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On May 10 2012 08:17 BioSC wrote: If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways. Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia. | ||
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On May 10 2012 23:26 Anacletus wrote: I am only voting because I don't have much to add. I would also like to point out that *if* we hang tofu for his suspicious behavior and he is mafia then we can rule out those voting as being mafia, no? But if he's town, shit. Yet the first person to begin the voting on Anacletus was Hyaach, his reasoning seemed just as weak: On May 10 2012 23:33 Hyaach wrote: No edits are allowed. IMO, i did whatever firmtofu wrote was just a innocent day 1 remark. There is nothing more suspicious about his post than yours actually. And say "if" he was mafia, what if the mafia decided to throw him under the bus? Not a good way to rule out anything. I'm also just voting you because there's nothing to discuss here /sarcasm The start of this "bandwagon" is begining to form off of this, though Anacletus did have a poor response which made him more suspicious the voting on him lacks solid reasoning. On May 11 2012 03:56 FirmTofu wrote: What... I said that purely in jest, teasing him about the newbie game that just completed. I didn't think you guys would go batshit insane over it. Crossfire put it best. dahdum was in a game before this and I just commented on how I hope he isn't scum again because he played well last game. I didn't think I was acting suspicious at all, but apparently it was? Regardless, we should switch up our votes onto some more scummy targets. There are certain people that are playing very pro-town right now, but may be doing so just to gain the town's trust. It's extremely hard to tell from just Day 1 behavior, so I think our best for a lynch would be to hunt those people who are genuinely acting scummy or playing poorly. Anacletus seems like the perfect target to start. This quote is suspicious, for reasons mentioned previously my numerous people. However, there is an interesting phrasing of words I find rather intriguing. See bold. What motive would anyone have to say that sentence. Is it not already a statement of fact? Why did he feel the need to reiterate something that is quite obvious to everyone that is playing: If we lynch Tofu and he's town, then we are in trouble. Well, no shit Sherlock. Generally when town people die, the mafia gets farther ahead. Here's my theory. Anacletus knows I am town, because I'm not on his mafia team. Therefore, he knows if and when I get lynched, I will flip town. That statement is guilt insurance and a scum tell because of it. He is trying to insure himself now so that later, he can say "Aw crap, well I was wrong, but look at my previous post where I admitted I might be wrong!" When town members vote people, they don't know whether they are right or wrong. When mafia vote people they know the exact alignment of the person they are voting. I believe this knowledge just leaked from Anacletus the mafia. ##vote:Anacletus I bolded the part im talking about (didnt cut out any as to take something out of context^). Another thing now is that Tofu anounces the role of being a townie, and the reason (supposidly) why Anacletus targeted him was because he knew he was town (because he was mafia)? Now im questioning then why did he target you (tofu) only because you were town. Why initiate like that on a post that seemed insignifigant. I'm building suspicion on the reasoning for starting this bandwagon on Anacletus. Im still not placing a vote down yet but the starting reasonings for the votes lacks evidence and the follow up points (to me dont seem solid). Lastly: On May 11 2012 04:52 BioSC wrote: Good morning. Lets get to business. Somehow I managed to miss this post back on page 5. If you are going to put pressure on me, at least make it substantial/useful. If you are going to quote me, quote the whole post, not half of it and take it out of context. "They" is referring to lurking players, which I am not, thus I didn't use "we". This suspicion about "misused" pronouns is silly, and only drives me to wonder about you. You have only made one post so far, and wasn't very helpful. So far, the only lurkers here are you and Mufaa, whom has yet to post ANYTHING. Not enough to drive my vote to you, but I'm sure to keep an eye on your posts. I was refering to why you said town gets a nice snipe instead of we are geting a nice snipe, i was only adding on some slight pressure on the begining, which was similar to other posts. The way you get very defensive and attack my one post only asking about your reference to town/mafia. FOS: BioSc From your posts folowing, i think less of you as being mafia, and more so townie, that doesnt mean i wont continue keeping an eye on you too. | ||
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This list is also just fluff, great you show us your views on who you think it is scummy, but after reading it, no further attention goes towards it. --> probably the most questionable thing is that you put Hyaach right under Analectus. Hyaach started the bandwagon on Analectus, so now your saying if you think that the most likely mafia player Anacletus, and the person who goes after him first is Hyaach. Additionally now you seem to have summarized basically what is happening in this game, maybe some analysis would be more helpful. Additionally quoting, how you are coming to these fluff conclusions of people would be great, so then we could relate to these points that you are making. In the end i just reread what has been happening and your thoughts on this thread FOS: dahdum | ||
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On May 11 2012 21:02 ShiaoPi wrote: Just read through everything you guys posted, there are a few things which really strike me as noticeable. Hyaach's play remains fishy in my opinion, posts are more useful now, but his instantvote with reasoning following later is still scummy. A connection between him and Anacletus deems unlikely with the vote, but hyaach's play is really confusing. Jailbreaker actually promised to deliver something: but still no post yet. Laziness/slow at best but scummy and suspicious at the worst. Darkfirex5 campaigns caution and nothing overhasty in regards to the developing votes. Withholds his vote for this reason: Which is contradictory on his own suspicions on Tofu, Bio and dahdum as they lack evidence as well (every case on day1 lacks solid 100% evidence anyway). Keeps up a slight defense of Anacletus, while voting for him (in the wrong format though). Weird behaviour as Anacletus' play has not improved and remains scummy. Keeping an eye on him. Sorry for not responding to this^ The reason i like to stay cautious is because when things start happening fast like at the end of day one, we may end up switching the bandwagon and lynching a townie, inthis case the cop. I also think suspicions on people are much different then placing a vote. By me saying im suspicious of people means okay, something doesnt seem right but i need more evidence for me to want to put a vote on them to be lynched. The reason i kept the slight defense on Anacletus was becuase it was still day 1 and its hard to decide on the lynching. I ended up voting on him anyway becuase he seemed more scummy than EXE and i didnt like risking the vote on EXE before more evidence was obtained from/for him to prove he was scummy. So i went with the person who seemed the scummiest at the time, Anacletus. | ||
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On May 13 2012 01:57 Mufaa wrote: Ok. I'm posting from my phone so I cant separate the quotes into chunks to make it more readable but I'll respond as best as I can. First paragraph: This is too situational of a thing to address during the night before we've seen a mafia NK. I'd prefer to stay out of the details til d2 because I don't want to give the mafia too much insight on the pros and cons of night debating. If there is sufficient demand I will post about it. Until day when it's safer to post about it, I'd echo the point about if you've had a good d1 keep posting because you're probably a mafia target. If you aren't hold off until morning unless you have such a solid case from the night info that your death would confirm a person or at least some of the people you're suspicious of as scum. 2nd Paragraph: as far as my Brood vote I was trying to wait for a more solid case to get behind due to my inability to really create a solid case from my phone. I hope people would be suspicious of my lack of cases but like I said before d1 ran the 48h during a time when work really shit on me. Back to the question of the vote, I was trying to wait for a better case (I didn't think he was blue, but I wasn't expecting a scum flip either) so the vote on Jailbreaker was to try and get people to put some pressure on him before the day ended. Although it didn't get the desired effect of forcing him to post it did get people to remember him instead of just writing his inactivity off as lurking. Once I saw that people weren't going to pressure him into responding and he wasn't going to respond I switched to Brood in case there were last minute changes. I was still checking my phone in case I did need to switch but I still feel a Brood lynch gave us more info. Obviously this wasn't the best plan and if Jail ends up getting mod killed it was all for naught and I generated a bunch of heat on me for nothing. I have nothing to hide however so I don't mind the pressure on me since it is generating discussion. I think the fact that I didn't sheep a vote to avoid pressure earlier and have been transparent about my thoughts and decisions should speak volumes about my intent. I'll address the other posts against me when I get a chance and give my thoughts in general. Mufaa would u like to answer the 1st paragraph now that it's day 2? i dont want this to get burried because he got killed. | ||
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On May 14 2012 10:51 BioSC wrote: @Analectus: Who did you get to write this for you? Seriously, this is night and day better than your first day posts. I would be proud of you, but for someone who's neck just came off the chopping block for crappy posts, this sure is an oddity, especially against me. I've given my reasons for shifting my vote, look through my filter for it. If your reason to vote for me is simply for NOT voting for you, then you need to look a bit deeper. Are you seriously calling me out for squashing this post? + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 10:58 Darkfirex5 wrote: Well though i still think Anecletus seems the scummiest, but he does make a... point i guess about BioSC id need more proof though than to change my vote to him, ill keep it in mind when reading his posts. I still find this a weak bandwagon forming as i stated before, does anyone want to respond to my post before? (feeling ignored D: ) As I have said, its one of the worst posts to try and make a case off of. I don't even have to look up other posts to contradict it. It contradicts itself! I really don't have to start a case with you. You've made that for yourself day 1, and I feel like there are others that we can sniff out. Honestly, going from + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 09:22 Anacletus wrote: I don't have any information. So no benefits and no doubts shall be given then I assume? to this post above mine should speak volumes. If you have any more meat to this case against me beyond "He voted for me, time to vote for him" I would love to know. As for whom I would like to call out, + Show Spoiler + I'm suspicious of Darkfirex5. He seems to be trying to shift focus away from Anacletus, and this is why I think that. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 10:58 Darkfirex5 wrote: Well though i still think Anecletus seems the scummiest, but he does make a... point i guess about BioSC id need more proof though than to change my vote to him, ill keep it in mind when reading his posts. I still find this a weak bandwagon forming as i stated before, does anyone want to respond to my post before? (feeling ignored D: ) He's already done this twice in this day, pointing out small flaws and meaningless details in my posts to try and get an argument started against me. My strategy to deal with it was to stamp it out. Just because I'm putting pressure on someone, though, doesn't mean I'm not looking for more reads. There are at least 4 mafia in this game, and town needs to find them all to win. Darkfire: I still haven't gotten an answer for this post. Mind filling me in on the details? Like how you are trying to shift blame off of one of the scummiest players at the time to someone else on such a triviality? Unvorgiven_ve: Where the hell have you been, and why is it that the person the mafia hit has you #1 on their list? DahDum: I've still got my reasons for suspecting you, and having Brood call you out only to not respond for 1.5 days adds to the suspicion. BioSC filter my last few posts, i havent been talking about you. I've been trying to look into Mufaa and dahdum. I've shifted away from you and i still want Analcetus to be lynched becuase if he pops mafia, it will be easy to track who saved him from the first lynch. In response to you directly, I was on edge with you being mafia but i began thinking you were protown. Again recently I've begun looking at dahdum and Mufaa. Also i was trying to poke at your defensive play, becuase you seem to always respond hyper defensive. I was trying to get more information out of you by knowing that i had an FOS on you. But now, moving ahead i think the biggest target is mufaa dahdun and Anacletus. I'll look to analyze material when i get back from school. | ||
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-->My current thoughts is that either BioSC or Anacletus is mafia, or there is a chance they are townies fighting one another, i dont know what to make of it atm. with the second post about ShiaoPi was more as a friendly post to him because he got killed. I don't know how to convince you analytically on that, but it was more of an insignifigant post to ShiaoPi as he was leaving. at austinmcc, the post about me, the reson i was so cautious and unable to make such strong posts was because of the day one, just trying to figure things out. At the moment, i think that BioSC, Anacletus, you and me are twonie. I'm townie and the fact that Anacletus stuck up for me, well now i know he is townie as well. And if anyone wants to say that we both are mafia, well i still insisted on the Anacletus vote to get him killed, even when i could of just switched to EXE and not suffered any problem. We currently have lurkers who are leting us tear one another up.with the current votes in I we put townies more at risk. And now for the more contradictory part, we can try to vote a lurker (which i prefer), or i may need to place my vote on BioSC or you. What credability do i have now? well i doubt you would give me any. But if Anacletus somewhat defended me he's townie. So that leaves me to believe that either you or BioSC because you two arent voting on the same person which should mean you arent affiliated BioSC and austin i'd suggest re analzing becuase one of you is town and BioSC if you are townie dont waste your vote on Anacletus. <-- he isnt mafia. And well now, even if i get lynched at the end of this, now one of you three is mafia. The two townies should realize it and vote off the third party. I still dont like the lack of other posts only checking in and saying mother's day was an inconvinence. (well it was but still). Now whichever of us gets some votes stacked, mafia can say oh i liked these posts cause "blagh" and then get more townie killed --> I'm hoping all of us are townie, because well i've sided more with knowing Anacletus is townie. -->If i didnt answer a question just bold it and i will get on that right away. --> id still like for mufaa to answer the question ShiaoPi posted before. | ||
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Also you find another way to dodge the question from before --> the one from ShiaoPi Lastly if your reasoning was because i didnt fully respond to your question thats been discredited because i said bold stuff if i missed it at austincc- i said i will look into them but not much was posted most recently so it was hard to find a case until now. I believe i've made my point on Mufaa, but for dahdum i think he is protown becuase of his defense on Anacletus. (unless im being played hard) because Anacletus defended me i think (almost know) he is a townie. Dahdum also mentioned at a protective stance at Anacletus not wanting to commit to the vote on him. On May 12 2012 05:23 dahdum wrote: I'm backing off of anac at this point, he's still suspicious but I'm thinking reckless/bad town vs bad mafia. Too many people are after him first day, some have to be mafia, and his defense should have been better if he's getting help in a QT (as austinmcc mentioned). Will support a lynch of BioSC or BKE, do we have a current vote count? With this i now find Dahdum townie as well because though he had suspicions on BioSC and Anacletus. I havent been able to clear BioSC though which is why i dont think that dahdum is more likely to be mafia. I think that dahdum as well is pro town more so. WIth Mufaa though he has waited twice now to join a majority vote. Well shit now, i think mufaa is townie as well, debatably now because of the defense on Anacletus. Huh well now that leaves BioSC and lurkers.... ##Unvote ##Vote BioSC im hoping i gave you some insight austincc. I'm going to remain a FOS on Mufaa, but because i have this basis on Anacletus being town Mufaa seems more town pro. I'd like to know for sure though somehow because this remains on the basis that Anacletus is a townie. Meh shit i feel like i dodged your question in a way, but now rereading more and more im geting new ideas and now i feel like you will think that im voting BioSC because there is 2 votes on him. Ask it again if you feel like i didnt answer you "correctly" its hard now that i have this different insight rereading some of Mufaa's older posts during day 1 | ||
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