• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:05
CEST 17:05
KST 00:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent8Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues5LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments2Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris69
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy Production Quality - Maestros of the Game Vs RSL 2 Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 General Discussion BSL Polish World Championship 2025 20-21 September [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent The Korean Terminology Thread
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group A [IPSL] ISPL Season 1 Winter Qualis and Info! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Is there English video for group selection for ASL
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
Collective Intelligence: Tea…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1186 users

[M] (2) Frozen Sanctum

Forum Index > SC2 Maps & Custom Games
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
Deep_
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany19 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-05 19:24:27
February 08 2011 17:07 GMT
#1
[image loading]

Frozen Sanctum 1.9

Overview:

90 degree angle
[image loading]

40 degree angle
[image loading]

I tryed to create a ice map just with the textures which are allready in this game. A mixture out of white und blue Sand/ Dunes actually did the job pretty well. I also used some cloud and fog doodads to increase the cold atmosphere. It's not distracting ingame though. the map is also diagonal mirrored which seems to be not that common.

Impressions:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
The middle

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Falling debris

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Main

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
3rd

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Gold

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Ingame Main

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Ingame 4th cloud drifting over the cliff



Map Specifications:


  • Map size:186x176
  • Playable:144x136
  • melee map 1v1
  • Main bases on 9 and 12 o'clock
  • standart 12000 minerals and 5000 gas at each base
  • 1 gold expansion with 9000 minerals 5000 gas
  • 2 Xel'Naga watch towers covering the middle


Map analysis:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

[image loading]

[image loading]

[image loading]

[image loading]


Change log

+ Show Spoiler +
1.2:
  • added new 4th
  • removed rocks at the 5th
  • added rock at the gold

1.3:
  • incresed the space between both 3rd expansions
  • added some more details like falling snow, snow drifts and some doodads

1.4:
  • added some no flying zones in the north covert by doodads

1.5:
  • fixed the right side Natural Expansion

1.6:
  • added some more details

1.7:
  • Changed the 3rd again
  • added Niflheim Textures
  • some more details, Trees, falling debris in Cliffs, ice spikes on all minerallines
  • changed light


Download:

  • Download link
  • Download available on the EU-Server
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
February 08 2011 17:16 GMT
#2
Visually this is really really nice, I love snow

I don't like the expansion layout tho. If Zerg wants to take a third they expand towards their opponent, and the thirds are really close together.
That the fourth has Rocks is even worse, since Zerg can't take it as a third then. And in any case those Rocks are pointless and should be removed
Member of TPW mapmaking team/// twitter.com/Ragoo_ /// "goody represents border between explainable reason and supernatural" Cloud
dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
February 08 2011 17:25 GMT
#3
On February 09 2011 02:16 Ragoo wrote:
I don't like the expansion layout tho. If Zerg wants to take a third they expand towards their opponent, and the thirds are really close together.
That the fourth has Rocks is even worse, since Zerg can't take it as a third then. And in any case those Rocks are pointless and should be removed

This and there is so much space for air :/
TPW Member | My Maps @ TL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171486 | Search 'dezi' at EU
Deep_
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany19 Posts
February 08 2011 17:28 GMT
#4
On February 09 2011 02:16 Ragoo wrote:
Visually this is really really nice, I love snow

I don't like the expansion layout tho. If Zerg wants to take a third they expand towards their opponent, and the thirds are really close together.
That the fourth has Rocks is even worse, since Zerg can't take it as a third then. And in any case those Rocks are pointless and should be removed

Hmm good Point. I think i will remove the rocks at the 4th but adding one at the gold.
Moody
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States750 Posts
February 08 2011 17:28 GMT
#5
First off, the map looks incredible! Good job with textures and mirroring!

However, a few problems I see:
-3rd is way to way to easy for P and T to take, and there is no real good option for Z
-Xel'Naga Tower on an island? o.O
-The tight chokes and narrow attack paths don't allow for much flanking.
-Are the backs of the base, behind the mineral patch in vision of workers gathering? If so, boooo, if not, yay!

Suggestions:
Move Third to the area south of the natural, closer to the 4th.
Open up attack paths in center a bit.
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Where's the counter?"
Iamyournoob
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany595 Posts
February 08 2011 17:29 GMT
#6
Great look. I love it.

In terms of gameplay I want to stress what Ragoo said. Zergs don't want to expand towards an opponent, so they will probably have to take the fourht as a 3rd which sadly have rocks. I'd rather put the rocks to the gold. On a side note: Since the 3rd is easy to take Zergs will have a hard time denying the 3rd of their enemies which is crucial for them. I am also concerned about the size of the map. While the map itself is okay in terms of size, there is so much empty space around which means that air harassment is hard to scout since you can avoid getting scouted by taking huge detours to your opponents base.

Overall: Nice map which could use some little rearrangement of the expansions.
Deep_
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany19 Posts
February 08 2011 18:46 GMT
#7
I added an new 4th expansions, removed the rocks from the 5th expansions and added a rock at the gold.
dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
February 08 2011 18:50 GMT
#8
Can you make a top down pic with borders on? Because MOST of the decoration won't be visible ingame anyway (useless deco tbh).
TPW Member | My Maps @ TL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171486 | Search 'dezi' at EU
PiLoKo
Profile Joined January 2011
Mexico144 Posts
February 08 2011 19:00 GMT
#9
Third to Third is so close, maybe if you change the ramp so the third is the other one aside the nat?, that way you can also solve the problem that XNWT would create in battles, it will give a huge advantage to whoever got it.

There is too much air space behind the mains, make it smaller, the map looks incredibly great.
I like to troll in-game :)
Deep_
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany19 Posts
February 08 2011 19:04 GMT
#10
On February 09 2011 03:50 dezi wrote:
Can you make a top down pic with borders on? Because MOST of the decoration won't be visible ingame anyway (useless deco tbh).


I've added a pic with borders on and no doodads to the map analysis pictures.
smurfbizkit
Profile Joined September 2010
United States15 Posts
February 08 2011 19:15 GMT
#11
I'm not much help with map layout/gameplay comments...but visually I do have some initial comments;

1) Readability is low. It is dark and desaturated, making it a bit less easy to tell units apart (especially in mirror matchups). This can be ok, since say...readability isn't nearly as easy on Metalopolis as it is on Lost Temple. My concern is that you just went a bit too far with it. (although it could also be needed due to needing desaturate the terrain enough to seem like its white)

2) Map feels empty. You could use more details/doodads placed, especially ones that play up the arctic/cold feel. Obviously you don't want to impede gameplay, but you could always instead of just pure drop down to the abyss have it go down just 1 level and be impassable. Fill that with doodads/detail as much as you like.

3) Is there a sort of generic wind particlefx you could toss on the map? Doesn't one of the desert tilesets use one? One of those could help play up the cold feeling more.

4) Overall, the terrain is fairly monotone, always that snow type texture on ground. Why not break it up for some of the expansions and have it be exposed rock, maybe exposed rock with minor traces of snow on it?

Anyway, good work so far!
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
February 08 2011 19:25 GMT
#12
The broken turf or whatever that doodad is, very cool "icicles" in the cliff.

The island tower is pretty strong for tvz. Maybe give it an entrance with rocks? I don't think the expansionsare awful, but it is unfair to zerg right now. You might try tucking the close third further to the northwest, sort of underneath the mains. You might make some room by pulling the mains closer to the edges away from mid. Then that base is not directly on the path to the nat, and the distance between those bases gets a bit longer. I can draw it if you want.

I have to say, very well done on the ice theme. Coldest looking ice map yet.
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
NullCurrent
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden245 Posts
February 08 2011 19:59 GMT
#13
Love the ice on the cliff-edges!
I think you made a better ice/snow map than I did, so thumbs up!

But I can agree with others here saying it is a bit too plain. That is not to say that plain is bad, you probably want it to be somewhat minimalistic as snow covers everything, but some more eye-candy won't hurt.

Also, the look of the layout is also suffering a bit with the few cliffs you have. One thing which might liven it up a bit is to add cliffs which are unpathable (ie. with doodads and pathing blockers), this will lessen the feeling that you're playing on a block of ice which has been dropped in a cave.
Just plain cliffs might also work, but consider balance with drops, reapers, collosi etc.

An additional aesthetic change you can make use of is to use the height tool (not cliff) to make hills outside of the playable area (cliff level 0).

On February 09 2011 04:15 smurfbizkit wrote:
3) Is there a sort of generic wind particlefx you could toss on the map? Doesn't one of the desert tilesets use one? One of those could help play up the cold feeling more.

I'd recommend windy ash, it will look somewhat like falling snow.
The Planetary Workshop - TPW - Mapmaking Team
Deep_
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany19 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 02:07:57
February 09 2011 02:06 GMT
#14
On February 09 2011 04:59 NullCurrent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 04:15 smurfbizkit wrote:
3) Is there a sort of generic wind particlefx you could toss on the map? Doesn't one of the desert tilesets use one? One of those could help play up the cold feeling more.

I'd recommend windy ash, it will look somewhat like falling snow.

Thank you for the advices. I've added now both windy ash as falling snow and desert storm as snow drifts. Looks fantastic even though the windy ash has a light red glimmer to it.
I also changed the 3rd expansions. There should be now more space between both.
And i added some more doodads. All in all the map looks now even colder.
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
February 09 2011 02:16 GMT
#15
i like the bleak look of it and the ground edging as well, but i think it should have more variation to it on the edges. so have some areas with and some without, or add stuff to break up the repetition. also this looks to be a nightmare for computers - you might want to shrink the bounds a little so the doodads dont lag too much.
Deep_
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany19 Posts
February 23 2011 18:17 GMT
#16
I just realized the existens of the Niflheim Textures, so i added them to the Map. I also changed the light, added some more details like falling debris to the cliffs and ice spikes to the minerallines and the 3rd is now even closer to the main.
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
February 24 2011 06:22 GMT
#17
Good update. Can you post a picture of the old version for comparison? The weird shadows in multiple directions are kind of distracting, but I guess it's not overpowering. (Also.. bizarre lighting algorithm that gives multiple direction shadows..?)
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
Deep_
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany19 Posts
February 24 2011 17:57 GMT
#18
On February 24 2011 15:22 EatThePath wrote:
Good update. Can you post a picture of the old version for comparison? The weird shadows in multiple directions are kind of distracting, but I guess it's not overpowering. (Also.. bizarre lighting algorithm that gives multiple direction shadows..?)


Here are some pictures of v1.2 :
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]

[image loading]
[image loading]
[url=http://imgur.com/yRQIo][image loading]
[url=http://imgur.com/hx6e0][image loading]
[url=http://imgur.com/cSA04][image loading][/url]

V1.7 has nearly the Lightalgorithm of Zhakul'Das. There are no multiple directed shadows.
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
February 24 2011 18:23 GMT
#19
Thanks for the pics. The new version is definitely an improvement for base distances.

In the "impressions", for example, the last two, you can see what I'm talking about quite clearly. Why are there dark spots all over the ground? Maybe I'm just looking at it wrong.
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
Deep_
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany19 Posts
February 24 2011 19:14 GMT
#20
On February 25 2011 03:23 EatThePath wrote:
Thanks for the pics. The new version is definitely an improvement for base distances.

In the "impressions", for example, the last two, you can see what I'm talking about quite clearly. Why are there dark spots all over the ground? Maybe I'm just looking at it wrong.


can it be that you talking about the little "ice spikes" i added to the Minerallines and to the main spawn points
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 55m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 400
mouzHeroMarine 381
TKL 135
Creator 49
mcanning 3
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 10253
Flash 2338
Jaedong 1256
Mini 464
Light 401
Hyuk 301
sSak 242
hero 195
Soma 156
ggaemo 146
[ Show more ]
Snow 102
Pusan 95
Dewaltoss 70
Sharp 64
Sea.KH 57
soO 54
ToSsGirL 53
Hyun 50
Nal_rA 36
sorry 29
sas.Sziky 26
Free 23
Rock 20
JYJ20
scan(afreeca) 19
Hm[arnc] 13
Terrorterran 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Britney 0
Dota 2
Gorgc7201
qojqva3129
Dendi1503
XcaliburYe128
Counter-Strike
markeloff127
edward62
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor72
Other Games
singsing1748
hiko980
B2W.Neo818
crisheroes441
Lowko348
Hui .253
FrodaN223
QueenE116
ToD116
ArmadaUGS93
SortOf50
Mew2King17
KnowMe3
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1012
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 50
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV625
League of Legends
• Nemesis2216
• Jankos1135
• TFBlade470
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
55m
Afreeca Starleague
18h 55m
BeSt vs Alone
Queen vs Bisu
PiGosaur Monday
1d 8h
OSC
2 days
OSC
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Cure vs SHIN
Reynor vs Zoun
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
Online Event
3 days
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
[ Show More ]
BSL Team Wars
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
5 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21: BSL Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.