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Jaedong should be one of the bonjwas

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Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 08:37:49
May 28 2011 08:21 GMT
#1
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It's my opinion that 'The Tyrant' (Z)Jaedong deserves to be considered one of the bonjwas and in a lengthy article I use argumentation, statistics and context to make my case.

The three major criteria I consider:
-Accomplishments
-Domination through excellence
-Historical context

Some of the sub-criteria discussed:
-The significance of JvZ
-Jaedong as an all time clutch player
-Jaedong's ELO peaks vs. those of the bonjwas
-Jaedong's finals, titles and semi-final streaks vs. those of the bonjwas
-The (T)Flash factor
-The (Z)sAviOr factor - Domination without qualification
-The (T)NaDa factor - one part or the whole?
-The (T)iloveoov factor - the deceptive nature of perfection
-The (T)BoxeR factor - silver still shines in the light of greatness

The article can be read in full at SK Gaming.

Warning: Contains spoilers for semi-final #1 of the ABC Mart MSL!
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 08:24:34
May 28 2011 08:22 GMT
#2
He would have been considered one... if it wasn't for Flash. :3
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
May 28 2011 08:25 GMT
#3
On May 28 2011 17:22 moopie wrote:
He would have been considered one... if it wasn't for Flash. :3


considered?

if it weren't for flash he would most definitely be crowned Bonjwa.
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
May 28 2011 08:26 GMT
#4
JD is S+ class but not bonjwa.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 08:43:07
May 28 2011 08:31 GMT
#5
For me, Both JD and Flash are Bonjwas. JD qualified as a bonjwa during his peak and I don't know why he isn't crowned yet(especially when he won Nate MSL). They should've did before Flash came because it seems to be too late now.

Edit: I understand why his victory in Nate isn't that "legit" but I think(he won that game and) that he still deserves to be a bonjwa. Just my opinion.+ Show Spoiler +
It's just my opinion.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Frozenhelfire
Profile Joined May 2010
United States420 Posts
May 28 2011 08:33 GMT
#6
I consider both Flash and Jaedong bonjwas. Maybe people don't agree with my criteria, but I think that if there are two players that dominate the scene and only lose to each other reliably they can both be considered bonjwas. Would boxer not be a bonjwa if there were a clone of himself playing?
polar bears are fluffy
ff7legend
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States213 Posts
May 28 2011 08:33 GMT
#7
I may be ignorant... but what defines a Bonjwa? is it just a player who dominates against all odds? The best player at a give time or what?
I am the best ever... aka Truth, Judge, Legend
cybertopo
Profile Joined February 2010
Spain525 Posts
May 28 2011 08:33 GMT
#8
Seems like this article is: "oh, Jaedong is starting to fade away, poor thing, let's make him a bonjwa".

And he isn't.
Hurr Durr
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2227 Posts
May 28 2011 08:33 GMT
#9
There can only be one bonjwa at the time, and we already have Flash, so no.
Cpt.InSaNo
Profile Joined March 2008
United States81 Posts
May 28 2011 08:33 GMT
#10
I M O Jaedong is a Bonjwa and so is flash... idk jaedong was not considered one a long time ago...
StOrk[gm] 4 LiFe
Korinai
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada413 Posts
May 28 2011 08:34 GMT
#11
On May 28 2011 17:33 ff7legend wrote:
I may be ignorant... but what defines a Bonjwa? is it just a player who dominates against all odds? The best player at a give time or what?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa
"There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things that you love." - Day[9]
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
May 28 2011 08:35 GMT
#12
He is one, it's just his anti-fans that would tell you otherwise.
CakeOrI)eath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States327 Posts
May 28 2011 08:35 GMT
#13
Normally you see these threads when + Show Spoiler +
a player wins an MSL/OSL, not when they just got knocked out of one
Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
Schmexi
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden341 Posts
May 28 2011 08:38 GMT
#14
On May 28 2011 17:35 Nikon wrote:
He isn't one, it's just his fans that would tell you otherwise.


Correction.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 08:39:40
May 28 2011 08:38 GMT
#15
After Savior, it took Flash winning both finals at the same time to finally reach bonjwa status, on top of being the clearly most dominant player in PL. The stakes for becoming one have been impossibly high since Savior and it's frankly startling and, I think, an aberration that Flash became one as I don't think he'll come close to such feats again.

Jaedong will be the best player to not be a bonjwa, sad but true.


On May 28 2011 17:31 NicksonReyes wrote:
For me, Both JD and Flash are Bonjwas. JD qualified as a bonjwa during his peak and I don't know why he isn't crowned yet(especially when he won Nate MSL). They should've did before Flash came because it seems to be too late now.


Do you honestly not get why his Nate MSL win wasn't the final crowning achievement?
Remember Violet.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4723 Posts
May 28 2011 08:38 GMT
#16
Bonjwa is just a fucking word, which 95% of all people here are not even able to use correctly. The obsession with this word is just a complete mystery to me, I really don't know why it isn't enough to say "best player of 2008/2009" or whatever.

I don't lose any sleep over the fact that Flash is considered a Bonjwa and Jaedong isn't. There is just so little that seperates their greatness. Do you guys really feel better if one day some korean commentators are screaming in a high-pitched voice "He is bonjwa, he is bonjwa, Lee Jae Dong!!!" ?

I just don't get it.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
May 28 2011 08:39 GMT
#17
Flash is Bonjwa, but I don't know about JD.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
HuskyMUDKIPZ
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
228 Posts
May 28 2011 08:44 GMT
#18
I love how people comment "Jaedong is/isn't a bonjwa" without reading the damn article. Very well written and definitely a very logical way of showing that he should be considered a bonjwa.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4723 Posts
May 28 2011 08:48 GMT
#19
After my little rant before, nevertheless I have to say that this is a very beautiful article and you present a very good case. I love to read about all the awesome things Jaedong has done, I just have no interest in the label itself.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
cybertopo
Profile Joined February 2010
Spain525 Posts
May 28 2011 08:48 GMT
#20
When some people say that Jaedong is a bonjwa and other say Flash is (with their teams' logo in the signature), it is clear that none of them are, because no one has dominated the other for a lengthy period of time. Sorry guys.
Hurr Durr
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