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LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 01:08:43
March 29 2011 23:39 GMT
#1
For the first time ever the FBI has asked the public for help in breaking encrypted code. In 1999 the body of 41-year-old Ricky McCormick was found in a field, the only available clues were two encrypted notes stuffed into his pockets, it is believed the victim himself wrote the notes three days before the murder.

The victim had been writing secret encrypted notes to himself since he was a boy. Deciphering these notes could lead to the location of the crime.

Here's the first note:
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Here's the second note:
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At the moment there's no reward being offered by the FBI, but if you want to help out either post the solution here or send it directly to the FBI at:

FBI Laboratory
Cryptanalysis and Racketeering Records Unit
2501 Investigation Parkway
Quantico, VA 22135
Attn: Ricky McCormick Case

source:
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/march/cryptanalysis_032911

Feel free to discuss these two encrypted notes here, and if you think you've managed to decipher part of it that could be helpful too.

update: transcription of first note thx to kore:
Characters in red are the ones I'm not 100% sure of.
The "?" marks in red are the ones I have no idea what they are.

L01: (MNDMXNEMRSE.N.S.M.KNARE) (ALSM)
L02: TFRNENPtNSENPBSERCBRNSENPRSEINC
L03: PRSENMRSEDPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
L04: AL-PRPPITXLYPRIYNCBEMGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
L05: WLDRCBRNSENTSBNENTXE.CRSLE.CLTRSEWLDNCBE
L06: ALWCDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLSNEASNWLDNCBE
L07: (NOPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
L08: (TENETFRNENCBPTSENCBElNQ)
L09: (FLRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
L10: (CDNSEPQSEONSDE74NCBE)
L11: (PQtSEPRSEONREDE7SNCBE)
L12: (TFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSETOTEWCDNWLDNCBE)
L13: (194WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)

Transcription of second note thx to double122:
ALPNTE GLSE-SE ER+E
VLSEMTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
PNTRTRSEONPRSEWLDNCBE
NWLDXLRCMSPNEWLDSTSMEXL
DVLMT6TUNSE NCBEC

(MUNSAISTENMUNARSE)
KLSE-LRSTE-TRSE-TRSE-MKSEN-MRSE
(SAE6NSESENMBSE)

NMNRCBRNSEP+E2PTEWSRCBRNSE
26MLSE74SPRKSE29KENOSOLE173R7RSE
356LECLGSEUUNUTREDKRSEPSESHLE
6S1MTCSEHTLSENCUTCTRSNMRE
99.84.B2UNEPLSENCRSEAOLTSENSKSENRSE
NSREOUSEPUTSEWLDUCBE(3XORL)

DNMSENRSEIN2NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCRBNE
LSPNSENGSPSEMKSERBSENCBEAVXLR
HMCRENMRESCBE 1/2MUNDDLSE

D-W-M-YHIL XDRLX
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kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 00:28:52
March 29 2011 23:42 GMT
#2
Seems like a fun time killer, I'll see what I can do, but you know it could always just be a bunch of random letters to confuse anyone investigating lol

EDIT: I actually can't even make out what half the letters are because of the sloppy writing, anyone care to take some guesses?

+ Show Spoiler +


Characters in red are the ones I'm not 100% sure of.
The "?" marks in red are the ones I have no idea what they are.

L01: (MNDMXNEMRSE.N.S.M.KNARE) (ALSM)
L02: TFRNENPtNSENPBSERCBRNSENPRSEINC
L03: PRSENMRSEDPREHLDWLDNCBE(TFXLFTCXLNCBE)
L04: AL-PRPPITXLYPRIYNCBEMGKSEWCDRCBRNSEPRSE
L05: WLDRCBRNSENTSBNENTXE.CRSLE.CLTRSEWLDNCBE
L06: ALWCDNCBETSMELRSERLSEURGLSNEASNWLDNCBE
L07: (NOPFSENLSRENCBE)NTEGDDMNSENCURERCBRNE
L08: (TENETFRNENCBPTSENCBElNQ)
L09: (FLRSEPQSEONDE71NCBE)
L10: (CDNSEPQSEONSDE74NCBE)
L11: (PQtSEPRSEONREDE7SNCBE)
L12: (TFNQCMSPSOLEMRDELUSETOTEWCDNWLDNCBE)
L13: (194WLD'SNCBE)(TRFXL)

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Bigpet
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany533 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 23:48:13
March 29 2011 23:43 GMT
#3
this seems to be written in Latin characters only. So is anybody up for typing this and posting it here. That would make trying out algorithms easier. Like trying to find out the most common letter but I guess simple rotations are out of the question if the FBI has problems with it.

edit: and lest I forget Arabic numbers but I meant the Latin keyboard-layout, so whatever
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emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
March 29 2011 23:44 GMT
#4
It took 12 years for them to admit they needed help
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 23:45:54
March 29 2011 23:45 GMT
#5
I wonder if it's just nonsensical and has no meaning. It would be a good way for the murderer to throw off the investigation and make them spend time on something pointless.
storm8ring3r
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany227 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 23:46:00
March 29 2011 23:45 GMT
#6
if the FBI couldn't break this, I'm pretty sure this is pseudo code and the culprit is trolling us

EDIT: excellent post above mine
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Terrakin
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1440 Posts
March 29 2011 23:46 GMT
#7
im guessing the FBI is just looking for dumb luck at this point, there is probably tons of misdirection in this "code"
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MisterD
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1338 Posts
March 29 2011 23:47 GMT
#8
On March 30 2011 08:43 Bigpet wrote:
this seems to be written in latin characters only. So is anybody up for typing this and posting it here. That would make trying out algorithms easier. Like trying to find out the most common letter but I guess simple rotations are out of the question if the FBI has problems with it.



its not latin only, there's · dots in it. These can be "typed" as well though.
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Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
March 29 2011 23:48 GMT
#9
On March 30 2011 08:47 MisterD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 08:43 Bigpet wrote:
this seems to be written in latin characters only. So is anybody up for typing this and posting it here. That would make trying out algorithms easier. Like trying to find out the most common letter but I guess simple rotations are out of the question if the FBI has problems with it.



its not latin only, there's · dots in it. These can be "typed" as well though.


I haven't taken Latin, and have no clue what Latin characters look like, but that looks a lot like the English alphabet..
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TOCHMY
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden1692 Posts
March 29 2011 23:49 GMT
#10
On March 30 2011 08:45 Jonoman92 wrote:
I wonder if it's just nonsensical and has no meaning. It would be a good way for the murderer to throw off the investigation and make them spend time on something pointless.


this makes sense. If the FBI is asking the public, I'm pretty sure they have asked the "best code-breakers in the world"
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shabinka
Profile Joined October 2008
United States469 Posts
March 29 2011 23:49 GMT
#11
What if the killer actually just legit used a RNG, picked some strings of letters, and called it a day sending everyone on a wild goose chase?
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
March 29 2011 23:49 GMT
#12
The first encryption job of actually managing to read those letters in the first would be more than I could motivate myself to.
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Bigpet
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany533 Posts
March 29 2011 23:51 GMT
#13
On March 30 2011 08:48 Jaso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 08:47 MisterD wrote:
On March 30 2011 08:43 Bigpet wrote:
this seems to be written in latin characters only. So is anybody up for typing this and posting it here. That would make trying out algorithms easier. Like trying to find out the most common letter but I guess simple rotations are out of the question if the FBI has problems with it.



its not latin only, there's · dots in it. These can be "typed" as well though.


I haven't taken Latin, and have no clue what Latin characters look like, but that looks a lot like the English alphabet..


The written English language uses the Latin alphabet and the Arabic numerals. I didn't say American alphabet because you have no guarantee that the note isn't written in another language that uses the Latin alphabet which is pretty much every European language (besides Greek and other exceptions).
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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 23:59:16
March 29 2011 23:51 GMT
#14
On March 30 2011 08:45 Jonoman92 wrote:
I wonder if it's just nonsensical and has no meaning. It would be a good way for the murderer to throw off the investigation and make them spend time on something pointless.

Haven't read the article yet, but I assume the FBI could check the handwriting of the victim to see if it matched the note.

Edit: Here is the source article, I recommend using this instead of Yahoo version
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/march/cryptanalysis_032911/cryptanalysis_032911

It says he wrote encrytped notes since he was a kid, so unlikely to be something done by the seriel killer.

The more than 30 lines of coded material use a maddening variety of letters, numbers, dashes, and parentheses. McCormick was a high school dropout, but he was able to read and write and was said to be “street smart.” According to members of his family, McCormick had used such encrypted notes since he was a boy, but apparently no one in his family knows how to decipher the codes, and it’s unknown whether anyone besides McCormick could translate his secret language. Investigators believe the notes in McCormick’s pockets were written up to three days before his death.
Ygz
Profile Joined June 2010
England370 Posts
March 29 2011 23:52 GMT
#15
Fascinating. Whether it's an attempt at trolling or it holds some value, it will be interesting to see how this pans out now it's public.

It's quite a shame though that the images aren't a higher res, it's going to be a PITA to translate some of those characters.
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
March 29 2011 23:52 GMT
#16
On March 30 2011 08:48 Jaso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 08:47 MisterD wrote:
On March 30 2011 08:43 Bigpet wrote:
this seems to be written in latin characters only. So is anybody up for typing this and posting it here. That would make trying out algorithms easier. Like trying to find out the most common letter but I guess simple rotations are out of the question if the FBI has problems with it.



its not latin only, there's · dots in it. These can be "typed" as well though.


I haven't taken Latin, and have no clue what Latin characters look like, but that looks a lot like the English alphabet..


Uhh... English is Latin-based.
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LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 23:56:16
March 29 2011 23:55 GMT
#17
Apparently the killer didn't write the notes, the victim did. The victim was a high school dropout but he had been "coding" notes since he was a boy. It is believed these two notes were written three days before his death, and could lead to the location of his death and help solve the crime.
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/march/cryptanalysis_032911

edit: BlackMagister beat me to it
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Icx
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Belgium853 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 23:59:00
March 29 2011 23:56 GMT
#18
Well, if they are really desperate and cannot do it themselves, why not ask the public for help?
Were not talking about some state security issue, but just about the death of one person.

And in the case that it actually means something, there is bound to be one guy who is crazy with this stuff out there who can solve this.
Or just hope that a ton of people try this and someone stumbles onto it by accident.


The only thing that stands out to me is that the combination of the letters "SRE" keeps coming back, combined with one other letter, mostly P or T.
and if I actually keep glancing over it, a lot of it actually seems connected in some way with the letter E.
But that is the furthest i'll probably ever get with this :p
Almin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States583 Posts
March 29 2011 23:58 GMT
#19
On March 30 2011 08:49 TOCHMY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 08:45 Jonoman92 wrote:
I wonder if it's just nonsensical and has no meaning. It would be a good way for the murderer to throw off the investigation and make them spend time on something pointless.


this makes sense. If the FBI is asking the public, I'm pretty sure they have asked the "best code-breakers in the world"

Best code-breakers in the world that they KNOW of.

That's why they are asking the public now.
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
March 29 2011 23:59 GMT
#20
I'm suprised someone on TL hasn't given an answer within the first page yet.

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