EPTPlayed the game on Battle Net but would like to try it in a forum.
Newbie Mini Mafia II
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Played the game on Battle Net but would like to try it in a forum. | ||
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I would however advise against strongly pushing for a lynch without any concrete evidence or based solely off of speculation as with low killing power, lynching someone who is innocent would cause much more damage then simply not lynching at all. | ||
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On January 04 2012 11:27 AnxiousHippo wrote: Why and how would an RB reveal themself? Not directly to everyone but lets say player A is a detective. Player A gets role blocked one night and now knows which of the setups is present. This may not be shared with the entire town but is useful information for the specific player to have. | ||
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Anyways: back to the game, 1: Cookiemaker AnxiousHippo raised a very good point about Cookiemakers most recent post in his stating that trust has been developing amongst certain townies without providing examples. There was no reason for him to say this other than to try and fluff up his posts. Right now he seems scummy to me. 2: Sheth Theres one post by him that caught my attention: Jitsu, we've played before and you probably know my scum read and I know your town read This for me could mean one of two things: A. A subtle claim to not being scum based on the logic that Jitsu would know immediately. Or B. I will be able to tell whether or not Jitsu is or is not scum. Other than this he has been aggressive in terms of trying to get people on the defensive (CatsnHats) which I like as holes will show in peoples stories. Right now I'm feeling like he would be town rather than scum but I think time will tell. 3: AnxiousHippo Cites his inexperience as a way out of having to provide much analysis but also hasn't said anything too scummy. I'm feeling neutral. 4: Cephiro Provided a lot of good points and has contributed a good deal to the discussion. I don't think think Mafia would be leading the discussion like he has been, especially at this level. Definitely leaning towards town on him. 5: Tunkeg Tries to get everybody to contribute which I like. Is very clear in his stance which is another good thing. Leaning towards town on him. 6: Jitsu I'm getting a town vibe from him as well as he asked for someones opinion on himself. This could however be a clever mafia play to try and discover where the holes in his play are. Leaning towards town as he has been pressuring people to contribute. | ||
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I know I originally wanted to not lynch somebody but the benefits of information make it a more appealing option and I feel like we have some solid candidates 7: Xeris Has contributed absolutely nothing other than his stance against a lynch today. No analysis or contribution. Leaning on Scum. 8: Gretorp Has also not contributed anything + no stance on any issue presented. Unless he posts something meaningful in the next day he will get my vote. Leaning heavily on scum. 9: Gonzaw Likes to pressure people and prod them for feedback. Also posted his thoughts and took a clear stance on issues. Leaning on town. 10: Me I haven't contributed much other than the Roleblocker thing but I will stand by that. If someone gets role blocked they should immediately say it. The more information the better, and it would be risky for a mafia to claim being role blocked if it gets revealed that there really isn't he is automatically implicated. So guys, if you get role blocked: make sure you tell us. 11: Probulous Another discussion leader. Has been active in contributing and putting pressure on people (catsnhats). Leaning on town for him. 12: CatsNHats Although he may have flip flopped positions early in the game I still feel like he is town as he has not shied away from speaking his mind on who he thinks may be scum. We should pressure him but my stance on him is neutral. Ugh... I don't feel like I added too much with that so I'll go back over everything and post my overall feeling for the game so far. | ||
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On January 05 2012 12:30 gonzaw wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 08:51 Blurry wrote: Part 2: (taking a long time to write this) I know I originally wanted to not lynch somebody but the benefits of information make it a more appealing option and I feel like we have some solid candidates 7: Xeris Has contributed absolutely nothing other than his stance against a lynch today. No analysis or contribution. Leaning on Scum. 8: Gretorp Has also not contributed anything + no stance on any issue presented. Unless he posts something meaningful in the next day he will get my vote. Leaning heavily on scum. 9: Gonzaw Likes to pressure people and prod them for feedback. Also posted his thoughts and took a clear stance on issues. Leaning on town. 10: Me I haven't contributed much other than the Roleblocker thing but I will stand by that. If someone gets role blocked they should immediately say it. The more information the better, and it would be risky for a mafia to claim being role blocked if it gets revealed that there really isn't he is automatically implicated. So guys, if you get role blocked: make sure you tell us. 11: Probulous Another discussion leader. Has been active in contributing and putting pressure on people (catsnhats). Leaning on town for him. 12: CatsNHats Although he may have flip flopped positions early in the game I still feel like he is town as he has not shied away from speaking his mind on who he thinks may be scum. We should pressure him but my stance on him is neutral. Ugh... I don't feel like I added too much with that so I'll go back over everything and post my overall feeling for the game so far. Hmm, I find it interesting how you use the same format Cephiro did for posting your analisis. Did you do that on purpose or is it a coincidence? Also, who are those "solid candidates" you speak of? If you had to lynch only one of them now, who would it be? Gretorp? Does the new events change your opinion or not? Also: + Show Spoiler + I haven't contributed much other than the Roleblocker thing but I will stand by that. If someone gets role blocked they should immediately say it. The more information the better, and it would be risky for a mafia to claim being role blocked if it gets revealed that there really isn't he is automatically implicated. So guys, if you get role blocked: make sure you tell us. Isn't this kind of obvious? Of course if a townie is RBed he should claim, why did you feel the need to state so? I posted in the same format as Cephiro because I'm new to this and I'm trying to pick up on how this game is played. Thus you will see me emulate some things that other players will do or how they format their analysis. This won't be the first time you will see this. Solid Candidates: Gretorp, Cookiemaker I would probably rather lynch Gretorp because he hasn't said anything To your last point: This is a newbie game, maybe its not obvious. I just want to make sure that people know to claim a RB. | ||
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On January 05 2012 13:08 CookieMaker wrote: <snip> Finally when I stumble upon a clear winner for wishy-washy of the year award, you've already beaten me to it. Cats was going to be my big expose'. I may be a little late on this, but this is a clear tell for me that he is scum. The "I'm not contributing because you already took my points" is simply trying to absolve yourself from having to provide any analysis. ##Vote: CookieMaker | ||
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1: I would check Cephiro as right now I am on the fence on whether or not he is scum. Also, confirming him as either innocent or guilty will more benefit us then any other player at this time as he seems to be the most solid of all the players under suspicion at the moment. 2: Probulous is the obvious choice as he has posted the most solid analysis thus far. 3: If I was a vigilante I would kill A Killer Cup of Tea as when CM was playing he was the most suspicious to me and I would have to go by who I was most certain of being scum. 4: Cephiro as it would function as a soft cop and would further implicate him if there was no kill (although prove nothing). Alternatively it could also clear him. 5: CM was the most suspicious in my books and as it has been made clear that an educated vote is the best way to go, the one that seems most scummy to me is CM. I will not change my vote to Cephiro to follow some as I have more certainty that CM/Tea is scummy. I'm driving back to VA from Montreal today so I can be active for maybe a few more hours but wont be for the rest of the day. | ||
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On January 05 2012 13:08 CookieMaker wrote: Then it's a good thing I caught up before posting #3. Your evidence was everything I had against Cats. My plan was to transition out of "Sheth should have put more pressure on him" into "... and this is why". I felt like I was getting unlucky after analyzing 4-5 players and coming up with zero good scum reads and only 1-2 town reads (despite the consensus against Ceph, I'm still confident in my read). Finally when I stumble upon a clear winner for wishy-washy of the year award, you've already beaten me to it. Cats was going to be my big expose'. ##Vote for CatsnHats The "I don't have to post analysis because he already said it post" Other than that most of his posts have contributed nothing and have just been filler. Didn't post his reads on any players until he was pressured into doing it. | ||
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Staying on CM/Tea as I am still unsure about Cephiro. Other than that, I'm sorry I couldn't contribute more this first day as I am still new to this and am not sure what to look for in terms of reading players but by going over players posts I am getting a good idea and I'm sure my analysis quality will steadily improve over the course of the game. One thing that strikes me looking back at all this is CM voting for CatsinHats. If CM/Tea is indeed scum then I think this provides evidence towards cats not being scum as I dont think CM would have been that meta especially with the holes in his play he has already shown. This can't be assumed however so I would still be suspicious. | ||
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Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way. My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum. | ||
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On January 08 2012 10:21 Probulous wrote: Terrible post, Gonz is right this tells us nothing at all. However you at least posted your thoughts on Sheth (Cats I'm looking at you). So to make it easy Blurry, would you vote to lynch Sheth? If not why not? Yes I would, and will. #Vote: Liquid'Sheth As to gonzaw's statement of me simply regurgitating information. For the most part that has been true but I've been going by my gut, which is not something you can post when convincing other people to take your side. I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start but don't have the analysis skills to back it up (I know that will read as scummy but bear with me) and write an informed post as to why. If I don't have the evidence to back up my feelings then there is no point in posting it. | ||
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##Vote: Liquid'Sheth Wrong format. If he flips something like blue or green however I think we should seriously look into Probulous. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-7gz1x_HNjE/SwqdxoGT0TI/AAAAAAAAAZg/xrPw4MbfbWw/s320/fedora_cat_hat.jpg) CatsnHats, the Indecisive Thug Take a close look at that image above good sirs of the town. Would you trust this man to watch over your house when you were away on vacation? Would you trust him not to take advantage of you? Of course not! That fedora screams of lies and deceit. This is why among other reasons that shall be outlined below, that we should no longer stand for such a villain to remain living within our midst. Fancy Analycising Follows: Prob's analysis of Cephiro is very well thought out and cited, and your follow-up is logical. But all of this talk back and forth between you too and "what happens if we lynch a green and I thought he was red, what does that make me look like to the town" talk is very circular and frankly unneeded at this point. It's just dead text to me. We should focus on who's the scummiest, not the repercussions of being wrong on your read. Be confident and we'll deal with the effects after the lynch, not before. That being said, despite your circular theoretical talk, at this point I'm confident in your analysis of Cephiro and think he is more of a threat than Gretorp. So ##unvote Gretorp ##vote Cephiro This is an obvious bandwagon vote, and in light of recent events (Sheth is a bad person) the fact that he followed his scum-buddy in the vote makes perfect sense. Before this post he expressed his read on Cephiro as town (too lazy to quote) but as soon as that post is written up about him and Probulous and Sheth vote for him he all of a sudden thinks that Cephiro is stabbing hobos in an alleyway. I will say this to those that may claim that I have done a similar thing (which I have). I am, as Probulous so eloquently pointed out, a blatant sheep. I go where the grasses are the greenest and if someone has a good argument I believe them. CatsnHats is no sheep, he pushed for the vote of lurkers such as myself and Xeris, something that us sheeps would never be so bold to do. This leads to my next point: His change of heart which perfectly coincided with Probulous' reconciliation of Cephiro: Cephiro really impressed me with the way he defended himself against your analysis. His statistics post people got angry at him for isn't really that big of a deal for me since it was his first post and it's his first game of forum mafia. Ceph was also the first the post a write-up on all the town, although you picked it apart later. I still think that counts for something. He called out Sheth in his defense post for Sheth's wishy washy play, and later pressured me on my terrible play up to that point. His analysis was the reason I made the martyr post. There was no real way for me to defend my play up to the point, and seeing it written up that way I knew I was distracting from catching scum. His analysis is very good, and I hope he gets back from his sports tournament soon because he's an asset to this town. Cephiro is definitely a town read for me. So now the town thinks Cephiro is innocent? Better change my viewpoint so people don't think I'm more of a murderer! Need I explain more? Probably not! But I will anyways because I'm having fun with my stupid online persona. This is not unique to simply Cephiro, notice how most of his reads on people where he says they are very town to him come after the majority of the town have come to that consensus. BANDWAGONING EXTREME DERBY! Verdict: Blatant Bandwag The train continues with his hesitation on lynching Sheth. Why is he so hesitant this young sheep asked himself! It's not as if Probulous' points on Sheth were any less convincing or accurate then those he had against Cephiro? So why was he so hesitant? Because bad mafias are unable to lynch their teammates. Sheth, sensing this posts this lovely gem: @Cats Please switch your vote to me. I sense shenanigans! Also, his comment on my brilliant expose where I uselessly speculated on the meaning of Probulous not getting lynched reeked of indecisiveness: His big analysis post was 1-2 sentences on each player. Not enough content. Thoughts? Let me translate that from scumspeak to townspeak for you: Guys, I want to know if I'm on the right track to being considered town again, if not I will try a different approach. Still not convinced? Well let me provide a picture of myself to convince you otherwise: ![[image loading]](http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/c/cute_lamb-8398.jpg) Note the absence of any suspicious looking fedora and the sheepish look on my face! Of course you're going to believe me because I'm just so adorable that I must be telling the truth? Still unconvinced? Check out these testimonials! "A true force for good in our town! Blurry should be crowned supreme emperor of the town" - Kofi Anan "This man wins more than me" - Charlie Sheen "Please marry me Blurry!" - Mila Kunis Now that you are totally convinced, Vote CatsnHats for lynch. ##Vote: CatsnHats <3 | ||
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Kofi Annan, my bad! Also @Probulous I know it isn't a point in my favor but I was using it in jest, poking fun at myself. At this point I think Cats' buddy is probably Gretorp because he mentioned that Xeris seemed more scummy to him then Gretorp did by virtue of Gretorp's I work all day post. Otherwise he went after all the other lurkers (hippo, me to some extent, xeris). So just wait for gretorp's replacement to post some more and nail him on his scumbaggery. But definitely for now stick with lynching Cats | ||
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I was blatantly wrong about that Gretorp thing, I don't know why I remembered that incorrectly. Discount that I'm going to look over his stuff again. | ||
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For now tell me what you think about Gonzaw. | ||
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I am the medic I have been healing probulous since Night 1. Do what you will with this information... | ||
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