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TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 20:35:14
November 24 2011 00:52 GMT
#1
TvZ: Using the 1/1/1 to Improve Mechanics and Win-Rate

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Thank you all for checking out my strategy guide on Terran.

Some of you may know my style of aggressive zerg – and that I argue aggression is the key to rapidly improving mechanics and fundamentals. This concept isn’t exclusive to zerg, however, so I’ve decided to dedicate some time to writing articles designed to help protoss and terran players improve faster at StarCraft II. In this thread, we’ll examine the strengths of an aggressive 1/1/1 opening against Zerg, and in particular the ways in which constant and effective terran attacks will help you develop the skills needed to excel as a gamer.

When your goal is to improve, you want to choose a very active/aggressive style of play because it’ll rapidly improve what I call the Three “M’s” of Starcraft II Fundamentals: Micro, Macro, and Multitasking. You need a build that is defensive when you’re being pressured and offensive when you’re not. The 1/1/1 is a versatile build order that not only defends against early pressure and cheese, but also provides multiple opportunities to attack your zerg opponent.

Examples/Replays

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I played a quick custom game against a platinum level player - not the best example but it's a rough outline of the build and the execution. I will get a stream episode up early next week!
http://drop.sc/64812


Step 1: Learn the Build and the Basics

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Planning is key in SC2 and if you want to learn a style, you need a well-refined a build order. Before you focus too intently on what to do with your units, you need to learn how to get your units – in the most efficient way possible. You need to practice the timings of the build vigorously, committing the steps to memory before trying to execute harassment and timing attacks. This way, when you make a macro mistake or you slip while microing, you quickly know how to get your build back on track.

In other words, when a build is practiced it becomes almost second nature, thus more of your time and focus is allotted to unit control.

Build Order: Hyper-Aggressive 1/1/1

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10Supply Depot

11th SCV – Scout (Delay hatch-first with SCV by 2:15, scout gas/pool timings)

12Barracks

Light Pressure (Recommended vs Hatch First) Try to build a bunker by his minerals at his expansion and rally your first marine. This is more or less “Feigning” pressure, as you don’t intend to commit to the attack and will likely even cancel or salvage the bunker and return the scv/marine to your base.

13Gas

15Orbital/Marine – Constant production on Marines until you have 5

16Supply Depot (Walled in by 3minutes, this SCV builds factory too)

18 Factory (With first 100 gas)

20 2nd Gas

23 Supply Depot

When factory finishes – 1 Hellion 1 Starport

5Minute Mark: First Push (5 Marine 1 Hellion)

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Reactor on Barracks after 5th marine, tech lab on Factory after hellion.

Keep constant production marines SCVs, depots, Marines, and Tanks steadily. Delay siege tech until you push out – you’ll notice you need that gas to keep constant unit production.

6:30 Open starport production with 1 viking to go overlord hunting then get a tech lab and start making banshees out of your starport (No cloak).

8:00 Start Siege Tech, start an expansion, and move out with your army

8Minute Mark: Second Push (3 Tank, 1-2 Banshee, 0-1 Viking, ~15 Marines)

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If the push is doing well, constantly produce off your 1/1/1. If you don’t think you’re going to win, add on structures and/or transition as you push. There is a ton of room for variation here, but you’ll want to do another push by 13 minutes. I typically recommend adding an engineering bay and swapping your first barracks and starport (allowing you to produce medivacs and upgrade stim). Then add on 2 barracks and move into +1/Stim marines with tanks and medivacs off 4 gas geysers /2 fully saturated mineral fields.

13:00 Take a 3rd Base

13Minute Mark: Third Push (7 Tank, 5 Medivac, 34 Marines)

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Step 2: Scouting and Responding

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When you scout and how you use the information can make a huge difference. Try to have set times every game where you scout, and make sure you know what you’re looking for and what you’re going to do when you find what you’re looking for.

First SCV Scout (2:00): Determine if he’s going hatch first and whether he went gas before or after pool. If he went gas before pool, don’t overreact but already be suspicious of 1-2 base baneling or roach all-in.

Second SCV Scout (5:15): Absolutely crucial to scout hatch first here to look for a roach warren or baneling nest. They won’t have speed done, so you can usually get in the main and see tech structures and how much gas has been mined.

Hellion/Marine Pressure/Scout (5:30/5:45): This little push gives you exactly the information you need. He’s either:

Going to push – Minimal spine crawlers, more unit heavy with big ling speedling count or roaches. roaches come out or big ling. More than 4 roaches = VERY likely he’s going to roach/ling. You’ll need to keep your hellion alive to actively scout if he moves out and prepare by bunkering. You will counter-attack when you feel safe, probably later than the usual 8 minutes. Another indication of incoming roach/ling timing attack: zerglings he has roaches AND zergling speed.
Going to macro – Queens and spines are well-positioned, perhaps an evo chamber is helping narrow the travel paths in expansion. You won’t need to build a bunker and you’ll punish him with a big 8minute push.

Viking (6:30/7:00): This viking is mainly used to pick off overlords, but it’s a good idea to fly it over the zerg main in the process – you need to see his lair timing and if he’s going some sort of roach/ling/baneling style or if he’s just teching lair and adding gas (muta or infestor). Also watch for 2 evo chambers and nothing else – this is a sign of a mass-ling style. Also fly over his 3rd location at the 8-8:30 minute mark. Do not execute the push against a player who doesn’t take a 3rd and has BOTH a roach warren and a baneling nest – be defensive against that style with bunkers and tanks.

Marine/Tank/Banshee (8:00) You know if he has a 3rd base, and that dictates how you proceed…

If he has a 3rd then go directly for his natural, don’t slow push – he’s spent a lot of money on a 3rd hatch and you can get right into a close location at the edge of his creep before sieging up. Continue to reinforce.

If he doesn’t have a 3rd, you can still pressure but you need to push slower and consider transitioning earlier because he may be teching to fast mutas and when they’re out, you need stim and turrets.
Keep in mind you have the option to send your SCVs with this push to serve as an all-in, which isn't a terrible decision if the player doesn't have a baneling nest or multiple spine-crawlers.

I usually recommend transitioning into the marine/tank/medivac from here on out because you can do another push at the 13 minute mark with 7+ tanks and tons of +1 stim marines and medivacs – and take your 3rd in the meantime. You can also do a drop before the push or use “elevator” tactics to make the push stronger. (Siege up on low-ground then drop some units on high ground and siege there).


Step 3: Improve Your Execution

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Remember that the most important thing to do while executing these pushes is to keep up with your MACRO by multitasking. Do things like build additional depots before you engage, because you can keep your screen looking at your army when building units, but depots require you to go back to your base. For learning purposes, it’s more effective to run your 5minute push into 6 spine crawlers and keep consistent timings and macro than it is to kill a queen but lose production time by getting supply blocked.

5Minute Push: As soon as your 5 marines are out, it’s time to move out. (Keep in mind, since you scout at 5:15 with your SCV, you can opt NOT to move out with your marines if you suspect a large early attack from Zerg.) When your hellion comes out, use it to clear the xel naga and then bring it to your marines. This push is PRIMARILY to scout – but you will be surprised some games you can kill an overlord, some lings, a constructing spine crawler, a few drones, and if you’re really luck, a queen!

8Minute Push: When the first banshee comes out, it’s time to push. Lead with the banshee to get vision for your army, and start lightly pressuring the zerg main or natural with the banshee while your tanks/marines get in position. Basically, you want to get the tank sieged up at the edge of the creep and start “leap-frogging” closer and keeping the marines spread out in front of the tanks to minimize the effectiveness of ling/baneling and tank friendly fire. If he runs in with banelings, you can run marines behind the tanks. Use your air units to get vision for maximum tank range and abuse your banshee’s high dps against queens, spines, and units.

13Minute Push:
At this stage in the game, mutas, baneling speed, infestors, etc. are all possible so it’s more important than ever not to get caught with tanks unsieged. Use your air units to get you vision of your army path or (even better) use a drop to re-position his units while you advance your marine/tank army. Again, elevator tactics, marine splitting, and leap frogging are all at your disposal. If he attacks you with a lot of banelings, stim your marines and run behind the tanks to absorb the banelings.


Transitions

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One of the greatest aspects of this build is its versatility - you can really do anything after you start your expansion because you have access to all of terran's tech. I usually recommend standard marine/tank/medivac, but there are many other transitions:
St_Rainbow Mech Style - Rainbow puts an interesting spin on the 1/1/1 to provide maximum pressure while keeping ahead in macro and tech. He skips his 2nd gas and tanks, and instead rallies marines/banshees/hellions to the zerg front and constantly pressures with the 1/1/1. By skipping gas and tanks he's able to start his expansion at 6:30 instead of 8:00. After his expansion, he puts down 2 factories and an armory and starts massing hellions for a while, and eventually swaps buildings around, uses his starport to make a reactor, and transitions into MASS hellion/thor. Eventually, he adds a 3rd base and gets to a total of 5 factors producing tanks/thors/hellions until maxed. He keeps constant upgrades on his armory to reach 2-2 by the time of his push, at which point he basically A-moves a giant mech army.
Here is an example of the Rainbow opening/transition http://drop.sc/68978 (Thanks RamonMcGrady for finding this replay)


I appreciate your time and hope you found this guide helpful,
- Tang

Courtesy of www.TangStarcraft.com
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MasterShake13
Profile Joined October 2011
United States4 Posts
November 24 2011 01:10 GMT
#2
Looks like an effective build, I would have to play against it to see how i would best like to stop it. Looks like some nice pressure though coming from a zerg player.
Joey172
Profile Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
November 24 2011 01:15 GMT
#3
wow this is a really nice post. i like the structured nature of each "push" phase and what to look for and how to react appropriately according to what you see. i think this way of practicing really does help all aspects of your game, even for a macro-oriented player like myself (i.e. fast expoing), especially since in my case i don't scout very well - i find i can scout much easier with these earlier pushes and react accordingly.

god post tang, nice contribution to help us novice terran players out!
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
November 24 2011 01:17 GMT
#4
The fundamentals behind this is like the other thread called.... Accelerated learning for Terrans, which is having good micro/training units etc while looking away from your base, but yours is more focused towards Zerg.

Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
Szubie
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom294 Posts
November 24 2011 01:21 GMT
#5
Excellent guide, I love the very precise timings for every push, as well as for scouting. Seems an interesting strategy, will try it out.
IMMvp, Maru
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
November 24 2011 01:21 GMT
#6
On November 24 2011 10:17 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
The fundamentals behind this is like the other thread called.... Accelerated learning for Terrans, which is having good micro/training units etc while looking away from your base, but yours is more focused towards Zerg.


I intend to do other guides more focused on TvT and TvP when time is available.
Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com
Alexbeav
Profile Joined August 2010
Greece56 Posts
November 24 2011 02:14 GMT
#7
Thanks for this ! Waiting for a replay/stream
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
November 24 2011 02:19 GMT
#8
Thanks for this guide, Tang. I've been doing MVP's double reactor hellion play for the same reason: it taxes multitasking while hitting strong timings and keeping the terran in control of the game flow. It's so tempting to just kite mysoul hellions like a boss instead of macroing, and just getting through the first 10 game minutes with good scv production has been challenging. It's interesting how much just practicing the build without an opponent has improved my play.
forevernerdy
Profile Joined October 2011
England31 Posts
November 24 2011 15:29 GMT
#9
For the longest time I've been trying to do the "standard" marine/tank/medivac pushes against zerg. I've had varying degrees of success, but I want to win all the time! lol this aggressive style makes sense, I'll try it out a few times in ladder and let you know how it goes. Thanks for the detailed post ^_^
Peanut Butter Jelly Time
forevernerdy
Profile Joined October 2011
England31 Posts
November 24 2011 15:43 GMT
#10
quick question...what do you do if a player does like a 1base baneling bust or an aggressive two base style?
Peanut Butter Jelly Time
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
November 24 2011 15:52 GMT
#11
On November 25 2011 00:43 forevernerdy wrote:
quick question...what do you do if a player does like a 1base baneling bust or an aggressive two base style?

Or if they roach rush into FE as that 5 marine 1 hellion push will just not cut it...
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
SolidSMD
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium408 Posts
November 24 2011 15:54 GMT
#12
I started out as a disbeliever, but i actually approve of your guide tang, they're definitely getting a lot better.
THIS:
What makes the build such an effective tool for improving at SC2 is the fact that you’re constantly looking away from your base while building units. Whether or not you currently have the mechanics to optimally execute this style, if you follow the steps in this guide you are guaranteed to develop the solid fundamentals you need to reach higher ranks as terran.


This is so true! Aggressive styles that require a lot of micro are really good to improve with any race.
Keep up the good work.
Working on Starbow!
Skesis Bau
Profile Joined July 2011
Italy2 Posts
November 24 2011 16:09 GMT
#13
On November 25 2011 00:52 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 00:43 forevernerdy wrote:
quick question...what do you do if a player does like a 1base baneling bust or an aggressive two base style?

Or if they roach rush into FE as that 5 marine 1 hellion push will just not cut it...

You will scout it with scv or hellion i guess, and then prepare accordingly?
You need a bunker if is 1 base roach rush,
or get fast tank if is FE into roach pressure (the tank will finish as the roaches approach your base)

nice guide. that 8 minutes push looks scary!
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
November 24 2011 16:16 GMT
#14
On November 25 2011 01:09 Skesis Bau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 00:52 iAmJeffReY wrote:
On November 25 2011 00:43 forevernerdy wrote:
quick question...what do you do if a player does like a 1base baneling bust or an aggressive two base style?

Or if they roach rush into FE as that 5 marine 1 hellion push will just not cut it...

You will scout it with scv or hellion i guess, and then prepare accordingly?
You need a bunker if is 1 base roach rush,
or get fast tank if is FE into roach pressure (the tank will finish as the roaches approach your base)

nice guide. that 8 minutes push looks scary!

No, the roach rush where the warren is put down after the expo, and the 2 sets of lings are out to clear the scouts. Then they block ramp with queen or lings, and get a spine or two and you either waste a scan, or play in the dark.

It's the roach ling attack that ALWAYS gets my ass... But if it hits late enough, you will have unsiege tanks there.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Dartmoose
Profile Joined January 2011
United States11 Posts
November 24 2011 17:17 GMT
#15
i would like to see a replay/vod of this, if you can provide one.
Br3ezy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States720 Posts
November 24 2011 17:49 GMT
#16
i thought you played zerg
Check out my guide to mechanics http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319876
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
November 24 2011 18:09 GMT
#17
A good roach/ling push will get to your base at 7:15 typically. You should be able to determine if zerg is planning to be aggressive with your hellion/ling push - at which point you pull back and bunker up (You can afford to make 2-3 bunkers) Since you're going tank/banshee, you should actually hold this fairly well as long as you're on the ball with your SCV repair.

In terms of the 1base baneling bust, you should have alarm bells in your head when you see the 14gas14pool, and respond with 2-3 bunkers once again. In short, don't try to be greedy and try to hold with 0-1 bunkers if zerg is attacking you because the more units you keep alive, the more options you have to be aggressive.
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boredrex
Profile Joined November 2010
United States137 Posts
November 25 2011 15:24 GMT
#18
Here's a question - for the 13 minute push, obviously, it would be ideal if you could keep your intial force alive to help with the push, but what if you can't? does the 13 minute timing rely on you keeping your guys alive?
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 17:48:57
November 25 2011 17:48 GMT
#19
On November 26 2011 00:24 boredrex wrote:
Here's a question - for the 13 minute push, obviously, it would be ideal if you could keep your intial force alive to help with the push, but what if you can't? does the 13 minute timing rely on you keeping your guys alive?

This will largely depend on how much damage you do. In general, that first 8minute push is guaranteed to do quite a bit of damage - and it HAS to, because you're not expanding until the 8minute mark and that's a late expansion by TvZ standards. By all means, you can turn it into a macro game and go for a fairly fast 3rd and use your tanks and marines defensively, I just prefer to attack again at the 13minute mark so that zerg isn't allowed free-reign to macro up mutas like a beast.
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sexdemon
Profile Joined November 2011
7 Posts
November 25 2011 17:58 GMT
#20
Very good. I say make a Protoss version because it feels Protoss lacking..

and I have a very aggressive protoss style similar to this, macro and timing pushes, but it focuses more on harassment than anything else(warp prism) to help you shoot out an expansion.
Fuck off ;D
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