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ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States437 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 08:45:21
March 12 2011 02:28 GMT
#1
First of all I would like to make this statement before creating this thread: I am in no way shape or form saying that these players are better or worse than me. I am simply making this thread because people of TL.net wanted some proof as to why I believe they are hacking. In this thread I will give you a in depth analysis as to why they are hacking, reasoning and game knowledge of 2v2 high level master league matches. I will let you decide for yourself whether or not they are hacking. I believe that they cheat, but people will have their own opinion, but as some of these replays will show that my suspicion can be backed up. Furthermore I would like some of you to get a better understanding of how myself and bandit play. It may look as if I am not really doing anything but I'm actually doing quite a bit, feeding and microing. This is the opening statement, as to not spew this thread with any bad manner, I am simply putting my point into perspective.

As mentioned before, iGware is not playing his 1v1 Ladder games, Sorcery ( Josh Price ) is playing on the account and conducting his cheese play. First assumption of some kind of cheating. Secondly PinkPrincess (HelpImDying from thebgh.com admin) is saying that he does not like to play for money, but I'm sorry I simply do not buy it. If you are top 5 in the world playing for money is a huge motivator especially with all the time you invest into the game. Second assumption of cheating. Finally, iGware backs down from a huge tournament stating that his car breaks down. The reality of this, is that it was simply a lie. Disqualification was at hand when Josh Price would show up to the LAN on David Zhu's account. There are three assumptions of cheating, the shit just does not add up. Now, for the replays.

Game 1: NamchiR vs iGware

Replay link: http://replayfu.com/r/MZKTDm

+ Show Spoiler +
First of all,at 7:10 notice the timing of blue's e-bay. I notice that the banshee is about half way done, but as soon as the cloak field starts to upgrade, he immediatly make an e-bay. Notice also at this point he still has not scouted the starport, an assumption like that is ridiculous. 8:10 notice how he afk's his banshee, but then as soon as the command center goes down he kills the scvs. Obviously he doesnt enter the terran's base because he can see a viking being made. He also goes raven that quick blindly? Please. He hasn't even scouted the starport yet. It's too much of an assumption with out scouting. 11:15, notice he micros the banshee, looks into the FoW and then opts to move that banshee to the back? LoL? 13:35 notice how he starts to set up for the attack, resetting rallies into his base, moving marines to the cliff that Namchir is about to attack, fishy? Of course it is. He's constantly setting up for attacks which he has no idea is about to come. Notice also how little he scouts, but why would you need to scout if you're hacking. I don't buy it, if you're top 10 in the ladder world wide, you're going to have better scouting tactics, like NamchiR constantly checking for expos. Yet iGware scouts nothing. 16 mins into to game he doesnt even see the fucking starport. 17:30, as little as he scouts already, watch how he control his dropship, he knows that hellion is there, there would have been no way for him to know what the way point of that hellion would be, so he opts to pull back at the exact time, to find out where it was going and get out of range effectively(OBVIOUSLY) Notice where he places the drop. You would think in TvT that would be a fucking awful place to drop with out scouting, it's a terran's mineral line, there normally would be turrets there, incase of banshee harass, yet he doesnt even fucking scan it to see if anything is there because if there were turrets there he would have been GG'd with that drop. 20:18, look @ how he looks into the fog of war for a second, then sends all those marines to expos. this is why he didn't notice the drop in the clouded area, he was busy hacking. LOL? He goes up the ramp to avoid the planetary, then blindly sends a certain amount of marines to the other expo? knowing that shit was being made into planetary.


Conclusion: iGware showed off not only his production tab hack, but also his map hack.

Game 2: haCkProTech / tehredbandit vs iGware / Sorcery

Replay link: http://replayfu.com/r/hgT6Th

+ Show Spoiler +
For starters @ 5:04 watch how igware starts to move out and looks into the fog of war, knowing that there are lings that would obliterate his army if he continues to move out. He starts to move out, looks into the fog of war, then moves back to his base knowing that all those reinforcements are coming so he can't save his ally. He waits for the stragglers to move into the Z base, giving himself a huge window to move out. LoL? 9:06 baneling nest goes down, probably looking @ the production tab. He opts to make that many bunkers @ his door @ that time, getting ready for the bane bust. 14:02, sorcery is microing the banshee, but he doesnt scout any of the tech structures so he has no reason to believe that baneling or anything else is coming out. 14:15, watch how he's attacking my base and pulls his marines to ramp RIGHT as the baneling are coming to the front door, he started moving them before he knew they were coming, yet he can prepare for them? lol.. 16:03 notice how he is sitting at his marine location waiting for those zerglings to come and attack. Notice how when lings are around his scvs he is always moving his marines and protecting his mineral line, even though the lings are obviously not going to his mineral line, but just in case! 18:17 mass baneling moves out, we kill the overlord in the mid, take a different path, so he has no idea it's coming, yet he can make bunkers @ that time, and set up for the attack? 18:34, right as the units get at the front of his base he puts all his units into the crack and set up as best he can for the massive bust, coincidence / timing? No. Hacks.


Conclusion: Production tab hack / Map hack. There is simply no way he can sit there and setup for everything @ the exact right time the entire game, especially since he is not using any scans. In this game there are a bunch of fishy moves that make no sense, with out constantly scouting the map and not knowing whats coming, yet he sets up for everything and executes all the moves perfectly. I don't buy it. You're decision, this is what I think.

Game 3: haCkProTech / tehredbandit vs iGware / Sorcery

Replay link: http://replayfu.com/r/4msXdj

I would like to start this explanation by saying that this is probably the most obvious out of all the replays that I have. Here we go:

+ Show Spoiler +
To star this game off, we have 10 pooled almost every game so it is safe to assume that we will be 10 pooling again, so his open is not hacking, it's just smart based on what we have been going. Also to make 3~4 bunkers incase of an early bane bust is a smart idea as well. However, as soon as the baneling nest goes down, watch the continuous mass of bunkers that are being produced. This is the first sign of hacking in this game, also notice that the zerg is going nothing but roaches, this is a complete and utter hard counter to our build this game. Notice how Sorcery has only one overlord hovering over our choke point, but that's it. They have no scouted our base @ all. Around 6:00 the baneling nest goes down, he continues to make bunkers, and pump roaches. Production tab hacking. We take a queen off the creep to kill that overlord in fear that he may scout the baneling nest, so now we have 6:56 they have literally not scouted anything on the map, so how can they know how to counter out build? Sac a fuckin lord bro, make it less obvious. 7:42 lings are coming in amass from purple, and the bunkers continue to be created, while roaches are beginning the mass. 8:23: 30 baneling morphs in, bunkers continue to make, as well as roaches to counter the massive pain they are about to feel. They have not scouted the map AT ALL THE ENTIRE GAME. 9:00 the baneling move out, they move their units in the perfect location to defend the attack.LoL? This is even before we get close to their base before they see whats coming. First attack is thwarted because of their perfect preparation even though they have no scouted the map at all, typical. Now after that first bust you would think, ok the two zergs know they are going mass bane ling so we will recreate our wall, that's a good assumption. However they have no scouted the map at all, so why are they not even afraid of anti air? They continue to hard counter baneling the whole time. 12:06, 30 more baneling morph in sorry 40! iGware sends out 4 scvs and look what he does as the baneling morph in. They jknow they don't have enough structures to counter 40 baneling so he sends out 4 scvs to create a huge wall, at that exact time? Coincidence? I think not. They haven't even scouted the map @ all, so they have no idea what kind of tech tree we have, but oh wait! they do, production tab hack, makes sense to me! Kid says muta, as we move out, obviously trying to cover up the fact they know what we're making? yep.

Conclusion: We could have probably won that game, but I rage quit when they built all those barracks at the exact time the baneling were morphing in, at that point I was just assuming we were at a disadvantage that's probably because I do not have any kind of hack on!!

At any rate, here are just some of the game that I played against them that really stick out, there are probably a lot more, when I was playing them not thinking that they cheat..


Conclusion overall: In these particular games, the only person who is obvious using cheats ( in my opinion ) is iGware. Going back to the fact that they swap account, based on the hotkeys it is save to assume that during each of these games, David Zhu is playing on Sorcery's account, and vice versa, as I do not think David Zhu is a hacker. Sorcery on the other hand is a full blown known hacker from DoTA so it would make a lot of sense that he would be cheating in starcraft 2.

If you think otherwise, that's fine. This is my perception and analysis of these games, and I think I'm pretty on point. But you can decide for yourself it's up to yoU!~!

- haCkProTech


EDIT: I'm adding this because I know there are people who will read the OP and jump to page 21 not reading anything else:


On March 12 2011 19:58 Sorcery wrote:
Hello,

This is Josh Price (Sorcery on sc2). After talking

with many of my friends, I wanted to be upfront with

the sc2 community that it was indeed me on iGware

playing the solo games that brought it to rank 1 NA.

And, yes I was using maphack in some of those games.

Sometime in February, David Zhu (iGware) approached me

with a maphack program and told me it would be fun to

use in sc2. We started to use maphack in some team

games. David agreed to use his account as the

maphacking one, and I had no problem with this because

I did not want to risk my own account being banned.

Just to reiterate, I have never hacked on Sorcery... the account is "pure" and clean of hack.

Then, David urged me to raise his 1v1 ladder stats as high as possible with the

maphack. So, once again, thinking it would be fun, I

used maphack on his account and soloed until it was at

the top ranks in the world and tried to win as fast as possible using various cheeses.

Although I have never hacked on my main account

(Sorcery), I know I should not have hacked on my

friend's account even if it was not my own. I got too

caught up in moment and played for him because he's my

friend. I should have resisted my friend's tempting

reasons for using the hack and played fairly. Despite

many of my friends trying to convince me to stop, it

took me this long to finally come forth and I am

sorry. From hereforth, I swear for whatever it still

means, that I will not hack again.


Sorry to all the people I lied to keep this a secret.

-Josh Price .

User was banned for this post.



EDIT:

Alright guys 1 day after he said he would stop cheating, he's at it again! Here's the proof!


tehredbanit / haCkProTech vs DxT / Sorcery

Replay Link: http://replayfu.com/r/5F0bGs


All right! So the game starts off pretty normal, Terran and Protoss block their wall, Sorcery doing some retarded ass shit with his cannon rush(who's knows what that's all about.)

So you will notice that the cannon rush is thwarted 5:46 the nydus network goes down. Dxt sends his marine back from the ramp, but he notices my nydus network on his production tab and or map hack, and then goes into a panic trying to kill that overlord, meanwhile sorcery is doing the same exact thing. AT THAT EXACT TIME (ROFL?)

7:14 17 bane lings morph in, and the protoss starts spamming sentries even though they haven't scouted the bane ling nest.

7:18 baneling move out, notice their path in which they are taking, and watch the sentries @ the same time. The baneling are walking toward the terran, so what does Sorcery do? BAFL he moves the sentries to DxT's base!

7:30 Baneling stop their movement, and then switch to the protoss door as we scout the front and notice that there are not ANY sentries there, but look what he does! HE HAS NO VISION OF THE FUCKING BANELING YET HE CAN SET UP FOR THE ATTACK AS THEY MOVE TO HIS FRONT DOOR!!!!

Conclusion: Production tab hacking / Map hacking.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
March 12 2011 02:30 GMT
#2
There's a thread for hackers. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151244
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
Vitamintv
Profile Joined November 2010
United States35 Posts
March 12 2011 02:34 GMT
#3
Interesting

User was warned for this post
ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
March 12 2011 02:35 GMT
#4
I asked him he said no. I believe him.

I also played a bunch of games, and it seemed more like he was doing luck-based builds rather than hacking (he would have countered some of my BOs pretty well, although there were definitely some suspicious moments, i.e making about 6 bunkers vs a bling bust without scouting anything...)

Either way I don't really care, just ladder
@ostojiy
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
March 12 2011 02:37 GMT
#5
On March 12 2011 11:35 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I asked him he said no. I believe him.

I also played a bunch of games, and it seemed more like he was doing luck-based builds rather than hacking (he would have countered some of my BOs pretty well, although there were definitely some suspicious moments, i.e making about 6 bunkers vs a bling bust without scouting anything...)

Either way I don't really care, just ladder


6 Bunkers vs unscouted Baneling bust?

Seriously, you believe him after that?
secret - never again
zSoloo
Profile Joined May 2010
50 Posts
March 12 2011 02:37 GMT
#6
Seems like if you ask someone if they are doing something wrong in this case hacking, the answer 100% of the time is going to be no...

never-the-less interesting replays.
ProtossPenny
Profile Joined December 2010
United States169 Posts
March 12 2011 02:40 GMT
#7
heh, imo he is a hacker, Blizz needs to ban him. This kinda shit hurts Esports.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
March 12 2011 02:41 GMT
#8
I've been pretty curious how iGware got so high on the 1v1 ladder (was #1 NA yesterday) so quickly, even though he seemed pretty good mechanically in 2v2 when we played him. I didn't get the sense of maphack back then, but maybe it's just the super early play that is typical of 2v2.

Interesting replays though, taking a look.

p.s. hi protech!
~aPs
Jerax
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada189 Posts
March 12 2011 02:43 GMT
#9
On March 12 2011 11:35 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I asked him he said no. I believe him.


Rofl.Well that settles it people! Op gave lots of info that shows this guy is clearly hacking.
MindRush
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania916 Posts
March 12 2011 02:45 GMT
#10
On March 12 2011 11:37 zSoloo wrote:
Seems like if you ask someone if they are doing something wrong in this case hacking, the answer 100% of the time is going to be no...

never-the-less interesting replays.


if he says he's honest, this means he is
he must be!
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Naslmaster
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4 Posts
March 12 2011 02:45 GMT
#11
--- Nuked ---
Vitamintv
Profile Joined November 2010
United States35 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 05:17:20
March 12 2011 02:46 GMT
#12
ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States437 Posts
March 12 2011 02:47 GMT
#13
Naslmaster, stay on topic.
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
March 12 2011 02:49 GMT
#14
Lan only legit way to play, unless you do cams of them playing or have a local judge

NASL with 100,000 dollar tournies.. no risk there.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
TommyLove
Profile Joined January 2011
United States24 Posts
March 12 2011 02:51 GMT
#15
mike is ez
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 04:07:46
March 12 2011 02:51 GMT
#16
On March 12 2011 11:45 Naslmaster wrote:
--- Nuked ---



Well done, that was lightning quick.

Re: OP, the replays are definitely interesting. I won't scream obvious hacks, but he didn't play like a typical top player, more like a diamond with extremely uncanny intuition.

Quote removed.


Join date Feb 10th... just prior to his meteoric rise to the top. Honestly who has the exact name and capitalizes it the exact same way on a hacking forum...

Of course it might not be HIM.

The plot thickens...
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
Looky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1608 Posts
March 12 2011 02:56 GMT
#17
why is blizzard so bad and creating anti hack. even iccup stopped most of it.
Bensio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom621 Posts
March 12 2011 02:57 GMT
#18
On March 12 2011 11:45 Naslmaster wrote:
--- Nuked ---


Thank god i copied that as a TL memory of old

On topic, ye the plot thinckens indeed, I really dont like what hacking does for the e-sports community, hopefully the guilty get banned, but thats not always the case :/
Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
March 12 2011 02:57 GMT
#19
I've watched yhe first replay and there is absolutely no sign of him hacking.
And you won that game ! whats wrong with you ?
your hidden expo was not discovered for nearly 10 minutes, he was surprise and out of postion on most of your drops.
I've watched the game from his point of view, and that was a standard game that he lost.... Why suspecting him of cheating ?
Ourk
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom298 Posts
March 12 2011 02:58 GMT
#20
well if he was hacking surely he whould been rdy for this hellion drop ? im talking about the 1v1
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