EPTThe Starcraft 2 forums are very busy places, and there are great posts from experienced pros that get too easily buried and ignored/forgotten. I've decided to start collecting all the pro posts I come across and showcase them in a single thread once a week.
I don't post everything they say; I try to stick with the most interesting things that are still related to SC2. If there's something great a pro has said that you think should be part of this thread, PM me or post it here and I'll try to add it to the OP.
Again, please note that this isn't for the purpose of arguing with pros or stirring up controversy. This whole idea comes from wanting to know people with better perspectives have to say. I want to draw attention to their posts so we can give their opinions more respect, not less.
9/16 edition: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266015
EDIT: Added SaSe
SaSe:
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SaSe on the state of Protoss:
On September 21 2011 17:22 SaSe wrote:
It's a sad day for protoss. Today naniwa showed how to play protoss in a perfect way with solid builds. Killing 12 queens, 20 overlords with 4 fenix and 1 voidray just to die 2 minutes later. How is it possible blizzard? How did the game turn out this way?
Second game it was over when naniwa didn't spot the mutas but in some amazing way he held it off. Playing the best starcraft I have ever seen he even got his forth up. Best control that has ever been showed was used to force the first attack back. He crushed it. Second attack was just too much, blizzard had taken another victim. It is time you guys open your eyes and listen to players. I have spent one and a half month here now and many of the top players fistpump when they see they play a toss at the ladder. Just because the game seems balanced in rest of the world it is far from the truth. You could probably send any top200 player here to europe and he would consistantly win weeklys. Korea is the only place you can consider when balancing the game if you want it to be balanced on the highest level.
Good job patching the game. But patching was the only thing you did good since all the changes was bad and wrong. You guys solved brood war, you solved wc3, you can solve sc2 aswell. The NP change was the worst ever. Now you remove even more micro from the game. It was a skill to lift/target infestors with colo and it was a skill to be able to NP without dying. Now range is shorter so it will be more luck for the spell to use. The right change who everyone says is to make units move when fungled with a reduced movement speed. Damage wasn't the problem before and it wont be now aswell. In my honest opinion have a emergancy meeting asap and have the top players in korea give them their opinion on the game. You will see how far away you are from what should have been done. The truth is out there!
Would also be nice to get a point of view from blizzard how they think toss should play in certain matchups because obviously none of us can do it. They must have some ideas they don't share with us since they keep making the game worse and worse for us. One base mother ship hello?
As the events of today happen, sign me up for The Sad Zealot Fan Club! Take care everyone ^.^
It's a sad day for protoss. Today naniwa showed how to play protoss in a perfect way with solid builds. Killing 12 queens, 20 overlords with 4 fenix and 1 voidray just to die 2 minutes later. How is it possible blizzard? How did the game turn out this way?
Second game it was over when naniwa didn't spot the mutas but in some amazing way he held it off. Playing the best starcraft I have ever seen he even got his forth up. Best control that has ever been showed was used to force the first attack back. He crushed it. Second attack was just too much, blizzard had taken another victim. It is time you guys open your eyes and listen to players. I have spent one and a half month here now and many of the top players fistpump when they see they play a toss at the ladder. Just because the game seems balanced in rest of the world it is far from the truth. You could probably send any top200 player here to europe and he would consistantly win weeklys. Korea is the only place you can consider when balancing the game if you want it to be balanced on the highest level.
Good job patching the game. But patching was the only thing you did good since all the changes was bad and wrong. You guys solved brood war, you solved wc3, you can solve sc2 aswell. The NP change was the worst ever. Now you remove even more micro from the game. It was a skill to lift/target infestors with colo and it was a skill to be able to NP without dying. Now range is shorter so it will be more luck for the spell to use. The right change who everyone says is to make units move when fungled with a reduced movement speed. Damage wasn't the problem before and it wont be now aswell. In my honest opinion have a emergancy meeting asap and have the top players in korea give them their opinion on the game. You will see how far away you are from what should have been done. The truth is out there!
Would also be nice to get a point of view from blizzard how they think toss should play in certain matchups because obviously none of us can do it. They must have some ideas they don't share with us since they keep making the game worse and worse for us. One base mother ship hello?
As the events of today happen, sign me up for The Sad Zealot Fan Club! Take care everyone ^.^
merZ:
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On his high APM:
On September 12 2011 22:12 meRz wrote:
-_- I've never claimed im proud of it. There's more to speed/multitasking than raw APM. It's just how I play. Whoever claims me > sjow is stupid anyways and I've honestly never seen anyone make that claim as of yet. So tired of getting bullshit for my APM when I've never once bragged/claimed it's good. I welcome this patch with open arms, hopefully it'll reduce the amounts of posts like these.
EDIT: Also because you are faster than your opponent doesn't necessarily mean you're better than him. You can be faster than your opponent and still lose, as long as his decision making and game sense is better, speed is not that important (as long as you don't sit around at like 10 apm) When speed really matters is when both players are of equal skill when it comes to decisionmaking/gamesense. Because then you need other variables to seperate them.
-_- I've never claimed im proud of it. There's more to speed/multitasking than raw APM. It's just how I play. Whoever claims me > sjow is stupid anyways and I've honestly never seen anyone make that claim as of yet. So tired of getting bullshit for my APM when I've never once bragged/claimed it's good. I welcome this patch with open arms, hopefully it'll reduce the amounts of posts like these.
EDIT: Also because you are faster than your opponent doesn't necessarily mean you're better than him. You can be faster than your opponent and still lose, as long as his decision making and game sense is better, speed is not that important (as long as you don't sit around at like 10 apm) When speed really matters is when both players are of equal skill when it comes to decisionmaking/gamesense. Because then you need other variables to seperate them.
On the Stephano controversy:
On September 20 2011 03:22 meRz wrote:
No that's not that. If he doesn't want to play for them he shouldn't have signed a contract to begin with. I'm 100% on coLs side on this one. If you ever want e-sport taken seriously, shit like this can't be allowed. There's no freaking point of having contracts to begin with if we allow things like this to happen.
No that's not that. If he doesn't want to play for them he shouldn't have signed a contract to begin with. I'm 100% on coLs side on this one. If you ever want e-sport taken seriously, shit like this can't be allowed. There's no freaking point of having contracts to begin with if we allow things like this to happen.
More on the Stephano controvsery:
On September 20 2011 04:06 meRz wrote:
This is kinda the dilemma with e-sports now though. I can only think of rare occassions, if any, where it'd actually be worth sueing a player for an e-sport organsiation. But on the other hand, if you never set down the foot and show the community that this is not tolerated, what stops contracts from being utterly pointless from the beginning? In the end you're left with teams who can't be sure they have their players left next week, which is going to do nothing but kill one team after another.
Point being, teams need to make a stand and can't let stuff like this slip away IMO. As long as it's not too costly I'd love to see legal action being taken, or at least attempted. Might even consider taking legal action even if it hurts economically or eventually more players might feel inclined to just spit on their current contracts and just go to whoever bids the highest this week.
This is kinda the dilemma with e-sports now though. I can only think of rare occassions, if any, where it'd actually be worth sueing a player for an e-sport organsiation. But on the other hand, if you never set down the foot and show the community that this is not tolerated, what stops contracts from being utterly pointless from the beginning? In the end you're left with teams who can't be sure they have their players left next week, which is going to do nothing but kill one team after another.
Point being, teams need to make a stand and can't let stuff like this slip away IMO. As long as it's not too costly I'd love to see legal action being taken, or at least attempted. Might even consider taking legal action even if it hurts economically or eventually more players might feel inclined to just spit on their current contracts and just go to whoever bids the highest this week.
On Hellion nerf, and bio versus mech in TvT:
On September 20 2011 20:26 meRz wrote:
"Bio whores" :< I just find Biomech a lot more fun and intense to play, it also rewards mechanics more imo and that plays to my strenghts. BFH was fucking ridiculous and I'm so glad they are nerfing it, they were simple too cost effective and I don't know how anyone could deny that.
Mech play rewards players with good decision making/patience/game sense though so I guess it's all about how you like to play the game, what I didn't like was that bio became such a bad option in the end. Bio to me is also including tanks, pure bio was never really in my taste either. At least bio feels like a more valid option to mech now which is great, I think the mech-oriented play in TvT made it a lot more about coinflipping the right BO and whoever could do the most damage with his hellions won.
"Bio whores" :< I just find Biomech a lot more fun and intense to play, it also rewards mechanics more imo and that plays to my strenghts. BFH was fucking ridiculous and I'm so glad they are nerfing it, they were simple too cost effective and I don't know how anyone could deny that.
Mech play rewards players with good decision making/patience/game sense though so I guess it's all about how you like to play the game, what I didn't like was that bio became such a bad option in the end. Bio to me is also including tanks, pure bio was never really in my taste either. At least bio feels like a more valid option to mech now which is great, I think the mech-oriented play in TvT made it a lot more about coinflipping the right BO and whoever could do the most damage with his hellions won.
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On Stephano controversy:
On September 20 2011 03:34 Naniwa wrote:
funny that people even discuss whether its right or wrong by stephano, he broke the contract to get more money from millenium. its that simple ; )
funny that people even discuss whether its right or wrong by stephano, he broke the contract to get more money from millenium. its that simple ; )
Sad Zealot fan club:
On September 21 2011 21:00 Naniwa wrote:
sign me up .
sign me up .
On joining coL:
On September 22 2011 19:25 Naniwa wrote:
its quite cute to read everything written here, i really enjoy the support im getting and i listen to the concerns people think there are. MVP is one of the teams that made it to the GSTL playoffs which should prove that they are a team with many good ppl. and especially DRG. It is true that i have been unmotivated a bit which has shown in my results because of protoss insane downfall the last couple of weeks / months. But with a new patch and new possibilitys and especially with many other protoss players here to talk to about the game im sure my motivation will rise through the roof. I am much better now than when i placed high in homestory cup etc, I just need to play alot more and adjust perfectly to their style here to be more consistent and win more games, Also balance affects quite a lot atm i think we can clearly say that protoss is by far the worst race at the moment.
its quite cute to read everything written here, i really enjoy the support im getting and i listen to the concerns people think there are. MVP is one of the teams that made it to the GSTL playoffs which should prove that they are a team with many good ppl. and especially DRG. It is true that i have been unmotivated a bit which has shown in my results because of protoss insane downfall the last couple of weeks / months. But with a new patch and new possibilitys and especially with many other protoss players here to talk to about the game im sure my motivation will rise through the roof. I am much better now than when i placed high in homestory cup etc, I just need to play alot more and adjust perfectly to their style here to be more consistent and win more games, Also balance affects quite a lot atm i think we can clearly say that protoss is by far the worst race at the moment.
Clarifying Protoss Code A successes:
On September 23 2011 15:37 Naniwa wrote:
fruitdealer is bad superstar is bad JYP is good twilight is ok Check cheesed twice. thats all.
fruitdealer is bad superstar is bad JYP is good twilight is ok Check cheesed twice. thats all.
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On Stephano controversy:
On September 20 2011 03:34 mTw|NarutO wrote:
I get what you are saying. I think both coL and Mil want eSports to rise so I'm not sure what exactly the right action is. Make eSports more serious, more professional and takes it to the court OR just quit it and don't waste eSports money on something like that.
I will quit the discussion here as it will not lead to anything. We both understand each others point of view, but I think we might have different opinions about it^^!
I get what you are saying. I think both coL and Mil want eSports to rise so I'm not sure what exactly the right action is. Make eSports more serious, more professional and takes it to the court OR just quit it and don't waste eSports money on something like that.
I will quit the discussion here as it will not lead to anything. We both understand each others point of view, but I think we might have different opinions about it^^!
On PvGoody:
On September 19 2011 02:57 mTw|NarutO wrote:
DTs don't force unsiege and don't kill as many buildings as quick.. he usually sends blue flame hellions against warp prism.. + turrets.
DTs don't force unsiege and don't kill as many buildings as quick.. he usually sends blue flame hellions against warp prism.. + turrets.
On Nestea vs. MMA:
On September 21 2011 19:22 mTw|NarutO wrote:
NesTea has no superior mechanics. MMA actually already won the game and decided to randomly push without siege and lose his completely won game. Had actually nothing to do with mechanics.
NesTea has no superior mechanics. MMA actually already won the game and decided to randomly push without siege and lose his completely won game. Had actually nothing to do with mechanics.
On 1-1-1:
On September 21 2011 21:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:
I strongly disagree. In Broodwar there was Protoss Bulldog against Terran fast expansion. It was 3 gates + a robotics for shuttle to drop zealots on the high ground. It was INSANELY hard to defend and very basic to execute for a good player.
Ofcourse I agree with you, that the 1-1-1 or any variation of the build is 'easy' but not as easy to execute as a lot of people might think. Ofcourse its still easier than the defence (far easier I'd even say).
The thing is, that there is NOTHING TO NERF. Marines are not overpowered in itself, neither are tanks, medivacs or banshees. The combination of all those things make it very hard for Protoss. Barracks build time got nerfed and immortal range got buffed, I think this will lead to a more solid defence which could help out a lot, we will see.
But "people like me" would still play and work on the game instead of wasting time complaining.
I strongly disagree. In Broodwar there was Protoss Bulldog against Terran fast expansion. It was 3 gates + a robotics for shuttle to drop zealots on the high ground. It was INSANELY hard to defend and very basic to execute for a good player.
Ofcourse I agree with you, that the 1-1-1 or any variation of the build is 'easy' but not as easy to execute as a lot of people might think. Ofcourse its still easier than the defence (far easier I'd even say).
The thing is, that there is NOTHING TO NERF. Marines are not overpowered in itself, neither are tanks, medivacs or banshees. The combination of all those things make it very hard for Protoss. Barracks build time got nerfed and immortal range got buffed, I think this will lead to a more solid defence which could help out a lot, we will see.
But "people like me" would still play and work on the game instead of wasting time complaining.
APM changes:
On September 22 2011 14:29 mTw|NarutO wrote:
I went from 250+ to about 100 I guess. I didn't keep track of it too much, but I will have a look into it. When needed current 'apm' is still >280 but I really don't care anyways. I care a lot more about how smooth the game itself works for me.
Do I get out of my game, thrown off easily or do I keep my game, macro and multitasking up.
I went from 250+ to about 100 I guess. I didn't keep track of it too much, but I will have a look into it. When needed current 'apm' is still >280 but I really don't care anyways. I care a lot more about how smooth the game itself works for me.
Do I get out of my game, thrown off easily or do I keep my game, macro and multitasking up.
On TLPD winrates:
On September 22 2011 15:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:
ZvP from the statistics looks much more broken than PvT with Zerg winning 59% while Terran 'only' wins 53%. Those 53% are within the variation of winning percentages that Blizzard accepts so for them there's no nerf needed.
Actually I don't know where or when, but I think Blizzard made a statement that as long as a match up is within 50-54 or 55% winrate they won't change it as it is totally possible and reasonable that the match up is not 50/50.
I agree that some adjustments have to be made (I don't know if the immortal change will be 'enough' to beat 1-1-1) but you have to be careful about it. TvZ looks very good right now and I think the game is on the right way.
We still have to keep in mind that the games changes monthly or weekly with builds and strategies, but as long as a 1-1-1 allin is as powerful it might develop slower since there's no need to try out other builds.
ZvP from the statistics looks much more broken than PvT with Zerg winning 59% while Terran 'only' wins 53%. Those 53% are within the variation of winning percentages that Blizzard accepts so for them there's no nerf needed.
Actually I don't know where or when, but I think Blizzard made a statement that as long as a match up is within 50-54 or 55% winrate they won't change it as it is totally possible and reasonable that the match up is not 50/50.
I agree that some adjustments have to be made (I don't know if the immortal change will be 'enough' to beat 1-1-1) but you have to be careful about it. TvZ looks very good right now and I think the game is on the right way.
We still have to keep in mind that the games changes monthly or weekly with builds and strategies, but as long as a 1-1-1 allin is as powerful it might develop slower since there's no need to try out other builds.
On cheese/solid play:
On September 22 2011 15:46 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Cheese requires just as much skill as a long macrogame. Don't get me wrong, I do really hate cheese and would love to play only macro games and I try to do so, but I have to admit that cheesing is not easy.
Ofcourse everyone can put a stupid cheese and try to win, but actually well thought out cheese with clever positioning of a proxy building or even hiding and faking stuff is really tricky. Its not an easy thing to do and requires a good read and grasp on the game.
That being said, yes, I do agree - you should be able to play a straight and solid game as well as a tricky / cheesy game to be less predictable.
Cheese requires just as much skill as a long macrogame. Don't get me wrong, I do really hate cheese and would love to play only macro games and I try to do so, but I have to admit that cheesing is not easy.
Ofcourse everyone can put a stupid cheese and try to win, but actually well thought out cheese with clever positioning of a proxy building or even hiding and faking stuff is really tricky. Its not an easy thing to do and requires a good read and grasp on the game.
That being said, yes, I do agree - you should be able to play a straight and solid game as well as a tricky / cheesy game to be less predictable.
On 11rax/15 orbital:
On September 22 2011 16:43 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Its not new, sorry :o! Happy and lots of other Terrans used it when going 'fake' bunkerrush into reactor hellion to have those initial 2 marines a bit earlier. Advantage is obvious - earlier marine, earlier orbital. Disadvantage is that you 'cut' scv production for roughly... lets say a few seconds which can be prevented by good scv splitting (aka 2 / closest mineral patch)
Its not new, sorry :o! Happy and lots of other Terrans used it when going 'fake' bunkerrush into reactor hellion to have those initial 2 marines a bit earlier. Advantage is obvious - earlier marine, earlier orbital. Disadvantage is that you 'cut' scv production for roughly... lets say a few seconds which can be prevented by good scv splitting (aka 2 / closest mineral patch)
On Tal’Darim change in 1.4:
On September 23 2011 14:17 mTw|NarutO wrote:
I realized it when I wanted to harass with a reaper. I still like the change.
I realized it when I wanted to harass with a reaper. I still like the change.
On new warp prism:
On September 23 2011 14:38 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Warp prism with speedupgrade is as hard to kill as the speedshuttle in broodwar now ^_-!
Warp prism with speedupgrade is as hard to kill as the speedshuttle in broodwar now ^_-!
On balance/design:
On September 23 2011 19:23 mTw|NarutO wrote:
It actually doesn't matter how strong one race is in some stages of the game. If Zerg can't reach lategame because of imbalance or disadvantages there's no point in not adjusting the game. Ofcourse you have to take into account the Korean players.
Ofcourse NesTea with his individual skill makes for good games, but most Zergs for example still suffer and die easily. You have to take a look into the proscene, but do not take a few examples out of there that are probably outstanding.
If both races have even chances of reaching all stages of the game you can begin adjusting the strength of different units and aspects which will lead to hopefully - just the lategame. As in nerf broodlords in damage output etc.
I understand what you mean I think, but I still don't think I agree with what you are saying. And I do also hate TvZ Lategame. :o! I can imagine on absolute highest level TvZ 25+ will lead in insanely close games, as Zerg is sick powerful, but Terran with good control and upgrades as well as bases can make good use of the ghost.
It actually doesn't matter how strong one race is in some stages of the game. If Zerg can't reach lategame because of imbalance or disadvantages there's no point in not adjusting the game. Ofcourse you have to take into account the Korean players.
Ofcourse NesTea with his individual skill makes for good games, but most Zergs for example still suffer and die easily. You have to take a look into the proscene, but do not take a few examples out of there that are probably outstanding.
If both races have even chances of reaching all stages of the game you can begin adjusting the strength of different units and aspects which will lead to hopefully - just the lategame. As in nerf broodlords in damage output etc.
I understand what you mean I think, but I still don't think I agree with what you are saying. And I do also hate TvZ Lategame. :o! I can imagine on absolute highest level TvZ 25+ will lead in insanely close games, as Zerg is sick powerful, but Terran with good control and upgrades as well as bases can make good use of the ghost.
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On Virus not paying him:
On September 21 2011 00:02 naama- wrote:
When I went to homestory cup #2 Virus said they had "booked and paid" a hotel but when I arrived there I found out that it was not paid :D It was nice to sleep on the floor of the room of Tod and Rotterdam when I had only 50e cash with me.
2-3 weeks after I left I said that I refuse to give the Intel hardwares back until I have received the salary that they owe me (it was already 1 month late, like every month) so the main manager raged and threatened me of Intel sueing me etc etc and said they will never pay it. I agreed to give the intel hardwares back when intel connected me via Email and sent an ups to get the stuff.
Every month they gave 20 different dates when salary is going to come :DDD "I go to bank tomorrow morning" "we send it on wednesday" "it comes in 5 days" "today bank close french holiday" .
When I joined virus I knew it would end pretty soon cos it was a horrible organisation, I just did it for the money. But it was pretty stupid since I basically lost all of my motivation to practice while I was in Virus but who cares its only life. I feel sorry for every player in Virus and even for some managers too, some of them were nice, dont get me wrong, e.g. shiba, illu, soonmaniac etc but the Main owner/main manager of the team was a scumbag.
When I went to homestory cup #2 Virus said they had "booked and paid" a hotel but when I arrived there I found out that it was not paid :D It was nice to sleep on the floor of the room of Tod and Rotterdam when I had only 50e cash with me.
2-3 weeks after I left I said that I refuse to give the Intel hardwares back until I have received the salary that they owe me (it was already 1 month late, like every month) so the main manager raged and threatened me of Intel sueing me etc etc and said they will never pay it. I agreed to give the intel hardwares back when intel connected me via Email and sent an ups to get the stuff.
Every month they gave 20 different dates when salary is going to come :DDD "I go to bank tomorrow morning" "we send it on wednesday" "it comes in 5 days" "today bank close french holiday" .
When I joined virus I knew it would end pretty soon cos it was a horrible organisation, I just did it for the money. But it was pretty stupid since I basically lost all of my motivation to practice while I was in Virus but who cares its only life. I feel sorry for every player in Virus and even for some managers too, some of them were nice, dont get me wrong, e.g. shiba, illu, soonmaniac etc but the Main owner/main manager of the team was a scumbag.
Satiini:
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On Virus:
On September 20 2011 22:09 Satiini wrote:
Virus was just simply a horrible team with an totally untrustworthy head manager, if you all just knew the things I do about the team. :D
Virus was just simply a horrible team with an totally untrustworthy head manager, if you all just knew the things I do about the team. :D
More on Virus:
On September 20 2011 22:26 Satiini wrote:
Everything naama said is valid, if I was going take a bet I would say that team will not last long, its only a matter of time.
Everything naama said is valid, if I was going take a bet I would say that team will not last long, its only a matter of time.
Strelok:
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On Virus owing money:
On September 20 2011 19:28 Strelok wrote:
Absolutely every team i left in like 3-4 years - owed me some money, from pretty small sum with mouz-es which i even didn't request from them to return to me up to pretty big sum from ESC which me and W-Ra tried to return during like 1 year but without any success. That's cybersport Naama, so you better forget about this stuff and just move forward.
Absolutely every team i left in like 3-4 years - owed me some money, from pretty small sum with mouz-es which i even didn't request from them to return to me up to pretty big sum from ESC which me and W-Ra tried to return during like 1 year but without any success. That's cybersport Naama, so you better forget about this stuff and just move forward.
Sheth:
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On the ESPORTS Drama Conspiracy:
On September 21 2011 02:33 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Very impressive. Good read!
Very impressive. Good read!
Update on the ESPORTS Drama Conspiracy:
On September 22 2011 08:40 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
"Stephano signed with Complexity (even though there are bigger/better teams) because he heard that they were going to pick up Naniwa"
... I need to warn Jinro
"Stephano signed with Complexity (even though there are bigger/better teams) because he heard that they were going to pick up Naniwa"
... I need to warn Jinro
Pokebunny:
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On the ESPORTS Drama Conspiracy:
On September 21 2011 04:51 Pokebunny wrote:
ROFL the last line is amazing.
ROFL the last line is amazing.
On the Stephano controversy:
On September 21 2011 06:14 Pokebunny wrote:
I signed a contract four months after my 15th birthday with my parents, and have never broken any contracts. I think age is ZERO excuse for ANY behavior; when you are in a professional environment and expected to act like a professional, you should do so.
I signed a contract four months after my 15th birthday with my parents, and have never broken any contracts. I think age is ZERO excuse for ANY behavior; when you are in a professional environment and expected to act like a professional, you should do so.
On deciding to be a progamer:
On September 17 2011 02:45 Pokebunny wrote:
Never limit your possibilities in life is my most important piece of advice, especially if you aren't 100% sure you can live off of progaming. Just do as well in school as you can while playing on the side, and you will know when you are at the level when you can consider taking a break from school for gaming / pursuing it as your career. Don't throw away ANY of your life until you KNOW you can make it.
Never limit your possibilities in life is my most important piece of advice, especially if you aren't 100% sure you can live off of progaming. Just do as well in school as you can while playing on the side, and you will know when you are at the level when you can consider taking a break from school for gaming / pursuing it as your career. Don't throw away ANY of your life until you KNOW you can make it.
On 1.4 hellion nerf:
On September 20 2011 08:34 Pokebunny wrote:
enjoy watching it all you want, but playing a matchup where more than half your games involve one player winning because they snuck a hellion drop past their opponent and instakilled 15 scvs got extremely stupid to play
enjoy watching it all you want, but playing a matchup where more than half your games involve one player winning because they snuck a hellion drop past their opponent and instakilled 15 scvs got extremely stupid to play
On rax build time change:
On September 20 2011 11:47 Pokebunny wrote:
Yeah. It's actually okay for me, cuz when I did my 11/12 2rax, my rax would finish a few seconds before 14th SCV, and I had to cut either scv or marine production for a couple seconds to make supply. Now it will all be fine :O
Yeah. It's actually okay for me, cuz when I did my 11/12 2rax, my rax would finish a few seconds before 14th SCV, and I had to cut either scv or marine production for a couple seconds to make supply. Now it will all be fine :O
On TvZ marine-only style:
On September 23 2011 23:13 Pokebunny wrote:
It's a fun style, but you are definitely overestimating it. A good zerg w/ turtle infestor play (or, honestly, mutas work too to stop drops...) will rarely lose to this. It really doesn't work well unless you can get an advantage with a timing push before he gets any mutas or infestors/bane speed finished. You can tell me it does all you want, but the fact is that you are wrong if you are playing someone good. I used to use this style allllll the time.
Making marauders makes it a bit more durable vs Infestor play though. Your claim that Infestor play loses straight up to drops is simply untrue - it does not take many infestors to turtle, he will only have problems if he tries to move out too much.
It's a fun style, but you are definitely overestimating it. A good zerg w/ turtle infestor play (or, honestly, mutas work too to stop drops...) will rarely lose to this. It really doesn't work well unless you can get an advantage with a timing push before he gets any mutas or infestors/bane speed finished. You can tell me it does all you want, but the fact is that you are wrong if you are playing someone good. I used to use this style allllll the time.
Making marauders makes it a bit more durable vs Infestor play though. Your claim that Infestor play loses straight up to drops is simply untrue - it does not take many infestors to turtle, he will only have problems if he tries to move out too much.
On 1-basing after 3 reaper rush:
On September 23 2011 23:16 Pokebunny wrote:
Don't do it.. it leads PERFECTLY into an expansion -> bio style. You have a lot of extra minerals but no gas because of the reapers, and can quickly get stim + combat shields with your two tech labs.
Just expo, add 2 rax / stim / combat shields and tech to medivac.
If you insist, you might as well just add 2 more rax and get stim for marine marauder allin, but that kinda sucks lol.
Don't do it.. it leads PERFECTLY into an expansion -> bio style. You have a lot of extra minerals but no gas because of the reapers, and can quickly get stim + combat shields with your two tech labs.
Just expo, add 2 rax / stim / combat shields and tech to medivac.
If you insist, you might as well just add 2 more rax and get stim for marine marauder allin, but that kinda sucks lol.
On 1.4 generally:
On September 23 2011 23:21 Pokebunny wrote:
I'm extremely happy with this patch and all these explanations. First patch where I actually felt like blizzard had a good idea of what they were trying to do.
I'm extremely happy with this patch and all these explanations. First patch where I actually felt like blizzard had a good idea of what they were trying to do.
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On Virus:
On September 21 2011 01:07 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Virus still owes me like 100 or 150€ for an invite tourney they held last year (which i won). i approached skyboot like 15-20 times on skype and he just ignored me after a while (at first i said he will look into it) so this is no surprise to me
Virus still owes me like 100 or 150€ for an invite tourney they held last year (which i won). i approached skyboot like 15-20 times on skype and he just ignored me after a while (at first i said he will look into it) so this is no surprise to me
On Stephano controversy:
On September 20 2011 18:14 DarKFoRcE wrote:
This is a good post. I think too many people bash on Stephano here, without knowing how it is as a player who has to decide/negotiate with teams...
This is a good post. I think too many people bash on Stephano here, without knowing how it is as a player who has to decide/negotiate with teams...
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On Virus winning:
On September 21 2011 22:33 dde wrote:
rofl ppl just whine hard about terran. Can u guys not see how virus won the build order by like really huge early game? He kept his lead entire game and attacked just before p got aoe.
rofl ppl just whine hard about terran. Can u guys not see how virus won the build order by like really huge early game? He kept his lead entire game and attacked just before p got aoe.
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On NASL lag:
On September 22 2011 12:39 Fenix wrote:
is impossible to play, I have a 2 or 3 seconds delay, do not expect good results in NASL, I'm sorry guys, GL all
is impossible to play, I have a 2 or 3 seconds delay, do not expect good results in NASL, I'm sorry guys, GL all
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On Tal'Darim change:
On September 23 2011 06:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Awesome, now blink allin might actually not be a free win vs 1 rax cc on this map.
Any zerg in this day and age who loses to a drop in that location is awful beyond belief. Sunkens can reach everything there even when you dont have mutas (and you should always have mutas unless you are going infestors... in which case you fungal everything thats stuck in a tiny little blob and throw down a couple of infested terran eggs).
Awesome, now blink allin might actually not be a free win vs 1 rax cc on this map.
Any zerg in this day and age who loses to a drop in that location is awful beyond belief. Sunkens can reach everything there even when you dont have mutas (and you should always have mutas unless you are going infestors... in which case you fungal everything thats stuck in a tiny little blob and throw down a couple of infested terran eggs).
On September 23 2011 06:11 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
FUFHISGHUIFHDGIUFHDGUIDFHIHDIGHFIDHGUIDHFGDFGFDASDAFSDF
And yes, I tested it myself, it works. Fucking joke.
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FUFHISGHUIFHDGIUFHDGUIDFHIHDIGHFIDHGUIDHFGDFGFDASDAFSDF
And yes, I tested it myself, it works. Fucking joke.
On September 23 2011 06:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I ll test it, that could be a nice counter.
I ll test it, that could be a nice counter.
On infin:
On September 22 2011 21:11 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Uh, he used to be really good when I played him a few months ago, has he gotten worse or something?
Uh, he used to be really good when I played him a few months ago, has he gotten worse or something?
On lastshadow's 200 game marathon:
On September 21 2011 07:32 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
In 12 hours of nonstop games Im pretty sure I played 50 games, and that was like no breaks....
200 games? Dont die plz.
In 12 hours of nonstop games Im pretty sure I played 50 games, and that was like no breaks....
200 games? Dont die plz.
On hellion nerf and bio versus mech in TvT:
On September 20 2011 18:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
They are all bio whores. Bio is even gayer anyway, 'oh no I didn't see the 5 dropships coming for my main, I guess I will have to base race or write GG now'.
Fucking stupid.
On marine/tank:
Marine-tank is bio to me =[
They are all bio whores. Bio is even gayer anyway, 'oh no I didn't see the 5 dropships coming for my main, I guess I will have to base race or write GG now'.
Fucking stupid.
On marine/tank:
Marine-tank is bio to me =[
On Hero:
On September 19 2011 16:01 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Pretty sure most protoss users hate zerg way way way more than terran. Dont get me wrong, they hate terran plenty, they just hate zerg even more.
Pretty sure most protoss users hate zerg way way way more than terran. Dont get me wrong, they hate terran plenty, they just hate zerg even more.
On September 19 2011 16:04 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
There's not a single mid-range thing about HerO, hes exceptional in everything except maybe nerves.
Anyway, getting dual sight as your 3rd map vs a zerg seems like a cruel joke.
There's not a single mid-range thing about HerO, hes exceptional in everything except maybe nerves.
Anyway, getting dual sight as your 3rd map vs a zerg seems like a cruel joke.
On speaking Korean:
On September 18 2011 08:10 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I am NOT fluent in Korean, dunno who put that there --;
I am NOT fluent in Korean, dunno who put that there --;
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On DRG/Lucifron prediction:
On September 19 2011 01:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Whaaaaaaaaat? Unless Lucifron had gotten extremely good without making any waves that reach me, which has not happened yet and would be very odd, then that tells me all I need to know about DRG playing a ZvT. You are focusing too much on Lucifron when my job isn't to evaluate Lucifron, it's to evaluate the matchup DRG vs Lucifron. Of course, part of that is evaluating Lucifron. But because DRG ZvT is such an extreme, I only need to ask myself, do I think it's probable that Lucifron is top 5 TvZ player in the world (including Koreans)? No? Then DRG gonna win ezpz (as he said in his own words).
Whaaaaaaaaat? Unless Lucifron had gotten extremely good without making any waves that reach me, which has not happened yet and would be very odd, then that tells me all I need to know about DRG playing a ZvT. You are focusing too much on Lucifron when my job isn't to evaluate Lucifron, it's to evaluate the matchup DRG vs Lucifron. Of course, part of that is evaluating Lucifron. But because DRG ZvT is such an extreme, I only need to ask myself, do I think it's probable that Lucifron is top 5 TvZ player in the world (including Koreans)? No? Then DRG gonna win ezpz (as he said in his own words).
Semantics of stacking/clipping fungals:
On September 20 2011 11:04 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
We've always said stacking (since storm in sc1), not clipping. The damage gets clipped but the spells stack. It's misleading to talk about fungal and clipping directly. If you stack fungals, you clip damage. If you chain fungals, you don't clip damage.
We've always said stacking (since storm in sc1), not clipping. The damage gets clipped but the spells stack. It's misleading to talk about fungal and clipping directly. If you stack fungals, you clip damage. If you chain fungals, you don't clip damage.
On reddit sending MKP to Orlando:
On September 21 2011 00:28 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I think this is an interesting topic because it's proof that there's money in the community that wants to get out to make the industry better. There's a bit of failure on the business side of things to properly get things rolling. Fans' money and attention could be used more efficiently to make a better product for them to enjoy and to put money/benefits in the pockets of people who deserve it (like MKP). As it is, fans have to resort to deciding for themselves and giving the money directly haha. Which is awesome, it really shows the passion and support of our community, but hopefully the industry can find a way to use business and economics to automate this process efficiently.
I think this is an interesting topic because it's proof that there's money in the community that wants to get out to make the industry better. There's a bit of failure on the business side of things to properly get things rolling. Fans' money and attention could be used more efficiently to make a better product for them to enjoy and to put money/benefits in the pockets of people who deserve it (like MKP). As it is, fans have to resort to deciding for themselves and giving the money directly haha. Which is awesome, it really shows the passion and support of our community, but hopefully the industry can find a way to use business and economics to automate this process efficiently.
A series of burns:
On September 21 2011 13:33 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
yeah it'd be even funnier if there was some web site where thousands of people criticize players they'd never beat. that'd be a fucking laugh riot. but im sure smart guys like you wouldnt post there
yeah it'd be even funnier if there was some web site where thousands of people criticize players they'd never beat. that'd be a fucking laugh riot. but im sure smart guys like you wouldnt post there
On Blizzard’s balance stats:
On September 23 2011 02:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I'm kind of interested why Blizzard wants us to know this. As far as I know, there's no pressure on them to release these numbers. No one is waiting on them. And no one in the community is going to use them for anything. Blizzard simply wants us to know them... why?
I'm kind of interested why Blizzard wants us to know this. As far as I know, there's no pressure on them to release these numbers. No one is waiting on them. And no one in the community is going to use them for anything. Blizzard simply wants us to know them... why?
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Defending EG:
On September 23 2011 19:00 iNcontroL wrote:
@Drowsy: you said it best when you stated you don't know anything about progaming / bw. You don't. A nice house and the fact we own a tv and non PC gaming consoles doesn't mean we don't put in 10 hour days each day... we do.
Progaming teams watch movies on a regular basis and play other games as well (korean teams that is). It's called being a human. Gets old explaining this over and over to a bunch of people that think they know half of what it takes to commit to being a progamer.
@chokke: Huk is code S. Puma slumping? By what standard? His 5th place finish at his first MLG? boohoo. EG took credit for what other teams did? How? Where do you see us taking that credit?
I know you are a troll (posted several times in here, same kinda bs) but please, at least be semi correct with it.
@Drowsy: you said it best when you stated you don't know anything about progaming / bw. You don't. A nice house and the fact we own a tv and non PC gaming consoles doesn't mean we don't put in 10 hour days each day... we do.
Progaming teams watch movies on a regular basis and play other games as well (korean teams that is). It's called being a human. Gets old explaining this over and over to a bunch of people that think they know half of what it takes to commit to being a progamer.
@chokke: Huk is code S. Puma slumping? By what standard? His 5th place finish at his first MLG? boohoo. EG took credit for what other teams did? How? Where do you see us taking that credit?
I know you are a troll (posted several times in here, same kinda bs) but please, at least be semi correct with it.
