[M] (2) Neo Korhal Brawl

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The_Templar

your Country52798 Posts

September 10 2011 12:44 GMT

2/12 update!
REALLY old post:

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Old post:
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10/9 update!

Changes:
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-The naturals are now the same size (the top was slightly bigger)
-Aesthetic changes!
-LoS blockers at one of the entrances to the third base. This was done to further encourage expanding to the 4th base, as there was very little 4-base play when I tested it extensively.
-Middle has more water! The new water is pathable.

New version:
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Previous versions:

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9/23 update!
Korhal Brawl v2.1:
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Changes:
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Meh, not much...
-Main ramp changed so that it can be walled normally.
-More doodads.
-Slight retexturing
-Natural expo choke decreased from 11 squares to 9
-Water!

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9/17 update!
Korhal Brawl v2.0:
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As always, I'm looking for honest, constructive feedback. Please leave your two cents!
Changes from 1.0:
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-Old ridge above third moved.
-Some unpathable structure added, making the third easier to hold. The structure is not pathable. (unless I messed up...)
-Rocks on third moved to gold.
-Much less open.
-Watchtower split into two and moved to thirds.
-Corner expansions are slightly bigger.
-Fixed an issue that a mineral patch on the blue 4th overlapped with a geyser.
-The Natural expansion is bigger.
-Added a hole near the gold bases to make it less open there.
-Doodads added!

I also pm'd Barrin to ask him to change the thread title to [M](2)Korhal Brawl.

Older versions of the map:
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Old post:
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EDIT: This map looks nothing like a winding city. I need a name change, so please take a look at the following poll:
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Poll: What should I change the name to?

Korhal Brawl (6)

67%

Blue Paradise (2)

22%

Metropolis Ridge (1)

11%

City Boa (0)

0%

Other (Specify Below) (0)

0%

Keep the name the same. (0)

0%

9 total votes

Your vote: What should I change the name to?

(Vote): Blue Paradise
(Vote): Korhal Brawl
(Vote): City Boa
(Vote): Metropolis Ridge
(Vote): Other (Specify Below)
(Vote): Keep the name the same.

(2)Winding City:

Cool Info:
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Naturals are 10 squares wide.
You can either expand clockwise and take the third blocked by rocks -> high ground 4th --> High ground 5th or expand counterclockwise and risk the gold -->counterclockwise corner base and then take your blocked base.
There's a ridge above the blocked third that allows you to position units there to guard your third more easily.
You can wall off your main with 2 barracks/gateways.
more?

BASE:
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10 blue bases and 2 gold bases.
All blue bases have 8 mineral fields and 2 geysers.
Both gold bases have 6 gold mineral fields and 2 geysers.

Textures:
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Only Korhal (Do you see where I'm going with this? See the next spoiler)

Mr. Templar, exactly what are you planning with this map?
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Well, it's very simple. I'm going to submit it into MotM 10, as it is somewhat blizzardy in its main-nat layout and satisfies all the requirements.

Hey! Where's the analyzer?
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I don't have it... I need a new computer first, then I'll edit this with analyzer

Where can I play this awesome-looking map?
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It's published on NA.

UPDATE 9/16: Most, if not all changes have been addressed. The mains are larger, the fourth bases have been fixed (mineral issue), and the middle is less open.
Mods, please change the thread title to [M](2)Korhal Brawl.
The map:
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10/28ish update!

Toyed with the water, eventually removed it.
Some more doodads.
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Ok, I mainly just wanted to bump this, plus the deadline for the TL map contest is coming up, so...

Ok, I completely changed this map because I could. ^^
Less circle syndrome, islands, more accessable middle!
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Changelog: Everything? But primarily:
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-Added islands
-Opened up paths into the middle to make it more accessable
-Added islands
-Created a backdoor path into the third
-Removed the golds
-Moved 4ths further up
-Added another base between 4th and 5th
-Made watchtowers less defensive.
-Natural choke width reduced to 9 squares
-Water :D
-Tiny other aesthetic changes.
-Map made bigger.

spaZzNx-`

Hong Kong1221 Posts

September 10 2011 12:49 GMT

Not offence but isn't the middle a BIT too open? :S

The_Templar

your Country52798 Posts

September 10 2011 12:51 GMT

On September 10 2011 21:49 spaZzNx-` wrote:
Not offence but isn't the middle a BIT too open? :S

That was a concern I had... would it be ok if I added some highground in the center?

lefix

Germany1082 Posts

September 10 2011 13:26 GMT

i just wanted to say happy birthday

The_Templar

your Country52798 Posts

September 10 2011 13:48 GMT

On September 10 2011 22:26 lefix wrote:
i just wanted to say happy birthday

It's not my birthday....

Tatari

United States1179 Posts

September 10 2011 14:33 GMT

Uh... sadly, this isn't the image I had in mind about a winding city... This is kinda makes me think of a mall with a wide open parking lot. :/

How short is it base to base? This almost looks as short as Steppes of War.

EatThePath

United States3943 Posts

September 10 2011 16:15 GMT

I would give a little more space at the 3 and 9 bases behind the minerals so it's not so hard to chase out drops and air harass. The open center isn't that bad, it's similar to Shattered Temple. Just include a couple small obstacles somewhere to help break up the space.

Your only big problem is that the main is way too small. Maybe shove the nat over a bit to expand the main to about 30CCs. 30-35 seems good for a map like this.

Also I don't understand why there are rocks on the protected 3rd. Why not just... not have rocks? Or if anything, put them on the gold.

The_Templar

your Country52798 Posts

September 10 2011 16:44 GMT

Think Shattered temple close air.
And yeah, I'm changing the name soon. I was really tired when I made the map.

The rocks are there because this is supposed to be blizzard-map-like :D
I know the mains are too small. So, I think I'll put some extra space behind the current mineral line and rotate the mineral line and move it a bit.
And I always have trouble with the middle, but I'll develop it.
Going to add a name change poll to OP.
Edit: done

NewSunshine

United States5938 Posts

September 10 2011 16:51 GMT

As general feedback, and I used to do this too, your resource lines on the left and right expansions are way too close to the edge of the terrain, with no room behind the geysers. As a rule of thumb, use the building grid(ctrl+shift+H) and see if you can fit a spawning pool in 1 or 2 places behind the mineral lines, and at least 1 supply depot between the geyser and the wall.

The_Templar

your Country52798 Posts

September 10 2011 19:34 GMT

#10

On September 11 2011 01:51 MisfortuneS Ghost wrote:
As general feedback, and I used to do this too, your resource lines on the left and right expansions are way too close to the edge of the terrain, with no room behind the geysers. As a rule of thumb, use the building grid(ctrl+shift+H) and see if you can fit a spawning pool in 1 or 2 places behind the mineral lines, and at least 1 supply depot between the geyser and the wall.

I'm well aware of what to do (See other maps of my creation) about that. It's just a matter of space, which I'll be fixing.

FlaShFTW

United States10627 Posts

September 11 2011 00:12 GMT

#11

this might be in one of those descriptions that you listed, but can tanks reach the nexus//hatch//cc fro m the ridges in the middle to the 3rd?

The_Templar

your Country52798 Posts

September 11 2011 03:05 GMT

#12

On September 11 2011 09:12 FlaShFTW wrote:
this might be in one of those descriptions that you listed, but can tanks reach the nexus//hatch//cc fro m the ridges in the middle to the 3rd?

*facepalm* yes. I somehow manage to do that with literally every map I ever create.

The_Templar

your Country52798 Posts

September 17 2011 02:34 GMT

#13

Bump: Update.

IronManSC

United States2119 Posts

September 17 2011 06:04 GMT

#14

This map is heavily favored toward zerg - not because of it's openness, but because zerg can EASILY grab the gold base as a 3rd expansion while protoss and terran have to turtle on 2-base for a short time. The only way for a protoss or terran player to win on a map like this (with this setup) is to win in the early game. As of right now, this map favors zerg macro by a mile, so I would put the rocks at the gold and open up the blue 3rd.

SidianTheBard

United States2475 Posts

September 17 2011 06:49 GMT

#15

My thoughts, check out the picture:

The_Templar

your Country52798 Posts

September 17 2011 12:13 GMT

#16

@IronManSC: Thank you for your feedback. I'm on it, as well as making the blocked thirds not seigable for zerg. The rocks will also be moved to the gold.
@SidianTheBard: Could you elaborate a bit on the changes to the corner expansions and the middle? I'm all for making the nats bigger, but I don't see why the fourth/fifth need to be melded (creating a 10 base map).

I have another change for the middle, as I can't do lower ground than what I already have in the middle without raising the entire map up an elevation level, and I'm not doing that because I'm lazy

The_Templar

your Country52798 Posts

September 17 2011 12:48 GMT

#17

Update!
Edit: I did not take up most of Sidian's ideas because they didn't seem necessary. If he can explain why they are important/mine are bad then I probably will change them to what he suggests.