming to be pro-town these things(edit & failed voting) do nothing but benefit the mafia through ambiguity if you really are town. So why should we believe you're town if you can't take the extra 30 secs to proof your posts? Why shouldn't we assume the failed vote was you attempting to hide your focus on Tofu while ensuring that when you got called out you had a fallback ready by just saying oops? | ||
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Mufaa
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On May 11 2012 11:45 dahdum wrote: Here are my reads and yes I know this is partially a rehash of events. --Scummy List - -- Most To Least Analectus - No point summarizing so far, chief suspect. Actually votes for himself after attempting to throw his vote away without reason, and says "I never said I was protown". Not acting like town. Hyaach - Bandwagons, no pressure at all. Urges caution. Scummy. BioSC - Highly defensive, focuses on Analectus. Darkfirex5 - Keeps cautioning against bandwagons and voting too early, sounds like scum trying to defend Analectus. Last post says he's voting against Unforgiven but then botches the vote for Analectus? Crossfire99 - Obsessed with Analectus, doesn't discuss anyone else. BKE - Not providing reads, only a semi-baseless vote which helped get the game going. Talks about scum will do and urges caution. Scummy. Jailbreaker - Worried about people pressuring too much, defensive, not contributing reads, promises something soon. Mufaa - Very few posts but cites RL reason and reiterates basic strategy. Jumps on Analectus for technicality, contributes no reads on anyone else. Austinmcc - Rightly pressures Analectus for his "i don't have much to add" vote, continues to lay one the pressure but never calls him out as scum or gives any real reads/analysis. FirmTofu - Defends the bandwagon well, placing reasonable pressure on Analectus. Compared to last game he seems more thoughtful however, so I'm suspicious of that. ShiaoPi - Jumps on Hyaach, lots of analysis. The huge post is somewhat indicative of a scum play, but I concur with his picks (Analectus/Hyaach) so far. I wouldn't say I was only reiterating basic strategy. Although yes, I was pointing out something "basic" the town isn't following that basic principle and it is clearly hurting us. Once I get home I'll give you the analytic reads you want, but its pointless to make a case after half a day because there is so much more to be said by everyone. What might be a great case now can change in a heartbeat if someone makes a slip that lets us piece shit together better later. Like you said in you | ||
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Mufaa
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On May 11 2012 11:45 dahdum wrote: Here are my reads and yes I know this is partially a rehash of events. --Scummy List - -- Most To Least Analectus - No point summarizing so far, chief suspect. Actually votes for himself after attempting to throw his vote away without reason, and says "I never said I was protown". Not acting like town. Hyaach - Bandwagons, no pressure at all. Urges caution. Scummy. BioSC - Highly defensive, focuses on Analectus. Darkfirex5 - Keeps cautioning against bandwagons and voting too early, sounds like scum trying to defend Analectus. Last post says he's voting against Unforgiven but then botches the vote for Analectus? Crossfire99 - Obsessed with Analectus, doesn't discuss anyone else. BKE - Not providing reads, only a semi-baseless vote which helped get the game going. Talks about scum will do and urges caution. Scummy. Jailbreaker - Worried about people pressuring too much, defensive, not contributing reads, promises something soon. Mufaa - Very few posts but cites RL reason and reiterates basic strategy. Jumps on Analectus for technicality, contributes no reads on anyone else. Austinmcc - Rightly pressures Analectus for his "i don't have much to add" vote, continues to lay one the pressure but never calls him out as scum or gives any real reads/analysis. FirmTofu - Defends the bandwagon well, placing reasonable pressure on Analectus. Compared to last game he seems more thoughtful however, so I'm suspicious of that. ShiaoPi - Jumps on Hyaach, lots of analysis. The huge post is somewhat indicative of a scum play, but I concur with his picks (Analectus/Hyaach) so far. I wouldn't say I was only reiterating basic strategy. Although yes, I was pointing out something "basic" the town isn't following that basic principle and it is clearly hurting us. I'll give you the analytic reads you want tomorrow, but its pointless to make a case after half a day because there is so much more to be said by everyone. What might be a great case now can change in a heartbeat if someone makes a slip that lets us piece shit together better later. Like you said in your own defense of your list you need debates and opinions. Giving reads focuses on tunneling someone and provides an easy outlet for mafia to hide behind a consensus whereas if you are just questioning individual actions and statements, their answers provide material to analyze their style and make a case closer to the deadline. On May 11 2012 10:22 dahdum wrote: [/b]Actually I think it makes very poor sense and he is even more suspicious for it. He's essentially saying "I'd like to throw my vote away, I might not bother to vote again later so I definitely don't want it to matter". That's a scum move. I would like to point out with this that although it is fishy, this is by no means a scum move. A lot of beginner games go like this (based off of reading the mafiascum wiki) where early on everyone random votes just to make sure they are counted in case something happens while some people don't understand why then follow up by random voting themselves halfway through the day. His explanation for the vote is much more important than the vote itself this early. On May 11 2012 10:58 Darkfirex5 wrote: Well though i still think Anecletus seems the scummiest, but he does make a... point i guess about BioSC id need more proof though than to change my vote to him, ill keep it in mind when reading his posts. I still find this a weak bandwagon forming as i stated before, does anyone want to respond to my post before? (feeling ignored D: ) I'm assuming you | ||
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Mufaa
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anyway, Dark: I feel like my first real post explained my thoughts on it, but I'll reiterate. Bandwagoning is bad, I agree, but we (the town) have to be active in forcing the bad posters to improve their posting or else we can't really stop it. If that means we have to mislynch n1 so be it, but we need to set a precedent that it isn't accepted. Makes it much easier for the mafia to hide. I still think Ana will flip town if we lynch him. Yes he's very scummy, but its so scummy its hard to believe that a mafia would play that bad. He might as well come out and say he's mafia and just get modkilled at the current rate. Feels kind of like bad town to me, I'm still on the fence about it though. At this point I'd back a lynch on him, but that's very hesitant. I mostly want to see him step up his game. | ||
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Mufaa
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Austin's point about how even if Ana is scum he's lost so much credibility he can't make a push on someone d2. If he doesn't improve his play we might have to take him out later, but right now if we lynch him we won't gain any real info. Everyone has been on to him at some point, so if he flips town we gain almost nothing from this since his posts lack any content. If he flips scum the scum would lose a player, but that honestly might help them if he really is scum and is playing like this. If we lynch someone else and they flip town, we can see who has been focused on them, who stayed out of the discussion on that person and we at least have some good info to discuss over d2. The odds are just as good of anyone else flipping scum, so I would rather flip someone who would give us info instead of giving scum the option to hide behind the excuse that Ana was such a bad townie, how could everyone not vote for him. I think BroodKingEXE needs to post some content instead of one liners and just agreeing with people as it comes off scummy, but he isn't my first choice at the moment. Jailbreaker- Why haven't you posted in the last 3 and a half pages? You commented early on about how much aggression there was but you haven't made a single case, even hinted at having a read, or contributed to the town in any way. Why are you so content to just sit back and watch everyone else debate with the deadline so close? ##Vote Jailbreaker This isn't a permanent vote. I think Jailbreaker is the best lynch so far. If no one else feels this way, I will swing my vote to BroodKingEXE to get some info from the lynch as I do think his actual content will give us something to compare to everyone else d2 once we see his flip. | ||
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Mufaa
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On May 12 2012 06:52 ShiaoPi wrote: Looking at Anacletus' later posts we could take a guess and say he is a townie who played bad. Especially for Mafia he is worthless right now due to his 0 town cred. Regarding BroodkingEXE, I guess I already said that he is either scum or blue. The case pushed by Mufaa is Jailbreaker, who is for sure another player high on the scum list, but there is also too little to make of him and I do not believe it warrants a lynch. Other suspects have posted little so really making a solid case against them is hard, especially within ~1 hour. So in the end I guess we are still left with the question to lynch either Anacletus or BroodkingExe. I should probably stop rambling now and wait for your thoughts on it. Let me clarify my vote. I wasn't making a concerted push on Jailbreaker. I was hoping others would follow suit to put some pressure on him and force some content before the deadline. 45 til the deadline and only 3 real posts w/ no vote means he's probably gonna get modkilled or warned so it won't matter either way. Still I don't like the idea of letting someone lurk the entire day. Since Jailbreaker seems out that really only leaves a choice between bkexe and Ana. I don't think ana's flip will tell us anything other than his alignment so I'm going to vote bkexe just to not waste d1. ##Vote BroodKingEXE | ||
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Mufaa
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Mufaa
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On May 12 2012 08:37 austinmcc wrote: What was the outcome for Jailbreaker? I'd like to know too. Until we know the verdict I think we should assume he was mod killed since there isn't anything to go with on him. If we learn he was just warned or nothing happened he needs a damn good reason for lurking all day. Overall we need the quality of the posts and analysis to improve(myself included). Rereading the thread now with the new info. I'll get my thoughts up in a bit. | ||
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Mufaa
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On May 12 2012 11:32 Darkfirex5 wrote: I guess no one listened to me about the switch of the bandwagon with no solid evidence compared to the "safer" bet with Anacletus, I'll be going over the people who switch vote, i gtg for now but i believe i saw a mafia group bandwagoning to get it started. <-- ill be looking into that What was "safer" about lynching someone whose play is so bad he's a pariah to everyone? All that would tell me is that the town is capable of identifying basic scum signs. Although it really sucks we just killed a blue, he could have claimed to prevent that. While by linking Brood we gained much more info to base our future lynches off of. Multiple people (myself included) felt Ana's play had to be town because no mafia would act scummy so brazenly. The only way we gain more from an Ana lynch is if he is metagaming us so hard but based off of reading past newbie games every scenario I've seen like this has resulted in a mislynch. Even if he is odds are he'll be lynched soon unless he improves drastically. One other thing I'd like to point out to everyone is don't be afraid to pressure people all day through your vote. This isn't majority lynch so you don't have to worry about voting then coming back to a lynch an hour later. It's a nice way to get content from everyone as well. | ||
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Mufaa
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On May 12 2012 20:36 ShiaoPi wrote: I do not think we should stop discussion at night. There is no reason to, yes mafia might make adjustments to their plans but so can our blues and it is better to die with night contributions, which might be good information for the survivors, than just silently. @Crossfire99: You really got some good points on Mufaa, but besides his inactivity and the math behind his vote there are not that much questionable actions/information on him. Mufaa mind sharing you thoughts on your vote? From the people I have called out there were responses by dahdum: + Show Spoiler + I stand by my vote on BKE, I've been at work so couldn't really go in depth on Anaclectus - but I still get that newbie town vibe. Bringing up BioSC was just reiterating the top of my list, it's also enjoyable how defensive he gets when mentioned. I'll make a full case when I'm ready. I'm not sold on anyone being confirmed, and we haven't gotten to true analysis stage. The odd thing is that you have tunnelled him all game long, but still feel that you are not ready to make a case against him. Why focus so much on him then? Maybe just to divert attention from Anacletus, while you still play it safe with voting for him? There is simply an inconsistency between time you spent on BioSC and real committment onto his case. Darkfirex5 also posted the following: + Show Spoiler + I guess no one listened to me about the switch of the bandwagon with no solid evidence compared to the "safer" bet with Anacletus, I'll be going over the people who switch vote, i gtg for now but i believe i saw a mafia group bandwagoning to get it started. <-- ill be looking into that Which means he is totally ignoring my post about him. Just a general statement of regret and a somehow flawed logic of a "safer bet". I believe we have quite established that Anacletus can easily be lynched later if the need arises. Anyone else up for pressuring him as well? Hyaach just believes me to be suspicious, I can assure you Hyaach that feeling is mutual. We probably should discuss BKE's thought as well. His last suspects were dahdum, mufaa and unforgiven. I suspect dahdum as well and have Mufaa on my radar now. I had at first not suspected unforgiven, but his posts during night make me slightly suspicious of him. First of this one: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 10:13 Unforgiven_ve wrote: I keep reading and reading and dont see anywhere how to get that information about "3 mafias" why are you so sure? Maybe it could be 4? 2 is too few and 5 too much, you wrote that whit so much security(sp?) and you started the wagon against BKW... tell me, why are you so sure about being 3 mafias? He grabs a tidbit of austinmcc about the mafiacount as an attempt maybe to discredit the case and the austin with it. I feel that this "evidence" is sorely lacking as it seems like quite the logical conclusion to say that there are 3 mafia. It could be the beginning of setting up austinmcc for lynch at day based on the mislynch of BKE. His other post is this one: I responded to his thought process at the beginning of this post so let's see what his motivation for it might have been: 1) Genuinly concerned about the possibility of the good reading players being sniped at night. 2) Attempt to quelch night discussion to stop town from gathering information. If we assume 1), follow the logic of the beginning of my post. We need information and night discussion also helps blue roles to maybe balance out the night actions of scum. There is no reason to stop discusssing! 2) actually makes sense if we consider unforgiven scum. Going through his filter again I saw some inconsistencies. First of all he has a low postcount. His suspectlist seems to be: Anacletus, Mufaa, jailbreaker, Crossfire99 and me. He does no further action against any of these. Concerning his actions around the BKE lynch his votepost is actually not too shabby: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 07:12 Unforgiven_ve wrote: I think anacletus did us not good playing the way he has, i want to belive its a mafia "strategy" but its just too risky(¿?), after reading austinmcc and seeing Anacletus doesnt represent a thread anymore (im sure this will strike us some other way in the future), if BKE flips blue/town as Shaopi says, we are at 0 again thanks to Anacletus. I repeat, i dont like to be guided this easily, but i see a case, i see reasons, and i see lack of response from the accused party. I have made up my mind after readin all posts and seeing RKE lacks of defense after the high pressure...also, this is golden Mufaa, it just raised my "interest" on you. + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 06:18 Mufaa wrote: Like I've been saying since my first post, I think Ana is bad town more than mafia. Every scummy thing he has done has been so scummy that if he was Mafia his partners would be berating him so bad he probably would have stopped posting instead of digging himself into this giant hole he's made. .... and i agree 100% on your jailbraker FOS as i stated hours before, pointing a friend maybe?... but i think we should wait a little more. ##Vote BroodKingEXE But between his last post, which was still in the Anacletus discussion and his first post about BKE are around 6 hours of time. It could naturally be due to timeconstraints so let's take a closer look on his votepost. There are a lot of general statements and sheeping of reasons. He goes on to stress his disdain for bandwagoning and throws in a suspicion of Mufaa without a good reason (at least to me. We all agree that Anacletus' play was terrible and Mufaa's statement is pretty common sense.). Of course these things are not enough for a case against unforgiven yet, but for now: ##FOS unforgiven_ve That does not mean that I am not following the others on my shortlist, but I believe we might have to look at him a lot more closely than before. Ok. I'm posting from my phone so I cant separate the quotes into chunks to make it more readable but I'll respond as best as I can. First paragraph: This is too situational of a thing to address during the night before we've seen a mafia NK. I'd prefer to stay out of the details til d2 because I don't want to give the mafia too much insight on the pros and cons of night debating. If there is sufficient demand I will post about it. Until day when it's safer to post about it, I'd echo the point about if you've had a good d1 keep posting because you're probably a mafia target. If you aren't hold off until morning unless you have such a solid case from the night info that your death would confirm a person or at least some of the people you're suspicious of as scum. 2nd Paragraph: as far as my Brood vote I was trying to wait for a more solid case to get behind due to my inability to really create a solid case from my phone. I hope people would be suspicious of my lack of cases but like I said before d1 ran the 48h during a time when work really shit on me. Back to the question of the vote, I was trying to wait for a better case (I didn't think he was blue, but I wasn't expecting a scum flip either) so the vote on Jailbreaker was to try and get people to put some pressure on him before the day ended. Although it didn't get the desired effect of forcing him to post it did get people to remember him instead of just writing his inactivity off as lurking. Once I saw that people weren't going to pressure him into responding and he wasn't going to respond I switched to Brood in case there were last minute changes. I was still checking my phone in case I did need to switch but I still feel a Brood lynch gave us more info. Obviously this wasn't the best plan and if Jail ends up getting mod killed it was all for naught and I generated a bunch of heat on me for nothing. I have nothing to hide however so I don't mind the pressure on me since it is generating discussion. I think the fact that I didn't sheep a vote to avoid pressure earlier and have been transparent about my thoughts and decisions should speak volumes about my intent. I'll address the other posts against me when I get a chance and give my thoughts in general. | ||
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Mufaa
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Going through the thread and filters now. I'll get a post up soon. | ||
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Mufaa
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Strongest reads for me so far are Dahdum and Darkfire. Dahdum + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 15:18 dahdum wrote: I'm on this wagon, for BKE's reason and the "I hope you aren't mafia" statement. Let's hear more from you Firm. ##Vote FirmTofu Dahdum's Early Game posts stood out to me. First he votes Tofu off of his early post to break the ice and a reason BKE prodivded. No content of his own really yet. Later on he says that he knows FirmTofu's style better than anyone else "We were in the last game together so I also have a better sense of his style than I do of the rest of you." To me this comes off a lot like Dahdum is either trying to establish his authority on FirmTofu so he can make a push on him later (Dahdum possibly scum in this case) or defend him (Possible scum buddies). + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 05:16 dahdum wrote: I'm at work so can't respond fully, but Tofu's response is reasonable and in line with what I expect from him as Town. So I am jumping on this new wagon, because reasons. ##Unvote ##Vote Anacletus On May 11 2012 06:58 dahdum wrote: Actually I believe I said because reasons. If we never get any wagons going, we never pressure mafia into having to take a vote/stance. I'm at work so I can't write long explanations, but since I 100% want somebody to die today, I'm fine voting for whomever the current scummiest is. No-lynch is not an option. These two quotes are what originally got me checking into Dahdum. First he votes for Anac saying "because reasons." He might as well post "because I feel like it" at that point. Then when he is called out on stating his reasoning as "because" he says "I said because reasons." There is absolutely no benefit for town by playing like this. Then he does explain his reasons for wanting bandwagons in general, butJailbreaker was asking about his reasons for the Anac bandwagon. His only other content is a bandwagon jump to BKE and a very weak case on BioSC. Darkfirex5 My suspicions of him aren't as strong, but I still have a few things I'm curious about. + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 13:10 Darkfirex5 wrote: Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia. He's suspicious of BioSC, who says town/they instead of us/we. While this is something of note while building a case it isn't enough to build a case on its own. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 06:43 Darkfirex5 wrote: sorry im a student so i have school, currently i think this is a weak bandwagon forming on Anacletus. While his defense is weak: Yet the first person to begin the voting on Anacletus was Hyaach, his reasoning seemed just as weak: The start of this "bandwagon" is begining to form off of this, though Anacletus did have a poor response which made him more suspicious the voting on him lacks solid reasoning. I bolded the part im talking about (didnt cut out any as to take something out of context^). Another thing now is that Tofu anounces the role of being a townie, and the reason (supposidly) why Anacletus targeted him was because he knew he was town (because he was mafia)? Now im questioning then why did he target you (tofu) only because you were town. Why initiate like that on a post that seemed insignifigant. I'm building suspicion on the reasoning for starting this bandwagon on Anacletus. Im still not placing a vote down yet but the starting reasonings for the votes lacks evidence and the follow up points (to me dont seem solid). Lastly: I was refering to why you said town gets a nice snipe instead of we are geting a nice snipe, i was only adding on some slight pressure on the begining, which was similar to other posts. The way you get very defensive and attack my one post only asking about your reference to town/mafia. FOS: BioSc From your posts folowing, i think less of you as being mafia, and more so townie, that doesnt mean i wont continue keeping an eye on you too. Now take this massive post Darkfire "contributed." The first 3/4 of it are on how this is a weak bandwagon case on Anac, with the last 1/4 on a wording dispute. From there he posts mostly fluff until this gem. On May 13 2012 12:30 Darkfirex5 wrote: well now we have a lot to work with at least, i guess ShiaoPi was onto something, time to avenge him :D How do you know ShiaoPi was on to something? Austin and Anac both offered easy suggestions to why the mafia voted the way they did other than that they wanted to silence the person was closest to discovering them (Silencing vocal townies to stiffle discussion,attempting to frame the people on his list, etc...). Why should we believe this was just a careless post and not a slip? | ||
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Mufaa
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Darkfirex5 My suspicions of him aren't as strong, but I still have a few things I'm curious about. + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 13:10 Darkfirex5 wrote: Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia. He's suspicious of BioSC, who says town/they instead of us/we. While this is something of note while building a case it isn't enough to build a case on its own. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 06:43 Darkfirex5 wrote: sorry im a student so i have school, currently i think this is a weak bandwagon forming on Anacletus. While his defense is weak: Yet the first person to begin the voting on Anacletus was Hyaach, his reasoning seemed just as weak: The start of this "bandwagon" is begining to form off of this, though Anacletus did have a poor response which made him more suspicious the voting on him lacks solid reasoning. I bolded the part im talking about (didnt cut out any as to take something out of context^). Another thing now is that Tofu anounces the role of being a townie, and the reason (supposidly) why Anacletus targeted him was because he knew he was town (because he was mafia)? Now im questioning then why did he target you (tofu) only because you were town. Why initiate like that on a post that seemed insignifigant. I'm building suspicion on the reasoning for starting this bandwagon on Anacletus. Im still not placing a vote down yet but the starting reasonings for the votes lacks evidence and the follow up points (to me dont seem solid). Lastly: I was refering to why you said town gets a nice snipe instead of we are geting a nice snipe, i was only adding on some slight pressure on the begining, which was similar to other posts. The way you get very defensive and attack my one post only asking about your reference to town/mafia. FOS: BioSc From your posts folowing, i think less of you as being mafia, and more so townie, that doesnt mean i wont continue keeping an eye on you too. Now take this massive post Darkfire "contributed." The first 3/4 of it are on how this is a weak bandwagon case on Anac, with the last 1/4 on a wording dispute. This would be ok with me, except that he voted for Anac and never switched off of him. From there he posts mostly fluff until this gem. On May 13 2012 12:30 Darkfirex5 wrote: well now we have a lot to work with at least, i guess ShiaoPi was onto something, time to avenge him :D How do you know ShiaoPi was on to something? Austin and Anac both offered easy suggestions to why the mafia voted the way they did other than that they wanted to silence the person was closest to discovering them (Silencing vocal townies to stiffle discussion,attempting to frame the people on his list, etc...). Why should we believe this was just a careless post and not a slip? The others I'm less suspicious of but I do have some questions for them I want to ask: BioSC- All game you've been defending yourself from reads people put on you, but your defense is always "I'm not doing mafia things, your read is invalid" or something along those lines. I'd be a lot more likely to believe you if you had contributed to finding scum at all instead of just defending yourself. Who do you think is most likely to be scum and what do you have to back it up? Hyaach- I've noticed you voted for Anac without much of an explination and you tunneled him through day1. Since then you've said you're suspicious of people but instead of providing cases, you never follow up or ask other people for their opinions on the matter. Somewhat suspicious to me and I'll be watching this. Crossfire- I'm not sure what I think of him yet. His reason for not switching to BKE was pretty solid but since then his only case has been on me for not leading a lynch on a townie when there were 2hrs left in d1. Would like to see some more content. FirmTofu- You jumped on the BKE lynch after austinmcc's post where he says "I think Broodking's responses to the pressure are much more telling than the actual initial pressure itself. austinmcc is completely right that Broodking is the scummiest person alive now." Now his most recent post d2 is questioning austinmcc for the mislynch and implying Anac and austinmcc are buddying without any real proof. I don't believe this, but it makes me wonder if you're mafia and supported the BKE lynch because you knew he was town and saw an easy d2 lynch in austin/Anac because you knew that bringing up austin's case would put pressure on austin for the mislynch. Like I said, I have nothing concrete to back that up, but it does make me suspicious of you. austinmcc- Even though he led the mislynch on BKE, his reasonings were sound and his posts have all been solid so far. I'll be watching but you seem town to me. | ||
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Mufaa
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Unforgiven_ve- No real read yet, he has barely any content. Would like to see more posts from him. | ||
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I need to ask dahdum some more questions but at least he's responded and a lynch on dark is more likely. | ||
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Mufaa
219 Posts
1) the good dayposters are already out there with their reads and are targets already. In a mini there are probably 2-3 people max in this range. Since we don't know if there is a medic d1 by having fewer outspoken people (no one posts reads at night) makes the blues night jobs much easier. 2) the more people that post, the more confusing their NK will become. When everyone posts it allows the mafia to choose their type of kill way easier. If only 2-3 people have good reads it's much harder to frame someone compared to if everyone has reads. Obviously we want everyone to have reads, but if we go into the night without them I don't think we should post them until morning (unless your post can help confirm someone) | ||
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