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Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
March 29 2012 21:23 GMT
#17
Been reading a bunch of the other games

/in!
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
March 30 2012 15:10 GMT
#56
On March 30 2012 23:14 FourFace wrote:
BTW I want to make a couple of statements before we start in order for what I say to be irrelevant for your scumsearch later on.

I am going to play for fun, I don't care about learning the game or playing "badly". This doesn't imply I haven't read the rules, OP, guides, past games, player meta; or that I won't read the whole thread if it gets larger than 15 pages. Because I have and I will, and I'm counting on everyone to do likewise.

I am never going to insult you personally but I will most certainly tell you to your face if your posting style seems inefficient, total bullshit to me regardless of whether I think you're scum or not so I'm probably going to insult your role and style of play .. a lot, during this game. I can handle any sort of critique to my virtual online persona so I expect a little indifference from you too. I won't call your mom a whore or anything like that but even If I would, would you care? I'd be just another troll on the internets without any knowledge of your personal business, forget about it.

Once the game starts if you plan on condescending people by giving them newbie advice, and reciting principles on how to play and what they should look for, talk excessively about the concept of lurking and lynching lurkers and generally calling people noobish or crazy .. you are going to make this game less fun for me not to mention you'd just repeat what thousands have said before. Which means I'm going to have to compensate by writing crazy fluff, that you might not be interested in reading, just to mimic your lack of efficiency and usefulness to town. So if you're town don't do that. If you're scum, don't do it either because I'll quite possibly vote to lynch you for it in the absence of more concrete scumreads.

That's all I want to say .. my motivation, my self-imposed boundaries and what pisses me off the most. Oh and GL HF GG everyone

I would like to say pre-game that I disagree with your stance on newbie advice, principles and lurking. This is a newbie game and these discussions often can help start talks to begin in the begining of a game. This will encourage more people to talk and thus give us more to read into. Also, lurking is an extremely viable strategy for scum to use. If we ignore discussions of this then we are doing ourselves a disservice.

You can't just start off a game with nothing expecting people to have scum reads, thats just not possible. If you can figure out a way to rid the town of these behaviors by starting a different topic leading to meaningful conversation I am all for it. I agree that meta is probably a terrible idea in newbie games.
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
March 30 2012 17:16 GMT
#65
On March 31 2012 00:50 FourFace wrote:
Should've specified: "unasked-for" newbie advice. I really think it's annoying to hear stuff like "lurking is an extremely viable strategy for scum to use".. but it could be just me, and you do what you want.

I would like to try something out, yes. Have people compete in writing like they are having fun, just a regular group chat among TL-ers. Joke, make references to starcraft, memes, word play. My theory is that he who lacks the ability to convince the others that he's having fun will most likely be scum. Why? Because lurking is no fun.. and like you said, mafia don't have any problem with playing like that, town does. Mafia want the game to be boring and unreadable, town doesn't. Yes it's rather unconventional and not in the guides yet but let's do try it.



So content-less jokes, memes and sc references are now townie? No. This is exactly how scum would want to play, they can get anyway with anything in this idea of a town atmosphere.

You know whats fun in Mafia? Catching scum. Not posting just for the hell of it and trolling the thread away. This is a newbie game we should be looking to improve through discussion of the game itself.

I'm sorry but your idea is stupid, especially for a newbie game.
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
March 30 2012 17:18 GMT
#66
I can do whatever deadline
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
March 30 2012 18:45 GMT
#68
On March 31 2012 02:42 FourFace wrote:
I don't feel the need to argue with you, but please .. stop calling ideas stupid. It is the only way to emotionally stir up someone you don't know on the internet. You are really offending me, needlessly. You can say that you want my family to die of cancer (Alfio style) and it wouldn't be as offending because both of us know that you have no reason to hate my family. But if you call my idea stupid .. I don't know your level of intelligence, your mental achievements, your sense of humor or your motivations in life and I can't have someone i don't respect calling my ideas stupid. So pretty please with sugar on top ..remember to refrain from doing that and politely disagree next time.

Odds are 7 to 2 that I'm going to be townie so I'm not trying to trick you into playing badly so Mafia wins. I just think I gave it a little more thought than you have.
I see some problems like the thread turning boring and people going inactive because they're like: aww shit I have to read thorough this pile of accusations, lurker philosophy, poor or non-existent argumentations and whatnot just so I can find out if 30 hours later the guy i voted for gets lynched or if the guy who gets lynched is scum or not.

Personaly I'd like some salt and pepper so my curiosity gets me reading and get a couple of laughs as a reward. The discussion you seek will most likely never emerge, i dare you to prove me wrong. My guess is there's gonna be faceless people with no personality blindly accusing and insulting eachother. You might as well go into politics for that.

What you are calling a personal insult is nothing of the sort. I do not think you are stupid, I just think your idea for this game was.

I have to read thorough this pile of accusations, lurker philosophy, poor or non-existent argumentations and whatnot just so I can find out if 30 hours later the guy i voted for gets lynched or if the guy who gets lynched is scum or not.

Someone correct me if I am wrong but this is EXACTLY why we play mafia. To read other players, to see if we can outsmart and outthink them to lead our team (town or scum) to victory.

If accusations, lurker philosophy and arguments (alongside 30 hour waits) are not what you are looking for maybe you should consider not playing forum mafia. You seem impatient and bored without the game even begining. The fun in the game should not come from the content of the posts but in deciphering the messages that they send. Your solution sounds lazy and as if you don't care about the game of mafia at all, you just want us to entertain you with funny posts.
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
March 30 2012 19:26 GMT
#70
On March 31 2012 04:19 FourFace wrote:

Suggesting I shouldn't play = rude, insulting. Saying you aren't stupid your ideas are = rude, insulting, condescending. I don't get why you do it, I honestly don't.

This is completely untrue. I do not think that anything I have said should have any of the descriptions you used attributed to them.

As for everything else you said I would love to hear someone else's opinion because I am still new here and while I've played a fair share of forum mafia, I have no idea what to say to you
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
March 30 2012 21:22 GMT
#77
Nope I will hold nothing said out of game accountable.
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
March 31 2012 17:45 GMT
#115
##vote HiroPro

His posts look thought out and unnatural. (aka nervous)
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
March 31 2012 18:38 GMT
#121
I don't like your plan because IMO none of your traits can be assigned to an alignment. I answered in spoilers each trait.
On April 01 2012 03:24 FourFace wrote:
Guys this is gonna be pretty tough, I say we split the extra workload that comes from playing this particular setup but newbie mini games in general too (having next to no established meta, small number of players and less info from night actions because people don't get notified). I'd like each of us to monitor one particular aspect of everyone's behavior and report conclusions once a day/night.

What I can think of that fits the criteria of something worth monitoring:
-aggressiveness
+ Show Spoiler +
This doesn't say anything about alignment unless meta is involved

-the extent to which the arguments make sense and have purpose
+ Show Spoiler +
it completely depends on what the argument is about

-impulsiveness (who seems to be acting emotionally biased)
+ Show Spoiler +
this is a newbie game, people will have a hard time controlling emotion

-conciseness (quality over quantity)
+ Show Spoiler +
Never expect anyone (town or scum, rookie or vet) to do this correctly IMO shows nothing about alignment

-loco (who is crazy and under which circumstances does it show) I'd be just the right guy for this job
+ Show Spoiler +
wut?

-eloquence (for the David Foster Wallaces among us; also note typing and edit mistakes)
+ Show Spoiler +
Says nothing about alignment

-reaction time (especially to a FOS)
+ Show Spoiler +
Says nothing about alignment and is the easiest way to mislynch

-cred (who got it right, who didn't)
+ Show Spoiler +
Says nothing about alignment, scum can be too right and too wrong


I don't want to go in what we should actually be looking for or you'll try to lynch me for giving newbie advice when not asked for.

On April 01 2012 03:10 Therapist. wrote:
##Vote: Kohbee

You were my second scum team member. Thanks for confirming with me
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
March 31 2012 18:40 GMT
#122
On April 01 2012 03:30 FourFace wrote:
To find out who's the right guy for which job I'd like to ask a couple of questions first:

What do you prefer playing: town or scum and why?
What role would you like to be in this setup and why?
Think of a role that isn't in this setup and explain his powers
Think of a theme for a game (optional)

Thank you for your cooperation

You are right about being loco
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
March 31 2012 18:55 GMT
#124
On April 01 2012 03:51 Therapist. wrote:
Kohbee tries to act like he's confirmed two scum in his mind from the start. Why would he be so aggressive in calling people out as scum so early in the game if he were not trying to lead people away from himself and his partner? Hiropro may very well be scum, I have no idea. I know I'm not. I think more people need to call out Kohbee and see what he's really made of.

I don't talk to scum
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
March 31 2012 19:04 GMT
#126
On April 01 2012 03:59 FourFace wrote:
@Kohbee This is why I only listed 8 jobs. Unconsciously I knew you would act like a total douche. That's ok .. you can be our LEADER

I don't know why you take offense to my posts. In a completely non-game related comment, you seem to be extremely sensitive to critism of your ideas.
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 01 2012 17:18 GMT
#195
On April 02 2012 02:06 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 01:40 FourFace wrote:
you do have to explain because it's fairly simple for me to understand why I did it. I want to save it up for when I want to lynch the guy.
It's not the theory of relativity but tell me why you think it should surpass you liking how your thumb feels in your ass.


In case you hadn't noticed this is a team-game. You keeping things to yourself doesn't help the rest of us.

##Unvote: Solohan50
##Vote: Fourface

I'm with Muffins. I'm tired of you being a dick.

There is a lot of fail going on in this thread right now. Withholding information from town is NOT scum behavior. keeping town on a need to know basis is.

I don't think that fourface is a good lynch at all. I also think that hiropro is town and would also be a bad lynch.

There has literally been extremely little said so far in the thread. However one thing of note is marvellosity's willingness to switch his vote to whatever bandwagon he thinks will start up.

The solohan50 lynch is something I was thinking about before catching up on the thread. There has been very little of value posted thusfar in the thread and he is completely inactive. IMO he has like a 30-40% chance of flipping scum and if not, we lose nothing.

So far I only have town reads on a couple people.
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 01 2012 17:18 GMT
#196
##unvote: hiropro
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 01 2012 17:19 GMT
#197
ebwop: keeping town on a need to know basis is good***

wow fail on my part
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 01 2012 17:48 GMT
#203
On April 02 2012 02:27 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 02:09 FourFace wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: FourFace
at least I'll give you a real reason to vote me .. i'm the third person to jump on the bandwagon


Pretty sure you can't vote for yourself, we went over that earlier.

As for reads on me, it should be pretty easy; I think that unless Kohbee explains his early accusation on hiropro, it's suspicious.

Personally I think that a case could definitely be made on fourface for being kind of domineering and trying to control the game, but I don't think he's scum yet. He was behaving exactly the same way before the game. Sure it's kind of obnoxious, but lynching someone for being obnoxious is exactly what mafia wants.

I did. Why are you so bothered by it
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 01 2012 18:24 GMT
#208
On April 02 2012 03:22 HiroPro wrote:
To the people voting FourFace, how does that make any sense. FourFace has been one of the few people to try to get something going. Mafia would never try to lead the way FourFace is. Mafia lurk and try to remain hidden.

Of omnomMuffins and marvellosity, omnomMuffins has contributed almost nothing, while marvellosity has identified a possible scumslip by strongandbig.

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote:

Only thing that read a little odd to me was

On April 01 2012 04:18 strongandbig wrote:

I'm not going to vote yet - when do we need to vote by anyway? Did the deadline get changed or not - anyway, I'm not going to vote yet, but I think we should watch out for random accusations.





##Vote: omnomMuffins



I don't like this vote at all. He has said numerous times why he is not here (onog) and has atleast checked in where solohan has not. If you want to lynch a lurker why are you ignoring solohan.

Also, why not vote strongandbig if you think he scumslipped?
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 01 2012 19:02 GMT
#214
Sorry, that was me on my dormmates computer. I fucked up.

What I said was that hiro needs to get his vote on solohan or therapist so that town can control the vote.

Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 01 2012 19:03 GMT
#215
##vote solohan50
Kohbee
Profile Joined May 2011
United States155 Posts
April 01 2012 20:10 GMT
#240
On April 02 2012 04:58 Solohan50 wrote:
Before the game started, Kohbee was overflowing at the mouth. He was posting lengthy diatribes while going back and forth with FourFace. Once the game started, however, he started with an immediate vote with very little reasoning. Two paragraphs about whether memes and SC2 jokes should be included in a game of Mafia, following by a ##vote with almost no explanation? I find this change of style very suspicious. He has continued the trend of talking very little throughout this thread, as well as flip-flopping on the vote and causing us to lose one of our big tell moments. Because of this, I'm casting my vote for Kohbee.

##Vote: Kohbee

but i got what i wanted out of hiro which was a townie response.

I haven't had much to say.

I am thinking right now we should be voting marvel or strongandbig
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