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I'd like to first note that I'm studying in Hong Kong at the moment (i'm still unadjusted to time differences). But anyways, here are my thoughts; -Arctic Fox + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 07:09 ArcticFox wrote: Why wouldn't someone need help this early? When I played my first game, I was bugging my coach a day and a half before it started. Not too many people have posted so far. Game started like 5 hours or so earlier than we expected, so I guess that's natural. But I will be checking to see who hasn't posted so we can start making people talk. The most important thing is for everyone to be active. If we allow people not to post, it also allows scum not to post, which is the easiest way for them to play. I would highly suggest that everyone make a notepad file or excel sheet and start keeping tabs of who they think is giving off townie and scummy vibes. As the game gets longer, it will be very helpful to have a quick guide to go back to for remembering how you felt about everyone. It will help you when you re-read filters as well to see how it lines up with the notes you've taken. As it stands, there are now 7 people who haven't posted yet. Last game we nearly lynched scum Day 1 because we had some really good discussion going right out of the gate. For example: Maju's idea to lynch lurkers. It's so standard that it's not even really worth discussing, BUT it's the only thing that's been brought up, so when you make your first post, post your thoughts on it. My personal thought is I want the game to be active enough that we don't have to, but if you won't talk, you can hang. Discuss! (P.S. Zealos stop acting so scummy, unless you *are* scum, in which case continue so we can lynch you first. <3) A number of suggestions are made, such as encouraging town discussion (particularly to weed out lurkers), creating our own notes to better understand our thoughts, and to discuss Maju's suggestion of lynch lurkers. I find these agreeable, and am finding myself drawn to his strong town-like influence. This is enhanced by the fact that he notes Zealos is scum without actually outright accusing him. He starts with my heavy support as townie, but I’m a little worried in the end he's a mafia that will kill us all. You won't know till we read more into his posts. -ForTheDr3am + Show Spoiler + The juxtaposition of these comments had me suspicious. Zealos and MajuGarzett had some banter in beginning, before ForTheDr3am jumps in. I’m in the middle on FTD, as a later explanation is much more developed and concrete, although mostly defensive. He does however point out Zealou’s lack of content, except for this post really; -Zealous + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:25 Zealos wrote: I think it's not a useful thing to discuss early on and leads to little scumhunting and a poor town atmosphere. I will state now that my first choice to vote is Zealous, on the grounds of lack of developed purpose in his posts, and the seemingly eager chance at throwing MajuGarzett under the bus. -MajuGarzett + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 10:55 MajuGarzett wrote: I would still like to hear the reasoning on me being mafia. @forthedr3am: I realise I may have phrased that poorly earlier, I meant there was no way to differentiate if he was mafia or blue. I agree that MajuGarzett may be a “total dunce” in the sense that his posts are inciting chaos and making him a good target. However, I disagree that Maju should be voted so quickly yomi, because we shouldn’t be so quick to off a townie, on the grounds of “not much lost ...anyway”. BECAUSE MajuGarzett’s made himself to be a target (by what I believe is over-zealous townie work) offing him is an easy D1 for the mafia because they get an easy townie kill. -St.Daniel + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 11:41 St.Daniel wrote: @Dr3am: First off, I would like to clarify my stance on D1 lynch. I do not think D1 is bad. Done. What I was getting at was that there is no reason to rush it or force it just for the sake of voting. Right? I think I made myself clear now. a) I understand what you are getting at but your wording got me little confused. Also I had no idea how you got from discouraging no lynch to acquiring information from good discussion is the best way, not that I disagree. Next time, please reread your to make sure it makes sense. b) I have Maj as overly eager new player and yomi as eithera scum or an idiot. And nobody else said anything. Your post caught my attention because it sounds as there is a content but there really isn't. It only state that people should vote and good discussion is good which are pretty obvious. c) I'm not convinced that you are a scum yet, but overly eager expression for town "justice will prevail" and seemingly content -less post about D1 lynch tickle me in the ear. Also from my experience, scum always say that they won't be around for the deadline. Conclusion: Dr3am is not a scum and even if he is, there is not enough evidence to make a case. I hope my answers satisfied your questions. I do believe you were awkwardly (unjustly) accused in the beginning for asking a question. It also looks like we have the same read on Maju (b). Dr3am seems innocent enough to me, as he threw off Zealous from his back, and does only seem concerned with good town discussion. But he's had to be defensive, so I don't know yet. -Yomi + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 08:12 yomi wrote: hey bros. I'm not 100% convinced that we should lynch day1. but if we do ##vote: majugarzett I honestly don’t know what’s going on with Yomi. He’s the first to eagerly vote off MajuGarzett (under the bus theory?) which seems scummy, but not much else has been said otherwise. I’m kinda confused about his play otherwise. I’d like to also note my stance on pressuring people who haven’t posted (or posted little content) to post. So lurkers, please post! P.S. + Show Spoiler + I may use the pronoun He more than I should, and if I incorrectly do so please feel free to scold / correct me. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 23:33 oneplus wrote: 2) Zealots is pretty much a 1 liner who doesn't really contribute anything yet, he is a decent vote at the moment. Assuming Zealots was meant to be Zealos. Also, it can be seen that oneplus is explicity stating you’re a decent vote, Zealos. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 02:12 Zealos wrote: Sorry, what? What on earth kind of a thing to say is this? You make a completely random accusation about me being scum with no evidence at all. Oh, and, I am happy to respond to case's against me, but at the moment I can't see any. All I see is people posting lots of other people's names and then going on to tell town what they've done so far in the game. It doesn't help. We can read. It seems like it's gonna be pretty hard to find the mafia team when there's so many people posting terribly. The quote of me stating that you are acting scummy, is a re-quote from ArcticFox’s first post. That creates a list of ArcticFox, oneplus, and me believing your posts have been suspicious. Therefore I don’t believe that the accusation is random, at all. Here’s what I saw; 1. You state that it’s typical scum behavior to post a lot of stuff under the guise of useful posting, yet most of your posts are, as oneplus put it, one-liners and simple-agreement posts. It seemed contradictory to me, suspicious. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 06:54 Zealos wrote: [It's very typical scum behaviour. Making no actual reads, but posting a load of stuff under the guise of "useful posting" 2. The above statement indirectly states Maju is scum, but you don’t sort through Maju’s comments and build a case. You’re subtly setting up Maju for a lynch. 3.+ Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:58 Zealos wrote: He's right, no lynch = really bad. This statement is in reference to ForTheDr3am’s first post stating that the town shouldn’t be in favor of no lynch. FTD got called out for his original post, and had a few posts back-and-forth with St. Daniel re-examining his position. But you didn’t give any extra reasons, or really anything else, more suspicion. 4. Your latest reply in your defensive seems to be directed at me, as if I was the only person who believes you to be suspicious. + Show Spoiler + (Also, I listed a bunch of other people’s names and discussed their posts, but gave my opinions on them at the very least. that was still somewhat earlier on, and I thought it was a good point to jump in.) I am under the impression that Maju was to be alienated and the town was to off-him early on. This is in line with my suspicions of Zealos, as he casually set-up Maju for this purpose. Then, shortly thereafter, Yomi jumps in and explicitly targets Maju. I just read your latest post, Yomi. Looking at your filter, it’s somewhat believable to me that you wanted to play an aggressive towny. But I noticed some people ( me included) feel that he’s an idiotic towny playing scummy. So, where do you stand now with your vote? Still, Maju? But, if I may indulge in my theory of Maju being set-up, then you’d be scum, cleverly building a defense for yourself, and Maju would still be an easy D1 mis-lynch. And finally, by citing your history as scum another game as grounds for defending your current play doesn't seem like a good claim for your scummyness or innocence. Your posts have seemed to inject as much chaos into this thread as Maju's have, especially with your "elaborate" play of voting Maju = good discussion. I'm currently on voting for yomi or Zealos, ima sleep on it. | ||
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yomi had only the minimum 7/7 votes to be lynched, however. By acting crazy in the beginning, yomi singled himself out; as my first theory of Maju getting thrown under the bus is wrong (maybe), it seems more likely yomi was to be that easy target to get bussed. Some notes on yomi votes, may be more useful later in the game then now; + Show Spoiler + 0-1 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler + This seems highly unlikely. As a townie gaining so much suspicion early on, the mafia probably put him on their agenda and wanted to push us to mislynch him. Because of yomi’s early suspicion, early votes AGAINST him seem less suspicious as well. According to Midnight’s prelim vote count, some 6 hours before deadline, only 5 people had their vote on yomi, and not until somewhat close to the end 2 votes changed. As I previously mentioned, early votes against yomi would be less prone to suspicion, especially because there was a (so-so) case on him early on. 2-3 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler + Seems extremely likely. The duration of yomi’s erratic play, probably a little over a day, would surely be long enough for two scum to make a case against him, and vote so. (or one make a case and another simply cite their support of someone else’s). The majority of the mafia would need to vote for yomi as he had the minimum 7/7. And with enough town support, it would be favorable to have someone NOT voting yomi, as a safety-card for when yomi flips green (2 votes). There is then always the consideration all 3 mafia voted for yomi, but it would be unfavorable to tunnel vision the votes. WIFOM? + Show Spoiler + (Am i using WIFOM right?) As I was looking at the votes and writing this, I wanted to look at 0, 1, 2, 3, votes individually. But I realized this would be circular logic because I’d be making too many assumptions about the mafia’s agenda. However, I am convinced that the mafia worked to get yomi mis-lynched because yomi did so much of the mafia’s work for them. So some of my reads come from this likely motive. That lead me to here.... some of my reads, and my reasoning 1. ArcticFox + Show Spoiler + First to vote yomi, but only after yomi has had enough time to make a case against himself. Also, he pressures everyone to vote yomi as the deadline approaches, insisting yomi’s play has been too scummy, and not acting erratically. Also, looking at his filter, I notice that AF posts are 1)plentiful, 2)insistent on good town discussion 3)provide pressure to lurkers 4)continously PRESSURES lurkers. And then this post + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 10:26 ArcticFox wrote: That quote *was* originally mine btw. It keeps getting credited to nreekay and I don't appreciate it. >.> Really good advice that I don't want to go unnoticed. Our last game had over twice the amount of posting by this time, and it's hard to scumhunt when half the thread is inactive. He insists on being a strong pro-town voice and contributing to good town environment. strikes me as TOWN. Insectoceanx + Show Spoiler + I originally read insectoceanx as probably town, but this was mostly because he had the same read on Zealos as me, that Zealos is scum. However, insectoceanx then is the final vote on a vote change to get yomi lynched. This wasn’t the suspicious part, as I woke up a little before the deadline to scope out the yomi vote count. Insectoceanx could honestly have wanted to see what yomi flipped, as yomi’s ending play wasn’t really enough to redeem him ( and people weren’t around to discuss this, myself included). But then he posts this; + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 11:07 insectoceanx wrote: That is all I have to say about changing my vote to yomi, I think zealos is the greatest chance of being scum at this point but yomi is close behind and I changed my vote to him for the sake of getting a lynch. While I have not posted often, what I have posted is a collection of my thoughts from everything going on. These thoughts have not been one liners or contentless. imallinson does make me a little suspicous with his last post being a little recap of what everyone else has discussed without adding anything of substance, he then votes for yomi, which i don't know if he is just jumping on the bandwagon at the end or not. I agree with imallinson's assement that fox is not scum. I am unsure of everyone else besides that zealos seems really scummy. Maju is hard to read as most of what he said is in defence to yomi's erratic voting towards him. This came shortly after Night 1 began. Over half this post is insectoceanx defending himself, (Not sure of the grammar of 1st clause), trying to divert suspicion onto imallinson / zealos. I can’t analyze it much further, but this post seemed overly anxious in defending himself. SUSPICIOUS Imallinson + Show Spoiler + Bandwagon’d yomi, few posts.SUSPICIOUS Oneplus + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 16:09 oneplus wrote: @Maju, Nreekay got the same read as me on Yomi which he’s an idiotic towny playing scummy. We are not protecting him, we want to bring out the fact that this is a possibility on his play. We should think out of the box and evaluating all the possibility, it is too early to make comfirmation that "Yomi is a scum" yet in my point of view. I just want everyone to think twice before yomi. Maju, suspecting someone who is not defending you is not a good town play. He was the main, only supporter of yomi. Whether or not this was a scum “oh I called it, I must be town” play, I’m not sure. But I do know that in the above quote, he includes me in his read of yomi as an idiotic towny playing scummy. But he seemed much, much more sure than I was (I mainly thought Zealos was safer lynch) I don’t see any reason for mafia to single themselves out this much, especially before yomi started revealing his accusation play. strikes me as TOWN. Zealos + Show Spoiler + I had originally thought scum, 100%. Now I think he may have been caught up in yomi’s play. Zealos didn’t set Maju up for yomi to accuse. It seems, now, rather Zealos got swept into the play. And the more he got accused, the more cynical he got. But Zealos has neither come up with a defense nor indirectly done so by contributing. As yomi pointed out (RIP), Zealos has still been setting up Maju. I’m at 75% right now, so for now FOS List FOS 1. Zealos 2. Insectoceanx 3. Imallinson Better be town 1. ArcticFox 2. oneplus + Show Spoiler + If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned.+ Show Spoiler + If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face | ||
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nreekay324
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gg. thanks midnight and GM for hosting. gl town. | ||
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